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Home » The Sunday Paper » The Sunday Paper (Retention Edition)

The Sunday Paper (Retention Edition)

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Let’s get real. In spite of the copi­ous amounts of lip­stick the ser­vices have been putting on the prover­bial peo­ple pig, our mil­i­tary is fac­ing a trou­bling man­ning cri­sis. And it’s not about recruit­ing, nec­es­sar­ily (although those stats are tak­ing a turn for the worse); the big­ger prob­lem is reten­tion — keep­ing those who are already serv­ing to keep serving.

Today’s Washington Post has a cou­ple of op-​​eds that frame the issue nicely. The first is by a young cap­tain who has decided to get out of the Army. From what I’ve heard his story is rep­re­sen­ta­tive of the feel­ings of most of the junior offi­cers and staff NCOs service-​​wide. They’re will­ing to do their part, but they also need time to catch their col­lec­tive breath. The cur­rent oper­a­tional tempo doesn’t afford that, nor does there seem to be any plan in the works to make it so in the forsee­able future.

So if these guys are leav­ing, who’s going to man the force? Another op-​​ed speaks of cast­ing a wider net. Here’s an excerpt from Who Says the Elite Aren’t Fit to Serve?:

The priv­i­leged of prior gen­er­a­tions were more likely to con­sider mil­i­tary ser­vice a nat­ural expres­sion of their own priv­i­leged rela­tion­ship to the state — the least, you might say, that they could do in return for the oppor­tu­ni­ties the nation had granted them. Consider a young John F. Kennedy work­ing con­nec­tions to obtain a com­mis­sion that his health would have denied him oth­er­wise. How many from Harvard pull such strings today? To chalk this up to the ethos of a “sim­pler,” less ques­tion­ing time would be easy, but it would also be facile.
All else being equal, staffing the armed ser­vices with cit­i­zens from the broad­est range of back­grounds is still the best course. Further, we are in a time, and a con­flict, in which the unique demands placed upon the mil­i­tary make the need for inno­v­a­tive lead­er­ship acute. (My artillery bat­tal­ion, for exam­ple, con­ducts foot patrols in Ramadi, per­forms base secu­rity, trains Iraqi police recruits, mans out­posts in the desert, forms neigh­bor­hood coun­cils, over­sees recon­struc­tion projects and … oh yes, shoots artillery.) How bet­ter to achieve this than to cast a wide net?

Admiral Mullen has addressed this reten­tion issue, but are the ser­vices really doing enough to stymie it? After all, we might have a real threat to our national secu­rity emerge in the next few years. Wouldn’t it be best to have a healthy mil­i­tary in place at that time?

– Ward

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  1. Joe says:
    March 16, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Even if the facts don’t sup­port the story, push the story
    FY 2008 Recruiting
    Componant Accessions Goal Percent
    Army
    18,829 18,600 101
    Navy
    10,067 10,067 100
    Marine Corps
    11,113 10,225 109
    Air Force
    8,280 8,224 101
    Army National Guard 21,113 18,400 115
    Army Reserve
    12,814 12,577 102
    Navy Reserve
    3,446 3,346 103
    Marine Corps Reserve
    2,747 2,747 100
    Air National Guard
    2,831 2,485 120
    Air Force Reserve 2,369 2,365 100
    07 Recruiting Statistics
    Componant Accessions Goal Percent
    Army
    80,407 80,000 101
    Navy
    37,361 37,000 101
    Marine Corps
    35,603 35,576 100
    Air Force
    27,801 27,801 100
    Army National Guard 66,652 70,000 95
    Army Reserve
    35,734 35,505 101
    Navy Reserve
    10,627 10,602 100
    Marine Corps Reserve
    7,959 7,256 110
    Air National Guard
    9,975 10,690 93
    Air Force Reserve 7,110 6,834 104
    06 Recruiting Statistics
    Componant Accessions Goal Percent
    Army
    80,635
    80,000 101
    Navy
    36,679
    36,656 100
    Marine Corps
    32,337 32,301 100
    Air Force
    30,889
    30,750 100
    Army National Guard 69,042 70,000 99
    Army Reserve
    34,379 36,032 95
    Navy Reserve
    9,722 11,180 87
    Marine Corps Reserve
    8,056 8,024 100
    Air National Guard
    9,138 9,380
    97
    Air Force Reserve 6,989 6,607 106

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  2. chris says:
    March 16, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    yeah the num­bers look great to bad we (the army) pad those like a men­tal patients room. this April will be the first major exo­dus of CPTs as it is the first time most of the ROTC com­mis­sioned offi­cers can leave. Watch next year for the mass res­ig­na­tions of Westpoint and 5 year flight pro­gram com­mis­sioned offi­cers. This year the only 2004 year group (mine in fact) offi­cers who could leave are the very small num­ber of OCS and non schol­ar­ship ROTC, and they left in large num­bers. Enlisted reten­tion may look good but from first hand expe­ri­ence I can say that the ones we are keep­ing with 20–30 thou­sand dol­lar bonuses are not the ones we want to keep in most cases. Discipline is poor among the younger sol­diers and will keep get­ting worst. Oh and Joe let me know when you start get­ting the “new” pri­vates in their mid to late 30’s they are really use­ful in com­bat as door kick­ers. We are in trou­ble and if you want to believe the num­bers thats fine but those of us who live in a place called real­ity are get­ting crushed under the weight of poorly trained low qual­ity recruits.

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  3. joe says:
    March 16, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    I just look at the sto­ries, and I see the same sto­ries being pushed time and time again. Eventually I just stop believ­ing.
    Military Recruiting 2007: Army Misses Benchmarks by Greater Margin …
    It is clear to see that the Military recruit­ment sta­tis­tics closely .… The long-​​term impli­ca­tions of recruit­ing prob­lems today could be sig­nif­i­cant. …
    http://​www​.nation​al​pri​or​i​ties​.org/​m​i​l​i​t​a​r​y​r​e​c​r​u​i​t​i​n​g​2​007 — 70k — Cached — Similar pages — Note this

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  4. Grumpy says:
    March 16, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Ward, you raise a very tough issue. But you come at this with a par­tic­u­lar bias towards “reten­tion.” But as we move along, reten­tion can not be the only strat­egy. As you rightly say, we must cast a wider net. How do we do this? First, look at how you are deal­ing with the vets. Stop screw­ing with them! I mean right up to this very minute! The young peo­ple are watch­ing and rightly so. Is this a new idea? My answer comes from a rel­a­tively mod­ern source, if you con­sider President George Washington in 1789, rel­a­tively mod­ern.
    “The will­ing­ness with which our young peo­ple are likely to serve in any war, no mat­ter how jus­ti­fied, shall be directly pro­por­tional to how they per­ceive the vet­er­ans of ear­lier wars were treated and appre­ci­ated by their Nation.“
    I believe this cov­ers a very large group of poten­tial recruits, like all of them. It does cover events like 9/​11. It cov­ers the “sig­nif­i­cant other peo­ple” in the poten­tial recruit’s life and their con­cerns for the poten­tial recruit’s life after the mil­i­tary.
    The last thing, in “cast­ing a wider net”, President Bush needs to under­stand a few things or apply them. Every time he does some­thing ques­tion­able or uses “exec­u­tive priv­i­lege” to refuse to answer ques­tions he is set­ting an exam­ple. He is giv­ing them rea­sons to say, NO, to the recruitors.
    –Grumpy

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  5. Adam says:
    March 16, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Um, maybe there are recruit­ment prob­lems because fewer young Americans see the war in Iraq as being some­thing wor­thy of risk­ing their lives for?
    Despite all the talk of how this is the “bat­tle of our gen­er­a­tion” (so to speak), the Bush admin­is­tra­tion clearly doesn’t believe their own rhetoric given their refusal to make mean­ing­ful invest­ment deci­sions in the war. How about rais­ing taxes, start­ing a draft, con­vert­ing civil­ian pro­duc­tion to war pro­duc­tion, etc, as occurred in WWII when the USA had a far more con­se­quen­tial and impor­tant fight on its hands?

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  6. Charles Spiegelman says:
    March 16, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    The real ques­tion is who gives a damn, every­time these brave men and women are over­seas, they see the same old thing, why are we spend­ing so much money, can we do bet­ter good ques­tions? Then if there injured or need help for­get it who need you, if you had a decent job, with ben­e­fits you wouldn;t need our help, oh by the way thanks for help­ing me and my son and daugh­ter, i’ll send them to col­lege so you can defend me and mind. Come on lets get real does any­body really care what the sol­dier do or die no in this coun­try we care more about foot­balls stars and base­ball stars then we do about peo­ple who put there lifes on the line, and are treated like crap when they get back. I’m sorry but look out the future holds more black­wa­ters not less, pay to do dirt work instead of serve, that the future. Get ready for mercs to do our bid­ding if we are going to go to war and we will in the future more and more of the merc will be paid to do the dirt work

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  7. Smith says:
    March 16, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    >How about rais­ing taxes, start­ing a draft,
    >con­vert­ing civil­ian pro­duc­tion to war
    >pro­duc­tion, etc, as occurred in WWII when the
    >USA had a far more con­se­quen­tial and impor­tant
    >fight on its hands?
    All of which are polit­i­cal impos­si­bil­i­ties at this moment. Even if Genghis Khan was President, he could not move the coun­try as it is now into a war foot­ing. President Bush has received only mar­ginal sup­port for the many GWOT ini­tia­tives taken dur­ing his admin­is­tra­tion and a frank look at what has hap­pened since 2001 is impres­sive by any means.
    Back to reten­tion, I’m a LT in the Guard and the same con­cerns swirl around my sit­u­a­tion as well, although since I am not Active I do not deploy as much. But if I was on the Active Army deploy­ment tempo, I could not last long before fam­ily and finances dic­tated my res­ig­na­tion. But I also con­sider it an honor to serve, and honor in the ser­vice of one’s coun­try being a con­cept that I doubt many mem­bers of acad­e­mia closely iden­tify with. I know that from my col­lege days…

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  8. TB says:
    March 17, 2008 at 12:17 am

    We recently had a one star from the pen­ta­gon come talk to us (group of cap­tains fresh back from our 2nd and 3rd tours). He said cap­tain reten­tion is sta­tis­ti­cally still at pre­war lev­els (10–11% attri­tion) but the issue will be in the next year or two as the army tries to grow by 6 brigades and needs to cut that attri­tion rate to 5%, espe­cially since they’re hav­ing a hard enough time just keep­ing that 10%.

    Reply
  9. Hooded Swan says:
    March 17, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    “For the troops but against the war” = “Against the troops” In a democ­racy, it is the respon­si­bil­ity of cit­i­zens & the Legislative Branch to ques­tion the deci­sions of the Executive Branch. If they decide that the Executive is wrong, then it is their respon­si­bil­ity to do what they can, within the law, to reverse the deci­sion. The by prod­uct, in time of war, may be dam­age to troop morale. No one ever said that democ­racy is easy.
    “Get ready for mercs to do our bid­ding if we are going to go to war and we will in the future more and more of the merc will be paid to do the dirt work”. The mer­ce­nary com­pa­nies are prof­itable because the ser­vices pay for the train­ing. If you can’t man the ser­vices, there won’t be any­one for the PSCs to poach. They’ll have to recruit from out­side the USA. You can’t expect for­eign mer­ce­nar­ies to accept the same risks on behalf of the USA as US cit­i­zens, let alone ser­vice members.

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  10. Jim R. says:
    March 17, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    It both­ers me to say because I’m a vet­eran… but this country’s sup­port of the war on ter­ror (and espe­cially the guys fight­ing it) reminds me of going to the den­tist. Only at the point of pain do most folks care about the den­tist. The rest of the time… they could care less.
    Most of the sup­port for the troops is com­ing from folks who are serv­ing, those who have served… or relatives/​friends of the afore-​​mentioned. You ask an Ivy Leaguer or a Joe Six Pack who knows no one serv­ing in the war on ter­ror… about the war… you’re likely to elicit a yawn. How many Americans have sent care pack­ages to the troops in Iraq/​Afghanistan? How many have vis­ited vet­er­ans at a VA hos­pi­tal? The United States of America, the great­est coun­try in the his­tory of mankind… and we still have veteran’s groups beg­ging for money. A god damn disgrace.

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  11. TB says:
    March 17, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    To add on to mine and Asterik’s com­ments, last fall we (army cap­tains) were offered $20-$30k to sign on another 3 years. The only cap­tains I know who got the CSRB were those who already planned on being lif­ers. Many cap­tains can get a civil­ian job at least com­men­su­rate with their army pay if not more (which is why we’re hard to retain). A $30k — 3 year bonus to some­one who makes $60k a year is insult­ing — espe­cially since new recruits can get up to $40k (twice their annual pay) just for walk­ing in the door.

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  12. Nanonymous says:
    March 18, 2008 at 11:12 am

    “I think the way to fight back would be to demon­strate how the armed ser­vices could help fur­ther a [pres­ti­gious, high-​​paid, obnox­ious] Ivy track career. (Think media, con­sult­ing, invest­ment bank­ing, law school, grad school)“
    And here he inad­ver­tently puts his fin­ger right on the heart of the prob­lem: the way to attract expen­sively edu­cated nar­cis­sists is tell them what’s in it for them!
    News flash: the Army doesn’t really care that it’s not get­ting you, because it regards you as deca­dently self­ish. A post like this only fur­thers that conviction.

    Reply
  13. Hey: Nanonymous says:
    March 18, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Inadvertent? Finish read­ing before insult­ing:
    “to attract elites, dan­gle a car­rot that they might actu­ally want” =/​= inadvertent

    Reply
  14. Nanonymous says:
    March 19, 2008 at 8:42 am

    Point missed.
    You don’t join the mil­i­tary because it can do some­thing for you. You join it because it’s the right thing to do. The ser­vice doesn’t need peo­ple who are look­ing out for their own inter­est. It needs peo­ple who are inter­ested in the well-​​bring and safety of oth­ers. It isn’t a resume bul­let. It’s a duty.

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  15. N Anon... says:
    March 19, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    That’s just wrong. If that were true for the major­ity of enlis­tees there wouldn’t be entice­ments. If you pay for a vol­un­teer army, you have pay for it; if not, you have to draft them.

    Reply
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    May 4, 2008 at 10:32 am

    nice too meet you

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  17. Hellgate gold says:
    August 1, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    Finally I also said that the most impor­tant thing is to find them­selves on the state mind, play­ing their own, the same as me that if happy I will spend Hellgate gold to buy many things. I hope every­one can play happy in the game.

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  18. cheap Shaiya gold says:
    August 8, 2008 at 3:30 am

    She cre­ated green forests and plains that engulfed the lands in the like­ness of her youth­ful com­plex­ion. The cheap Shaiya gold sky and stars inher­ited their exquis­ite­ness from the like­ness of her eyes.

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  19. kamas says:
    August 15, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Speak our story now, per­haps our story was very com­mon, I met her in the last year, at that time we only said a few words, at that time she was buy the kamas now, we changed our tele­phone each other.

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