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Well, according to Boeing, the Air Force determined that the KC-767 was superior to the KC-45 in aerial refueling, survivability, and mission capability. So the presumption that the Northrup plane is superior is definatly up for debate. The KC-767 was judged to be more survivable during combat missions, more flexible because of its shorter takeoff/landing distance, and had the advantage of being able to refuel all aircraft in the inventory, while the KC-45 can not refuel the V-22. And since the GAO just dismissed the Air Force’s and Northrup’s bid to have the protest thrown out. I think that is a huge win for Boeing, and now I think that Boeing has a fighting chance of winning this protest.
The A330 is a superior aircraft. Our troops deserve the best our tax dollars can buy. If that means that it’s made by the Frogs then so be it. Boeing’s fault for trying to sell the DoD an old dog like the 767.
lenn
AS A LIFE LONG AEROSPACE EMPLOYEE, WITH FLIGHT LINE EXPERIANCE IN MILITARY AND GENERAL AVIATION, AS WELL AS LIGHT AND HEAVY AIRVEHICLE BUILD EXPERIANCE, I CAN TELL, AND REMIND ANYONE ELSE WHO MIGHT OF FORGOTTEN, THAT BUILDING THE AIRFRAME COSTS NOTHING! THE REAL MONEY IS IN THE AVIONICS,ENGINES AND SUBSYSTEMS TO BE INSTALLED– ALL U.S. BUILT AND INSTALLED BY U.S. LABOR. NOTE I ALSO BELIEVE THAT MOST OF THE AIRVEHICLE WILL ALSO BE ASSEMBLED HERE!
lenn,
The A330 is not superior to the 767. It is bigger which gives it advantages & disadvantages but DOES NOT make it better.
The KC-767AT is just as “new” as the KC-30.
The 737 is MUCH “older” than the 767 yet continues to be the best selling airliner year after year…
The ignorance displayed on this topic is insane. The bias used against Boeing is nearly 100% based on the tanker/lease scandal. This completely ignores Airbus’ own woes, including state subsidies. Those issues put aside, the Airbus tanker is NOT a better plane, just bigger. The 767 may be an earlier design, but then what are the best airframes in history…the ‘newest’? Come on. In addition, since Airbus supporters ignore this fact, I’ll remind IT IS TOO BIG TO USE CRITICAL FOBs IN-THEATER. GAO made a good call to keep investigating. There is much more being ignored here…far too much for this poster to comment on. If it is true that the USAF changed the rules mid-bid, I hope they have the pull to flip the contract. Something definitely smells.
Stop lying about Airbus getting loads of subsidies.
They get occasionally a loan for development tasks like the A380, but they pay back.
Compare that to the billions of easy money that Boeing gets through completely overpriced military contracts (Airbus has few military contracts).
Nice wording of the poll especially the first choice, not to biased no…
The reason I support the KC-45 is not because I like Airbus (I don’t,) but because it’s simply the better plane. This poll has bad wording.
It’s meant to be provocative you fuddie duddies!…Jeez…
Well, according to Boeing, the Air Force determined that the KC-767 was superior to the KC-45 in aerial refueling, survivability, and mission capability. So the presumption that the Northrup plane is superior is definatly up for debate. The KC-767 was judged to be more survivable during combat missions, more flexible because of its shorter takeoff/landing distance, and had the advantage of being able to refuel all aircraft in the inventory, while the KC-45 can not refuel the V-22. And since the GAO just dismissed the Air Force’s and Northrup’s bid to have the protest thrown out. I think that is a huge win for Boeing, and now I think that Boeing has a fighting chance of winning this protest.
The A330 is a superior aircraft. Our troops deserve the best our tax dollars can buy. If that means that it’s made by the Frogs then so be it. Boeing’s fault for trying to sell the DoD an old dog like the 767.
lenn
AS A LIFE LONG AEROSPACE EMPLOYEE, WITH FLIGHT LINE EXPERIANCE IN MILITARY AND GENERAL AVIATION, AS WELL AS LIGHT AND HEAVY AIRVEHICLE BUILD EXPERIANCE, I CAN TELL, AND REMIND ANYONE ELSE WHO MIGHT OF FORGOTTEN, THAT BUILDING THE AIRFRAME COSTS NOTHING! THE REAL MONEY IS IN THE AVIONICS,ENGINES AND SUBSYSTEMS TO BE INSTALLED– ALL U.S. BUILT AND INSTALLED BY U.S. LABOR. NOTE I ALSO BELIEVE THAT MOST OF THE AIRVEHICLE WILL ALSO BE ASSEMBLED HERE!
lenn,
The A330 is not superior to the 767. It is bigger which gives it advantages & disadvantages but DOES NOT make it better.
The KC-767AT is just as “new” as the KC-30.
The 737 is MUCH “older” than the 767 yet continues to be the best selling airliner year after year…
The ignorance displayed on this topic is insane. The bias used against Boeing is nearly 100% based on the tanker/lease scandal. This completely ignores Airbus’ own woes, including state subsidies. Those issues put aside, the Airbus tanker is NOT a better plane, just bigger. The 767 may be an earlier design, but then what are the best airframes in history…the ‘newest’? Come on. In addition, since Airbus supporters ignore this fact, I’ll remind IT IS TOO BIG TO USE CRITICAL FOBs IN-THEATER. GAO made a good call to keep investigating. There is much more being ignored here…far too much for this poster to comment on. If it is true that the USAF changed the rules mid-bid, I hope they have the pull to flip the contract. Something definitely smells.
Stop lying about Airbus getting loads of subsidies.
They get occasionally a loan for development tasks like the A380, but they pay back.
Compare that to the billions of easy money that Boeing gets through completely overpriced military contracts (Airbus has few military contracts).
True — The A330 is not superior to the 767. They both have advantages and disadvantages.