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Home » The View from Av Week » Naval UCAV Squadron by 2025

Naval UCAV Squadron by 2025

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The U.S. Navy is call­ing for com­pet­i­tive pro­to­typ­ing in prepa­ra­tion for field­ing its first squadron of Unmanned Combat Air Systems (UCAS) by 2025.

NUCAS is expected to replace the Navy’s F/​A-​​18s on air­craft car­rier decks, and the sys­tem will pro­vide greater range and time on sta­tion than the manned fleet. This shift will project Navy air power far beyond today’s reach, adding more pro­tec­tion to ships at sea.

This strat­egy puts the Navy at the fore­front of the Pentagon’s efforts to field com­bat drones; the U.S. Air Force has decided to cre­ate a manned design for its next-​​generation bomber for field­ing in 2018.

The Navy is con­duct­ing an analy­sis of alter­na­tives to nar­row down its choices for the F/​A-​​18 replace­ment, dubbed the F/​A-​​XX program.

In lock­step, offi­cials at Naval Air Systems Command are for­mu­lat­ing an acqui­si­tion strat­egy to build off of work han­dled by Northrop Grumman, which is build­ing two NUCAS demon­stra­tors, accord­ing to Capt. Martin Deppe, NUCAS pro­gram man­ager. Northrop Grumman beat Boeing for the $635 con­tract to design and test the suit­abil­ity of a tail­less, low-​​observable design oper­at­ing in and around air­craft carriers.

The first demon­stra­tor flight is set for November 2009, and car­rier tri­als will be com­plete in late 2012.

Deppe says the acqui­si­tion strat­egy for a follow-​​on to the demon­stra­tor project will likely be ready in 2011. Though Deppe says he wants to have com­pet­ing pro­to­types, the strat­egy does not call for new air vehi­cle designs.

The would-​​be com­peti­tors would sim­ply need to demon­strate the tech­nolo­gies in an oper­a­tionally rel­e­vant envi­ron­ment. The con­trac­tors could demon­strate their archi­tec­tures using air­craft already cleared for car­rier ops.

Read more on Naval UCAVs and other aero­nau­ti­cal insider news from our friends at Aviation Week on Military​.com.

– Christian

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  1. Tim says:
    March 11, 2008 at 9:53 am

    Here comes Skynet…

    Reply
  2. SMSgt Mac says:
    March 11, 2008 at 10:48 am

    Well.…not exactly.
    The AF should beat the 2025 date by sev­eral years: http://​www​.air​force​times​.com/​n​e​w​s​/​2​0​0​8​/​0​3​/​a​i​r​f​o​r​c​e​_​b​o​m​b​e​r​_​0​3​0​6​0​8w/
    Personally, I think that’s too bad, because ‘unmanned’ makes a heck of a lot more sense than off a car­rier than over mid­dle America

    Reply
  3. Chris says:
    March 11, 2008 at 11:03 am

    I thought the F35C was to replace the F/​A-​​18?

    Reply
  4. TheBoogyMan says:
    March 11, 2008 at 11:08 am

    This makes a lot of sense to me, peo­ple who think that this is bad are probobly either, A– much more informed than me about this sub­ject and i should be afraid. B– are afraid of the future. I feel like this could save some lives, and as the con­trols on them are secure, its all good.

    Reply
  5. Camp says:
    March 11, 2008 at 11:40 am

    I’m just glad the UCAS isn’t an Aerial Tanker. :)

    Reply
  6. Ed says:
    March 11, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    They haven’t yet men­tioned what roles it would per­form. They say as a replace­ment for the F/​A-​​18. Thats all well and good but do they mean ground and sur­face strike? Do they mean Air supe­ri­or­ity? Do they mean Electronic Warfare like the planned EA-​​18?
    They also haven’t men­tioned another point, will these air­craft fly autonomously or will they act like an advanced ver­sion of today’s Predator and Reaper UAVs where there is a ground sta­tion with the pilots behind a joy­stick and a key­board play­ing the world’s best com­puter game of all time?
    Now the Navy top brass are say­ing they want NUCAS squadrons by 2025. Have they asked The cap­tains on the CVNs? I’m pretty sure most CVN cap­tains would prob­a­bly feel bet­ter hav­ing manned air­craft oper­at­ing for fleet pro­tec­tion because, just as was men­tioned, they are going to be elec­tronic craft, what if they are jammed and made inop­er­a­ble or worse, hacked and stolen from us, leav­ing a CVN com­pletely vul­ner­a­ble with­out its aircraft.

    Reply
  7. Chris says:
    March 11, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    UCAV’s offer sev­eral advan­tages over the cur­rent manned fleet of air­craft.
    1. They can stay on sta­tion as long as they have fuel for or don’t get shot down (no life lost if they do).
    2. They offer the rel­a­tively inex­pen­sive swarm capa­bil­i­ties we’ve been look­ing for.
    3. They can han­dle G’s that would oth­er­wise dis­able or kill a human.
    4. They can be pro­grammed autonomously own a seg­ment of air­space (no oper­a­tor or “jam­ming” inter­fer­ence).
    5. More can fit in a car­rier group that tra­di­tional air­craft (the­o­ret­i­cally).
    6. They cost less than a human life (not that you can put a mon­e­tary value on a human life).
    7. Breaks long after flesh and bone do.
    They won’t how­ever last longer than cur­rent aircraft…if any­thing, they won’t last as long. That is of course until some rev­o­lu­tion­ary design step is made.
    Hacking into the net­work stream of a UCAV is a bit harder (order of mag­ni­tude) than some Chinese or Russian punk break­ing into a DoD web­site that was never designed with secu­rity in mind.

    Reply
  8. SMSgt Mac says:
    March 11, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Those of us that have been around a while remem­ber when the Navy sold Congress on the F-​​18E/​F as a ‘just-​​in-​​case’ then ‘stop-​​gap’ alter­na­tive to what even­tu­ally became the JSF pro­gram. In real­ity, it was as prob­a­bly as much to replace/​fill-​​in for the can­celed follow-​​on to the F-​​14 called (once upon a time) the NATF.
    You could also say all the F-​​18s of every stripe replaced MANY air­frames: the A-​​7, the still­born A-​​12, and espe­cially the A-​​6. You needed a pro­gram to fol­low all the replan­ning that went on dur­ing the Clintonian 90s.
    Heaven knows what the Navy’s story is today.
    Of course, other things changed in the interim, so assump­tions made ‘back when’ may not be the same as realites now.

    Reply
  9. bleh says:
    March 11, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    » Northrop Grumman beat Boeing for the $635 con­tract
    See, the tanker decision’s already show­ing its pos­i­tive effects on com­pe­ti­tion and account­abil­ity.
    Last year that’d have cost *millions*.

    Reply
  10. Chris says:
    March 11, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Marines never flew the Super Hornet’s only the Navy.

    Reply
  11. Bruce says:
    March 11, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Camp wrote :I’m just glad the UCAS isn’t an Aerial Tanker. :)
    Why not, build a great big tanker that can sit and run race tracks for hours, with­out a crew they can stay there until they are bingo fuel and go home. Or fol­low a strike mis­sion , loi­ter at a safe dis­tance and refuel them on the out­bound run. A tanker just has to fly straight and level to do it’s job, no maneu­ver­ing or fancy fly­ing there, a per­fect job for a uav.

    Reply
  12. Roy Smith says:
    March 11, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    It shall be called the “Jennings & Rall/​Ravenwood/​Skynet” Squadron.
    Tim
    You for­got to men­tion Jennings & Rall,& their sub­sidiary Ravenwood.They’re com­ing too.

    Reply
  13. Tim says:
    March 11, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Oh so sorry, of course Jennings and Rall … Ravewood would be their ver­ti­cle take off ver­sion. :)

    Reply
  14. Rix says:
    March 11, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    Man, Boeing can’t catch a break. Their mil­i­tary busi­ness is toast. Junior part­ner on the F-​​22, no F-​​35, No KC-45…now falling behind in the UAV indus­try. C-​​17 line is run­ning on fumes…I sup­pose they bet­ter hope the P-​​8 is a win­ner. Of course, now I’m sure Airbus will be bidding…

    Reply
  15. Scott Drumm says:
    March 12, 2008 at 9:10 am

    I’m skep­ti­cal of this whole drone thing. It’s one thing to harden an air­craft against EMP; it’s quite another to pro­tect the data link between that air­craft and the ground (or ship­board) con­trollers.
    With our reliance on satel­lites, GPS, and now drone-​​based air­craft, what’s to keep a smart adver­sary from loft­ing a nuke up 250 miles — even above their own ter­ri­tory — and dis­abling all of our high tech toys?
    Wikipedia (key­words “EMP” and “Starfish Prime”) has an inter­est­ing primer on the sub­ject, sourced from the FAS​.org site.

    Reply
  16. DC2 Jennings says:
    March 12, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    Scott,
    If they throw an EMP pulse over their own coun­try it would be far worse for them than for us. Also, most mil­i­tary equip­ment is EMP hard­ened. That would be espe­cially true for our ships, which are sur­rounded by well grounded and thick metal.
    It will be inter­est­ing to see this tech­nol­ogy mature. The real issue I see with UCAVs is sit­u­a­tional aware­ness. But I’m sure that is an area of tech­nol­ogy that will mature pretty quickly with the empha­sis turn­ing to these types of air­craft.
    Lest we for­get, the Navy was the first user of UAVs. Back in the day (late 60s) they devel­oped the LAMPS I unmanned helo for ASW war­fare from small helo decks. Unfortunately that was a col­losal fail­ure. The Navy also used UAVs launched from the BBs back in Gulf War I for fire con­trol of the 16″ guns.
    DC2

    Reply
  17. Frank says:
    March 13, 2008 at 6:06 am

    Concerning the hack of the net­work streams:
    Why not give the ucav it’s orders on the ground (via old style cable con­nec­tion) and let it fly all alone. If you just want it to bomb a cer­tain posi­tion you will never need a net­work con­nec­tion, which can be hacked. Or give it some sort of AI, so that it can iden­tify iraqi, russ­ian, chi­nese, … tanks on it’s own.
    ’Cause no com­puter sys­tem is save. None.
    For the most part you won’t need to update tar­get coor­di­nates in-​​flight.

    Reply
  18. GJP says:
    March 13, 2008 at 8:51 am

    DC,
    LAMPS was the Kaman SH2 con­fig­ured for ASW and OTH tar­get­ting oper­a­tions, and was manned. The unit you’re talk­ing about was the Drone Anti-​​Submarine Helicopter (DASH) which didn’t work because of an unre­li­able data/​control link. The new UCAVs are an entirely new breed of cat. They’re autonomous (DASH wasn’t) but sub­ject to over­ride. I like the idea of the cable con­nec­tion to pro­gram the UCAV, but you’d still need links for BDA and retar­get­ing — also to notify the UCAV of your new loca­tion if you move (which air­craft car­ri­ers have been known to do).

    Reply
  19. Saul says:
    March 13, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    This is,taking us deeper into debt!Be,content with
    what we have idiots.

    Reply
  20. pfcem says:
    March 14, 2008 at 12:36 am

    Saul,
    Defense spend­ing IS NOT what is tak­ing us deeper into debt.

    Reply
  21. DC2 Jennings says:
    March 14, 2008 at 7:15 am

    GJP,
    You’re right, my bad. A guy I worked with was on a DDG that tested that thing. He said it didn’t do too well.
    DC2

    Reply

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