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Home » Guns » U.S. Swaps AKs for M16s for Afghan Army

U.S. Swaps AKs for M16s for Afghan Army

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In a sharp break for a mil­i­tary with long expe­ri­ence wield­ing the battle-​​tested AK-​​47, the Afghan national army is set to replace its entire inven­tory of Kalashnikov rifles with the American-​​made M-​​16.

By the end of the year, the U.S. mil­i­tary plans to ship about 55,000 used Marine Corps M-​​16A2 rifles to Afghanistan with the intent of out­fit­ting every sol­dier in the Afghan army with one by the late spring of 2009. So far about 6,000 M16s, includ­ing Canadian C-​​7 vari­ants, have been fielded to Afghan units and about 6,000 M-​​4 car­bines have been in the hands of Afghan com­man­dos since May 2007.

Officials in charge of the $44 mil­lion mod­ern­iza­tion effort rec­og­nize the dif­fi­cultly in tran­si­tion­ing a largely illit­er­ate force from a weapon designed for the third world to one that requires inten­sive main­te­nance and marks­man­ship. But the new, more accu­rate weapons are already prov­ing their worth on the battlefield.

“When the com­man­dos go into a fight against an enemy that’s armed with AKs, it’s not a fair fight. And even fire against ‘spray and slay,’ it’s not a fair fight at all,” said Army Col. Mike McMahon, who heads up the mod­ern­iza­tion pro­gram for the Afghan army.

“The com­pe­tence you get [from the M-​​16] and the con­fi­dence is just incredible.”

The effort to aban­don decades of expe­ri­ence with the ven­er­a­ble Kalashnikov is in part an attempt by Kabul to make a sym­bolic break from its insur­gent past, where geno­ci­dal bat­tles with AK-​​47-​​toting Soviets and Taliban reli­gious zealots weigh heav­ily on the mem­ory of Afghanistan’s post-​​September 11 gov­ern­ment, McMahon said.

Similar efforts are in the works to sup­ply the new Iraqi army with M-​​16s as well.

But the enhanced per­for­mance and increased assur­ance gained by wield­ing the M-​​16 and its vari­ants come at a cost. Early efforts to train the Afghan army on the M-​​16 have been mixed, with some sol­diers stick­ing to their trigger-​​happy ways — fir­ing triple the amount of ammu­ni­tion that a typ­i­cal U.S. trainee would — and oth­ers using diesel fuel to lube the finely-​​tuned car­bine as if it were an AK.

“The Afghans called this the ‘Black Kalashnikov’ — it was noth­ing dif­fer­ent than just a plas­tic weapon,” McMahon explained. “They fig­ured out very quickly — after they went through zero­ing — that it was way dif­fer­ent than the Kalashnikov, and you didn’t fire all your rounds at the same time.”

The M-​​16s do take some get­ting used to, McMahon said, and some long-​​standing habits have to be bro­ken. For one, Afghan troops can’t just pick up any M-​​16 and fire it with any hope of hit­ting what they’re aim­ing at. Each sol­dier has his indi­vid­ual weapon zeroed to his par­tic­u­lar shoot­ing style and is account­able for that weapon’s whereabouts.

And no more rip­ping off a 30-​​round mag­a­zine shoot­ing from the hip, McMahon said. The M-​​16 is designed to be fired from the shoul­der, so for­get the “spray and slay” shoot­ing style.

Initial train­ing on the M-​​16 with the 205th Afghan Army Corps in January was mixed, mainly because there were too few instruc­tors with deep enough range and marks­man­ship know-​​how to get the stu­dents up to speed. So a new pro­gram has been launched along the lines of the M-​​16 train­ing reg­i­men in Iraq to hire six teams of 12 civil­ian con­tract instruc­tors who will teach Afghan non-​​commissioned offi­cers how to use the new rifle.

In a clas­sic “train the trainer” model, those NCOs will then be in charge of teach­ing Afghan grunts on the M-​​16, giv­ing small unit lead­ers the added ben­e­fit of per­fect­ing both their rifle and man­age­ment skills.

“We see a huge sec­ondary ben­e­fit in terms of devel­op­ment of the NCO corps by doing this; in teach­ing them how to train, how to run ranges and how to teach” other sol­diers, McMahon said. “Also this gives them a sys­tem that will have a dev­as­tat­ing impact on the enemy in terms of almost rev­o­lu­tion­iz­ing the army.”

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  1. Macaca says:
    April 30, 2008 at 7:32 am

    Besides being more accu­rate and break­ing the link to the past the project now chan­nels the 44 mil­lion back to the pock­ets of some US (linked) cor­po­ra­tion, but thats prob­a­bly a very minor detail.
    I reckon there should be some alter­na­tives that are both accu­rate AND easy to main­tain by some illit­er­ate farmer, but chances are the’re made by the wrong company..

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  2. Joe says:
    April 30, 2008 at 7:51 am

    Starting to look alot like viet­namiza­tion. M-16’s and all now

    Reply
  3. Eric says:
    April 30, 2008 at 8:08 am

    Does this really serve America’s self inter­est? My major con­cern is the added stress on ammu­ni­ti­tion man­u­fac­tur­ing, .223/5.56 pro­duc­tion is already stressed enough, and 50,000+ more trig­ger happy Afghans/​Iraqis is only going to make it worse.

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  4. The Cenobyte says:
    April 30, 2008 at 8:27 am

    I think it’s a great idea. At the moment it will put extra stress on the 5.56/.223 sup­ply but that will pick up cause the money is good and there are more buy­ers.
    Breaking the link seems like a minor issue next to hav­ing a rifle that can hit the tar­get and the train­ing they get on it. It will give the Afgans the con­fi­dence to oper­ate more com­pli­cated weapon sys­tems, give them skills in teach­ing, and raise moral as they will more and more fights.

    Reply
  5. Ed says:
    April 30, 2008 at 8:30 am

    Consider a side argu­ment to this. We are giv­ing used weapons from the Marine Corps to the ANA. Could it be that the Pentagon finally has real­ized there is a sig­nif­i­cant dif­fer­ence after the sand­table tests were done to see the US Military needs itself a new rifle? What bet­ter way to get rid of a bunch of sur­plus rifles than to give them to a fledg­ling army while at the same time fund­ing a pro­gram to start pro­duc­tion on a new rifle for the mil­i­tary?
    We have seen the Pentagon send­ing m16s and m4s to the Iraqi Army, and they said they were “new” rifles. But what if that is part of the same ploy? A new army gets bet­ter rifles and our army gets to lose a mas­sive amount of older rifles that would either have to be scrapped or sold any­ways, so why not send them over­seas so we don’t have to pay more than ship­ping costs to get the Iraqis and the Afghans some bet­ter weapons?

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  6. Wild Bill says:
    April 30, 2008 at 8:47 am

    Michael Yon was on our local radio sta­tion a few days ago pro­mot­ing his new book. The radio show talk host asked Michael about the con­tro­versy sur­round­ing the M-​​16 and his expe­ri­ences with the rifle. Michael is a for­mer spe­cial forces sol­dier and has a lot of expe­ri­ence with the M-​​16 and its vari­ants. His com­ment was that he had been in a lot of fire fights all over Iraq, as a jour­nal­ist, and had never seen an M-​​16 or M-​​4 jam. He did say that he had seen the 50 cal and the MK-​​19 grenade launcher jam in bat­tle. His com­plaint against the M-​​16 was the round was not big enough, noth­ing new with that obser­va­tion, but very inter­est­ing on the jam­ming ques­tion from a guy who has been there

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  7. Jimmy Wu says:
    April 30, 2008 at 8:56 am

    Hey, there’s noth­ing wrong w/​ using diesel to clean the M-​​16! WD-​​40 works just as well as CLP in clean­ing the 16. Anything that gets the crud off!

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  8. Wes says:
    April 30, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Good! Even bet­ter if the Marines dump their over-​​long and –heavy M-​​16A4s to the Afghans and get proper M-​​4s for themselves.

    Reply
  9. Torpedo8 says:
    April 30, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Long term, diesel is corrosive.…

    Reply
  10. slntax says:
    April 30, 2008 at 10:48 am

    hmm are these the same illit­er­ate farm­ers that learned to use stinger mis­siles? while there is more clean­ing to do with a m16 you can still the con­cept of prop­erly clean­ing your weapons prop­erly to afgans

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  11. David says:
    April 30, 2008 at 11:28 am

    AK-​​47s are the most reli­able small arms plat­form ever IMO. This move will come back to bite the Afghanis.

    Reply
  12. Thomas says:
    April 30, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    $44million for 55,000 USED rifles! = $700 /​ rifle.
    A rifle that while has some good char­ac­ter­is­tics has been found want­ing in recent tests against new tech­nol­ogy.
    What kind of shitty deal is that!?
    Talk about rip off!

    Reply
  13. Doug VW says:
    April 30, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    I doubt the pow­ers that be are this for­ward think­ing, but I hope that this is the first step in us dump­ing our old rifles and replac­ing them with some­thing new in a dif­fer­ent calibre.

    Reply
  14. Bob says:
    May 1, 2008 at 8:32 am

    I was in Afghanistan for OEF6 and worked with the Afghan National Army (ANA). I car­ried an M-​​4 with optics and PEQ2 and it worked well for me. I have seen the AKs that the ANA car­ried and many of them were not bat­tle wor­thy. Many needed parts or were bro­ken. Ammunition was scare or unre­li­able. It was hard to get Wolf “match grade” ammo for the ANA. The ANA used to call us zom­bie killers since we fired sin­gle shots, while they did the pray and spray for lit­tle effect. Also while at night in a TIC, fig­ur­ing out Taliban/​al Queada would be hard since they would all be car­ry­ing AK. We just pinned a few pieces of glint tape on the ANA. They saw us clean­ing our rifles as a sign of pro­fes­sion­al­ism. It will take years to unlearn the Afghan cul­tural war­rior ethos and pick up pro­fes­sional Western style sol­dier­ing and marks­man­ship, but many have all ready but it will start with the young recruits of the ANA that we are men­tor­ing right now.

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  15. coolhand77 says:
    May 1, 2008 at 9:15 am

    read the his­tory of the M16. The AR15 was not designed to be a front line com­bat weapon. It was designed as an air­field secu­rity weapon to replace the (under­pow­ered) M1 car­bine with­out appre­cia­bly increas­ing the weight. LeMay loved it, and rightly so. It did what it was designed to do, put a .22 cal­iber pill right where you wanted it and tum­bled it after it hit. Then MacNamara and the Wiz Kids got hold of the idea, decided to cut some cor­ners and then make it a front line rifle. Stoner’s design was great. The weapon was good at what it was designed to do so lets not diss the man. Even he admit­ted to its fail­ings. After all, look at the AR-​​18. Simpler, cheaper con­struc­tion, bet­ter reli­ablity, and basi­cally the same for­mat as the AR-​​15. What was he try­ing to do? Come up with a front line rifle, not a secu­rity rifle. Before that he tried to make the AR-​​10, which due to some mate­ri­als fail­ures was scrubbed (they tried some tricks with com­pos­ite bar­rels to lighten the load and it didn’t work). Had it worked it would have been a direct com­peti­tor to the M14 and prob­a­bly would have beat it because it was lighter, and some­what more mod­u­lar.
    Or we could blame MacArther for scrap­ping the Pederson round (bal­lis­ti­cally very sim­i­lar to alot of the new 6.5/6.8 car­tridges that are all the rage) and sad­dling the Garand with the 30–06, thereby reduc­ing the mag capac­ity by 2 rounds. Had the Garand been adopted in that orig­i­nal cham­ber­ing, our armed forces might be shoot­ing some­thing sim­i­lar to (a much improved) Mini-​​14 or M-​​14 cham­bered in a car­tridge with per­for­mance very much like the 6.5 gren­del (light recoil­ing, decent energy reten­tion and range char­ac­ter­is­tics, 30 round mag­a­zine capac­ity, and good ter­mi­nal bal­lis­tics).
    We could play this what if game all day. The point is, that right now the armed forces are sad­dled with the M16/​M4 and the 5.56 and the brass are in no hurry to change (just like “Dugout Doug”) from that car­tridge. one can only hope that they see the error of their ways and adopt a bet­ter, more mod­u­lar, eas­ier to main­tain rifle, and/​or a bet­ter car­tridge.
    Please, let us not speak ill of the dead anymore.

    Reply
  16. Nick says:
    May 3, 2008 at 11:08 am

    I am cur­rently deployed in Northern Iraq, as a com­pany armorer in a Stryker bat­tal­ion. I work with small arms and crew served weapons every day, and I have yet to see seri­ous prob­lems with the M4/​M16. The most jam­ming prob­lems we have are with our M249s, but this is due to age and wear on the weapons.
    Don’t get me wrong, I hate the M4. It is the filth­i­est oper­at­ing weapon I have ever seen, but it doesn’t seem to jam.
    Here’s what I believe is the truth. The M4/​M16 has come a long way since Vietnam, and along the way, the Army has worked out what the man­u­fac­tur­ing tol­er­ances need to be to keep them from jam­ming at the first sign of sand or dust. If any­thing, I find this more irri­tat­ing than if they jammed all the time, because DoD is not going to pay hun­dreds of mil­lions of dol­lars to replace weapons that work.
    Most of the guys around here who com­plain about the reli­a­bil­ity of the M4 will tell you, if you press them on the issue, that they have never had their weapon jam. They still hate the things. We have seen too many insur­gents take three or four rounds to the chest and run away to feel any dif­fer­ent.
    I was able to get our snipers some M14’s with SAGE stocks, and they work bet­ter than any­thing else we’ve seen. Forty year old rifles, sure, but so far every­one the snipers shot with them went down and stayed there. In the end, isn’t that what really matters?

    Reply
  17. Joe says:
    May 4, 2008 at 3:08 am

    So let me get this clear: we are train­ing peo­ple how to shoot bet­ter, and giv­ing them our guns so they can be more accu­rate the next time they need to shoot at us for some rea­son?
    Does this make any sense? Do we really need to train poten­tial sharp­shoot­ers who aren’t really sure whether they are on our side or not?
    Brilliant.

    Reply
  18. Daniel says:
    May 4, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Joe makes a good point– we trained and armed a lot of the insur­gants that are fight­ing today. Who is to say that after we leave, another nut is going to take con­trol of all those rifles?
    On the other hand, we do not want to be there for­ever, so we have to try and build a lit­tle sta­bil­ity. At least if they shoot at us ten years from now, it will be with 5.56 not 7.62x54.
    Which brings up another inter­est­ing point. Using the 5.56 will come in handy if we ever need to restrict the flow of ammo, incase they DO start shoot­ing at us. They will either have to learn to dye and load their own, or not piss off the US or Israel, where most of it orig­i­nates.
    Lets just hope that no one desides to give them weapons and ammo man­u­fac­tur­ing plants until a good thirty years from now!

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  19. Dormato says:
    July 16, 2008 at 7:24 am

    Dumb, these peo­ple will prob­a­bly be our ene­mies in 10 years? Something tells me this had some­thing to do with “equal oppor­tu­nity” or some sort of polit­i­cally cor­rect non­sense over the Afghan’s feel­ing “unequal” becuase they shoot the AK.

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  20. Corey Wilcox says:
    July 31, 2008 at 7:50 am

    This is a smart step because its giv­ing the Iraq mil­i­tary fire­power and a sym­bolic dis­con­nec­tion from the insur­gency. This early in the game U.S inspec­tors will HAVE to stay and man the name charts and bio­met­ric scan­ners or the whole sys­tem will break down.

    Reply
  21. P.J. Busche says:
    September 1, 2008 at 8:34 am

    M16A2s for the Afghan Army? Yeah, we’ll really piss-​​off the Afghans now. I’ve shot expert twice with the M16A2; the sites are excel­lent, oth­er­wise you can throw the rest of the rifle away.

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  22. herohero says:
    September 22, 2008 at 10:44 am

    It’s prob­a­bly true that Colt wants to guar­an­tee some busi­ness by sell­ing parts to the ANA, and the US is more than happy to get rid of its old rifles.
    The ANA got away with tak­ing lousy care of their AKs but this won’t work very long with the M16 series. Improper clean­ing will lead to unre­li­a­bil­ity. Sure, the M16 has bet­ter sights and much bet­ter ergonom­ics, but the AK has fewer mov­ing parts and will last much longer.
    Therefore, the AK is prob­a­bly a bet­ter choice for such a prim­i­tive army (and culture).

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  23. tokeepandbear says:
    September 23, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    I have only one ques­tion: Where are all the sur­plussed AKs going? (I’ll take three, please.)

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  24. Tony says:
    March 23, 2009 at 1:32 am

    Umm… What? You can’t pos­si­bly be seri­ous. The M16 is a good weapon, but bet­ter than the AK? I think the dura­bil­ity is more than enough for me to sac­ri­fice a lit­tle range of my projectile.

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