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Home » Ammo and Munitions » PGM Cannon Round Debuts in Afghanistan

PGM Cannon Round Debuts in Afghanistan

Here’s a cool heads up that the Army has fired its first Excalibur artillery round in Afghanistan.

It was just a test, but it’s an impor­tant one since artillery actu­ally plays a pretty big role in fire sup­port dur­ing com­bat ops in Afghanistan. And with the recent rash of friendly fire inci­dents result­ing from off-​​target CAS, it’s always a good thing to add one more precision-​​guided muni­tion to the tool kit, I think.

Here’s part of the story we’re run­ning on Military​.com:

KUNAR PROVINCE, Afghanistan — Soldiers fired the first 155mm GPS-​​guided Excalibur artillery round in Afghanistan Feb. 25.

The GPS-​​guided Excalibur round was given the proper grid coor­di­nate to seek out and destroy a tar­get using the Enhanced Portable Inductive Artillery Fuse Setter by plac­ing the sys­tem on the tip of the round and send­ing a dig­i­tal mes­sage con­tain­ing the coor­di­nate for the round to find.

“The Excalibur round trav­els far­ther and is designed to hit tar­gets that con­ven­tional ammo does not always hit,” said Army Staff Sgt. Darius Scott of C Battery, 3rd Battalion, 321st Field Artillery Regiment.

The Excalibur was fired using the M-​​777A2 155mm how­itzer. The M-​​777 is designed to be a dig­i­tally pro­grammed weapon and is about 9,800 pounds lighter than the more com­monly used M-​​198 Howitzer and is report­edly more accurate.

Read the rest of the story here, and check out my ear­lier entry on the first use of Excalibur rounds in Iraq back in July.

– Christian

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  1. Allen Thomson says:
    March 10, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    This is cool stuff and it’s good that the US mil­i­tary is get­ting it.
    But we really need to think about when, five or ten years down the road, pre­ci­sion muni­tions (I like to worry about mor­tar rounds) become wide– spread. The tech­nol­ogy is impres­sive but not magic, and I’d bet sev­eral coun­tries and com­pa­nies around the world are work­ing on their own ver­sions of it as we speak.
    What are we going to do when the bad guys can put the first and sub­se­quent rounds within ten meters of their target?

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  2. TrustButVerify says:
    March 10, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    So long as they’re using GPS guid­ance the US can remain a step ahead, since the DoD owns the coarse and fine sig­nals. In that sce­nario I can see the fine sig­nal being avail­able only to those with the right key­fill, as was the case back in the day.

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  3. Christian says:
    March 10, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    You’re right Allen…but what I’m more wor­ried about is what will hap­pen when bad guys get NVGs and body armor. Owning the night and hav­ing some bal­lis­tic pro­tec­tion have been a big advan­tage to US forces in recent con­flicts. What hap­pens when the enemy can see our IR reflec­tors and can endure a cou­ple hits from a 5.56? Ain’t gonna be pretty, that’s for sure.

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  4. ohwilleke says:
    March 10, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Why is it news that a weapon that works in U.S. based tests also works in tests in Afghanistan? Are the laws of physics dif­fer­ent there? Is Afghan air GPS proof?
    I agree that a first use in anger in Afghanistan would be news­wor­thy, but this story is not.

    Reply
  5. mkspence says:
    March 10, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    ohwilleke, did it ever occur to you that there are other peo­ple in the world who quite sim­ply do not share your opinion?

    Reply
  6. freefallingbomb says:
    March 11, 2008 at 12:51 am

    Precision-​​guided ammu­ni­tions aren’t ter­mi­nally guided ammu­ni­tions. The lat­ter ones are bet­ter, they’re the future, because they’re the only ones that allow you to hit mobile tar­gets, even very fast mov­ing tar­gets. Precision-​​guided Artillery ammu­ni­tion ( NOT : Mortar ammu­ni­tion!) can eas­ily be avoided if you walk always on the lee side of a steep moun­tain or hill, scat­ter, never stop walk­ing (it takes ~ 40 sec­onds for an Artillery round to fly to its max­i­mum range, and before that you’re already out­side its warhead’s destruc­tion radius again…) and zig-​​zag every 30 sec­onds (once pro­grammed and fly­ing, “Excalibur” rounds can’t choose dif­fer­ent impact points, unlike for exam­ple air-​​to-​​air-​​missiles with mid-​​flight guid­ance), this way you can approach that U.S. how­itzer even inside its direct fire range!
    As I expected, nobody tells you any of that in any U.S. American arti­cles about this 39.000-dollars-a-piece “Excalibur” round, good only for shoot­ing at houses. It’s just another “F-​​22 Raptor” to me…

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  7. Jimbo Jones says:
    March 11, 2008 at 4:51 am

    2 outa 10 for that trolling effort freefalling­bomb, must ty harder.

    Reply
  8. foobar says:
    March 11, 2008 at 5:41 am

    Are you say­ing it’s not true Jimbo Jones?

    Reply
  9. Deus Ex says:
    March 11, 2008 at 6:59 am

    Freefallingbomb, you bring up points that, if true, astound and anger me (just like the @%@#%@ F22 pro­gram).
    Can you link your sources? If the inter­net taught me any­thing, it’s never take any­thing said at face value. Always look a bit deeper.
    And 39,000 for a SINGLE ROUND OF 155 is out­right stu­pid­ity. Sounds like you could get a guided GPS bomb for the same price.

    Reply
  10. Pharsalus says:
    March 11, 2008 at 7:19 am

    “For Raytheon

    Reply
  11. Pharsalus says:
    March 11, 2008 at 7:25 am

    Deus Ex,
    with an air­craft bomb you have to fac­tor in fuel costs etc. The plane can drop the bomb, but it still has to get there. Dragging around an artillery piece is a lot cheaper. Still, phew, I could buy *two* new motor­bikes for a sin­gle shell. DAMN!
    I’d like a Triumph Street Triple and a Honda CBR1100XX, please.

    Reply
  12. Chris says:
    March 11, 2008 at 8:38 am

    @ Pharsalus: I’ll trade you two rounds for a Desmosedici, three if you take it away from Tom Cruise.
    Regarding Cost: As with any tech­nol­ogy prices will drop as more effi­cient meth­ods are found to pro­duce these shells. A year from now I may have to come up with four shells to trade Pharsalus.
    Regarding Accuracy: This is the first gen­er­a­tion of pre­ci­sion (GPS) artillery. There’s noth­ing to say the Army’s not work­ing on a laser guided round or that the round can’t make posi­tion adjust­ments any­time in flight.
    Why does it seems peo­ple on this blog are so resis­tant to new mil­i­tary tech?

    Reply
  13. Pharsalus says:
    March 11, 2008 at 8:56 am

    @ Chris
    Concerning the Desmosedici: you’ve got your­self a deal, mis­ter.
    Ahem, laser guid­ance? That’d be handy for indi­rect fire ^_​^
    Maybe, oh wait, we could fix a laser on a small UAV and keep it on sta­tion to guide the round? No, that wouldn’t work. Maybe a sol­dier hid­ing in the bushes with a great big laser des­ig­na­tor? We could, if all else fails, equip lem­mings with a lit­tle trans­mit­ter and train them to invade soon-​​to-​​be-​​levelled build­ings. The shells could then home in on the poor crit­ter and go *poof*.
    Large, extended wars are won with cheap, low-​​tech weapons. German sol­diers used to make jokes about “those funny American tanks with their lit­tle guns” but, being equipped with the Mighty Panther Tank, they still lost.
    Small “wars” (or rather polic­ing actions) are won with feet on the ground, hearts and minds cam­paigns and restric­tions on using force.
    Both ways, large or small, cost lives. Many lives, some might say too many. But THAT’s the cost of war, not what you pay for a gun.
    Advanced weapons require a lot of main­te­nance, cost a lot of money and aren’t always battlefield-​​proof, just ask “Grossdeutschland“‘s PzAbt 51 about their PzKpfw V Panthers at Kursk. They will NEVER win against a flood of cheap, throw-​​away weaponry.

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  14. Pharsalus says:
    March 11, 2008 at 9:02 am

    Addendum: …They will NEVER win against a flood of cheap, throw-​​away weaponry *and the (some­what Stalinesque) will to send most of your troops to their deaths*.

    Reply
  15. Pharsalus says:
    March 11, 2008 at 9:47 am

    @ Brian
    “The Germans lost for a lot of rea­sons, not just because their equip­ment was expen­sive.“
    » Very true.
    “WWII is a thing of the past.“
    » Whooo. Very iffy pre­dic­tion. This planet has four-​​and-​​a-​​half mil­lion years of life left in it. Chances are we’ll se another Big War in that time.

    Reply
  16. Thomas says:
    March 11, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Reminds me of when they started to put GPS onto the MK82s back when. Then came the bright spark of attach­ing a laser designator/​seeker pack­age with con­trol fins to “fly” the bomb onto or off tar­get.
    Next ver­sion of Excalibur round with deploy­able fins, laser/​real time GPS sig­nal pack­age?
    I remem­ber some­thing on here about such a round if I recall?

    Reply
  17. Canadian Gunner says:
    March 13, 2008 at 7:59 am

    Interesting Article but.…
    You are wrong about this being the first fir­ing of Excalbur in Afghanistan. The Canadian Artillery fired one in July 07.

    Reply

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