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Home » The Tanker Tango » Boeing: AF Had Worries About EADS Boom

Boeing: AF Had Worries About EADS Boom

This arti­cle first appeared at Aerospace Daily & Defense Report.

Members of the U.S. Air Force’s source selec­tion group raised con­cerns about the per­for­mance of the EADS refu­el­ing boom design dur­ing the KC-​​X tanker com­pe­ti­tion, accord­ing to Mark McGraw, Boeing’s tanker exec­u­tive.

The Air Force offi­cials were “speak­ing loudly” behind closed doors in meet­ings about their wor­ries, and this infor­ma­tion found dur­ing the dis­cov­ery phase of Boeing’s protest of the award to Northrop Grumman/​EADS is “very encour­ag­ing” sup­port for the company’s protest, McGraw told reporters dur­ing an April 3 tele­con­fer­ence.

McGraw says, based on Northrop Grumman doc­u­ments reviewed by Boeing lawyers, that it is unclear whether EADS would reuse the boom for the Australian tanker on the U.S. tanker or use a mod­i­fied design. The boom pro­gram has expe­ri­enced delays and a restruc­tur­ing. Northrop Grumman says the boom is the same one now on the Australian Multirole Tanker Transport and is being tested for fuel pas­sage on an Airbus A310 test platform.


Air Force wor­ries about the risk asso­ci­ated with EADS’ boom per­for­mance, how­ever, weren’t included in the final assess­ment of scor­ing for the team, McGraw says. This is one reflec­tion of how McGraw says the Air Force unfairly docked Boeing’s pro­posal for cost and risk while ignor­ing poten­tial pit­falls with the Northrop Grumman/​EADS North America KC-​​45 design.

Boeing filed its protest March 11, and the com­pany plans to file a fourth sup­ple­men­tal protest doc­u­ment by April 4. The sup­ple­men­tal fil­ings expand what Boeing sees as evi­dence of its claims. During this period, Boeing’s lawyers are “fire­walled,” and able to exam­ine Air Force and Northrop Grumman doc­u­men­ta­tion. The full extent of the doc­u­ments hasn’t been made pub­lic, and McGraw says he doesn’t have access to it.

Read more on the tanker boom, Frenchies com­ing to Red Flag, bloated heavy lifters and an amaz­ing Coast Guard res­cue from Aviation Week on Military​.com

– Christian

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  1. Lugo says:
    April 7, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Oh fer chris­sake, the cred­i­bil­ity of such an alle­ga­tion is ZERO and both Aerospace Daily and DT should be ashamed to repeat Boeing propaganda.

    Reply
  2. SMSgt Mac says:
    April 8, 2008 at 1:01 am

    IMHO, this short piece is actu­ally more ‘Boeinged up’ than the Amy Butler arti­cle posted 4 April at Av Week’s site, but my com­ment there still applies:
    Some mem­bers ‘raised con­cerns’? Excellent.
    A vig­or­ous tech­ni­cal debate occured and ended in favor­ing the NG com­peti­tor. I would be alarmed if no dis­cus­sions had tran­spired on any aspect of this com­pe­ti­tion. If Boeing’s boom actu­ally existed, the AF could have debated their tech­ni­cal mer­its just as vig­or­ously.
    It is inter­est­ing that Mr. McGraw and Boeing focus on this aspect of the com­pe­ti­tion with­out acknowl­edg­ing that the KC-​​45 boom risk-​​reduction and test­ing is pro­ceed­ing apace and actu­ally passed fuel the week of the con­tract award, while claim­ing the AF did them an injus­tice by not includ­ing their late-​​breaking CPAR rat­ings in the man­age­ment eval­u­a­tion por­tion of the contract.

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  3. Jimbo Jones says:
    April 8, 2008 at 10:51 am

    “Oh fer chris­sake, the cred­i­bil­ity of such an alle­ga­tion is ZERO and both Aerospace Daily and DT should be ashamed to repeat Boeing pro­pa­ganda.“
    So i take it from that com­ment you sat in on these meet­ings, or else how would you know its pro­pa­ganda? oh wait whats that — your not actu­ally any­thing to do with the pro­gram just some­one who likes to think he knows…

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  4. Riss says:
    April 8, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Boeing clutch­ing at straws.
    deary me..

    Reply
  5. C4Casey says:
    April 9, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    I wouldn’t say this is clutch­ing at straws at all. It’s sup­possed to be a tanker, right? So it bet­ter do a damn good job at refu­el­ing air­craft, since that’s its pri­mary mis­sion at all. If the boom is shity, then that’s a big prob­lem. Of course, that’s if you believe boeing’s side of the story.

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  6. WR says:
    April 10, 2008 at 8:34 am

    It would be inter­est­ing to see how this resolves. Although I’m par­tial to Boeing, I’ve taken a step back just to take a more objec­tive 2nd look. Engineering-​​wise (Defense Mechanical Engineer by voca­tion) regard­ing pas­sen­ger and defense appli­ca­tions, I tend to favor Airbus (except for the under­pow­ered A340-​​300), but security-​​wise, I tend to favor Boeing.

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