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Home » The Tanker Tango » Aussie KC-​​30 (EADS) Needs Mods

Aussie KC-​​30 (EADS) Needs Mods

This arti­cle first appeared in Aerospace Daily & Defense Report.

The Australian Multi-​​Role Tanker Transport (MRTT), the first devel­op­men­tal Airbus A330-​​based tanker, has been grounded since March while receiv­ing new parts for its refu­el­ing boom sys­tem.

The MRTT also is receiv­ing some pro­duc­tion con­fig­u­ra­tion equip­ment, such as the remote air refu­el­ing sta­tion and other mis­sion sys­tems, dur­ing this time on the ground. This fol­lows what Northrop Grumman offi­cials say was the first phase of MRTT flight-​​test last year and this year.

The MRTT is expected to return to flight by September, accord­ing to Tim Paynter, a Northrop Grumman spokesman. He declined to pro­vide dates for when the A330-​​based boom is expected to trans­fer fuel in flight to a receiver.

What is actu­ally being done to the boom dur­ing this period is a bit murky. The boom will receive some addi­tional parts and mod­i­fi­ca­tions while the air­craft is on the ground. The actual struc­ture of the boom on the MRTT will remain on the air­craft. But, EADS is switch­ing out some parts and bring­ing it up to a full pro­duc­tion con­fig­u­ra­tion, Paynter said.

This is the same boom that was show­cased by EADS dur­ing last years Paris Air Show. EADS has devel­oped this boom specif­i­cally to com­pete with Boeing in the inter­na­tional tanker mar­ket. The boom on the A330 has not yet been extended dur­ing flight.


The boom sys­tem has been fly­ing on an A310 test bed con­duct­ing var­i­ous risk reduc­tion activ­i­ties. It first passed fuel to a receiver, an F-​​16, on Feb. 29 (Aerospace DAILY, April 4).

William Welser, Northrop Grumman Air Mobility Systems vice pres­i­dent, dis­cussed the plans for MRTT dur­ing a lun­cheon April 29 in Arlington, Va., hosted by the National Aeronautical Association. Until this brief­ing, Northrop Grumman and EADS North America, its U.S. tanker part­ner, had been tight-​​lipped about the sys­tems sta­tus.

The Australian tanker pro­gram was pre­vi­ously restruc­tured to allow more time for devel­op­ment, though a slide in Welsers brief­ing says the pro­gram is now on sched­ule, on per­for­mance [and] on cost. It is slated for deliv­ery to Australia in March 2009.

The Northrop Grumman/​EADS North America team won the U.S. Air Forces con­tract for devel­op­ment of a future tanker in February, but work has been stopped on the pro­gram since last month when Boeing, its rival, filed a protest of the award with the Government Accountability Office. GAO is expected to rule on the mat­ter June 19.

Read more on this story, Lockheed’s Vulture UAV, threats to LCS2 and the big fighter comp in India from our friends at Aviation Week over on Military​.com.

– Christian

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  1. jimmyjets says:
    May 1, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    Airbus A330-​​based tanker, has been grounded since March finally more dirt on the junk tanker from over seas , Can’t do it one the Airbus. Yea its on time yea right. junk pure and sim­ple the aussies are think­ing they made a mistake.

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  2. SMSgt Mac says:
    May 1, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    “first devel­op­men­tal Airbus A330-​​based tanker”…
    “switch­ing out some parts and bring­ing it up to a full pro­duc­tion con­fig­u­ra­tion”…
    “slated for deliv­ery to Australia in March 2009″
    [sarc] Oh yeah, panic time [/​sarc]
    Yawn…You wish Jimmy Boy, you wish.

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  3. Paul says:
    May 2, 2008 at 12:43 am

    Have not heard any­thing much in the Australian media about the tankers. Much more about the fighter replace­ment pro­gram.
    http://​www​.theaus​tralian​.news​.com​.au/​d​e​f​e​n​ce/

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  4. maritimepatrol says:
    May 2, 2008 at 4:16 am

    So the A330 MRTT really IS a piece a junk. Not that it’s sur­pris­ing really. Boeing does make a bet­ter prod­uct, after all. Here’s to hop­ing this helps to play a part in junk­ing this ridicu­lous con­tract with Airbus. No Eurotrash tankers for our Air Force!

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  5. emu says:
    May 3, 2008 at 4:33 am

    Well at least the RAAF’s A330-​​based tanker has flown, the flyby wire boom is fly­ing and has passed fuel from the A310 test­bed. Boeings tanker hasn’t even been put together from parts from Japan and Italy yet, is their flyby wire boom been installed — NO, tested NO, a 30 odd year old design way out of its league.

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  6. hasdrubal says:
    May 3, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Why is it that all the com­ments on the KC-​​X com­pe­ti­tion are either ‘Boeing sucks’ or ‘Airbus sucks?’ Both planes are con­verted air­lin­ers. I think if either com­pany had seri­ous prob­lems ala deHav­il­land Comet, the com­mer­cial mar­ket would have dis­cov­ered it by now.
    How com­pli­cated is a fuel boom? I’m sure that both com­pa­nies are capa­ble of work­ing out the bugs in a pipe with fins on it. Is it more sophis­ti­cated than I just made it sound? Sure, but so are the engi­neer­ing capa­bil­i­ties of both Boeing and Airbus.
    To me, the real issue is in the rules of the com­pe­ti­tion. It sounds like the Airbus team used polit­i­cal lever­age (fall­out from the lease deal and Congressional demands for a com­pe­ti­tion) to force changes in the Air Force prod­uct require­ments.
    This is prob­a­bly what the GAO inquiry is about– to deter­mine whether or not the com­pe­ti­tion was fairly run. Didn’t Boeing say that the require­ments changed mid com­pe­ti­tion and they were not made aware of all the changes until they were told they had lost?
    Seriously. Both com­pa­nies know how to make a plane. Wait until we find out the whole GAO story to pass judgement.

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  7. LighTning says:
    May 3, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Airbus win 5 com­pe­ti­tions against Boeing.
    _​Royal Air Force
    _​Royal Australian Air Force
    _​United Arab Emirates Air Force
    _​Royal Saudi Air Force
    _​US Air Force
    And Boeing has got a bet­ter plane??
    Please, you can accept (for this time) that boe­ing has not made a great plane
    I’m french (don’t hurt me^^) and when I read your coments, I think about the french com­ments for the Morocco figther con­tract, the South Korean fighter con­trat…
    We writ­ing exactly the same coments: “The Rafale is bet­ter than F16 Block 52 or F15K, it’s intol­er­a­ble that they can buy US prod­ucts. USA uses pol­i­tics and corup­tion to win…“
    Finally we are not so dif­fer­ent.^^
    See you this sum­mer aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt with our Rafale F2. :)
    Sorry for my eng­lish, I’m not good for other lan­guage. :s

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  8. pfcem says:
    May 3, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    LighTning,
    The Royal Air Force, Royal Australian Air Force, United Arab Emirates Air Force & Royal Saudi Air Force are TOTALLY dif­fer­ent from the USAF & Boeing DID win the 1st com­pe­ti­tion for the USAF (which was not much of a com­pe­ti­tion given how obvi­ous it was to any­one who knew jack about USAF tanker needs/​requirements that the 767 was the cor­rect choice). Also don’t fool your­self into think­ing pol­i­tics & such did/​do not have any bear­ing on ANY defense con­tract.
    It is not which is the “bet­ter plane” (both have their strengths & weak­nesses & which some­one con­sid­ers “bet­ter” is based on which strengths & weak­nesses they consider/​ignor the most &/​or if they are fooled by over­sim­pli­fided 1-​​vs-​​1 spec­i­fi­ca­tion com­par­isons) but which is the “bet­ter plane” for the job.

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  9. LighTning says:
    May 4, 2008 at 4:45 am

    I know that, thx. ;)
    Sorry, I have for­got­ten that KC45 is dif­fer­ent that the MRTT. :(
    The KC 767 has got prob­lems with boom (it’s fact)
    What do you want for your USAF?? The best plane for the job, no??
    In Europe, in France, we were sur­prised when USAF said that KC45 won the con­tract, in France, we thought to have 5 per­cent to win.^^
    The KC45 and all A330 will make in USA, in France, air­bus usine are not at the party.
    You think you loose, we think we loose (crasy world isn’t it??^^)
    And in France, we are not good to win fighter con­tract, our pol­i­tics thinks this is the same as sell a car… (but for nuclear reac­tor, they under­stand…)
    In fact, we loose the Morocco con­tract because we were dude. :s
    For the Korean con­tract, it’s pol­i­tics (usa are a bet­ter allie that France, it’s clear…)
    But, for the first time, USAF pre­fer buy a plane for tech­ni­cally rea­son and not for pol­i­tics rea­son.
    Don’t worry, we are like you, we don’t like when we don’t buy french mate­r­ial.^^
    Have a nice day. :)

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  10. Smith says:
    May 4, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    I’m not sur­prised that some work is needed to bring the A330 MRTT into spec. That is what engi­neer­ing is. But for those who insult an entire con­ti­nent based on such things is to insult every­one who lis­tens to them.
    I can guar­an­tee you that the KC-​​45, whether made by Airbus or Boeing, will be late and/​or over bud­get. If you take that as a given, then much of this need­less rant­ing is irrelevant.

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  11. pfcem says:
    May 4, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    LighTning,
    Yes I want the best plane for the job & in the real world (as apposed to the unre­al­is­tic alter­nate one cre­ated for the KC-​​X CMARPS model JUST SO THAT THE KC-​​30 COULD BE COMPETATIVE SO THERE WOULD BE A COMPETITION) for the USAF that plane is the KC-​​767. Remember that we are replac­ing KC-​​135s & not because they are not capa­ble enough but because they are OLD & EXPENSIVE to main­tain.
    The KC-​​30 was cho­sen for POLITICAL rea­sons rather than tech­ni­cal rea­sons. If it had not been for pol­i­tics, the USAF would (assum­ing deliv­ery on sched­ule) ALREADY have the 20 KC-​​767 lease tankers & have the last batch of the 80 pur­chased KC-​​767 tankers about the same time we may (again, assum­ing deliv­ery on sched­ule) receive the FIRST batch of KC-​​45. If it had not been for pol­i­tics the USAF would not have been forced to change its require­ments to bet­ter suite the KC-​​30 JUST SO THAT THE KC-​​30 COULD BE COMPETATIVE SO THERE WOULD BE A COMPETITION.

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  12. LighTning says:
    May 5, 2008 at 5:12 am

    Well, if you say that… but I’m not totally con­vinced.^^
    I under­stand, it’s incred­i­ble that the USAF can be choose a for­eigner tanker (this is a strate­gic plane, a mul­ti­plier force).
    In europe, we can listen/​read that the MRTT or KC45 is not only a tanker, but a cargo too.
    And it’s good for USAF to have an plane with this capac­ity to sup­port C17 who are highly sought. (I sup­pose it was for that, the USAF choose the plane but your coments make me doubt.)
    If the USAF want only a tanker to replace KC135 with not other capac­ity, yes it’s ridicu­lous to buy KC45, and I under­stand your coments. :)
    For Airbus delay, I’m not agree with you Smith, the pro­to­type fly, he hasn’t got prob­lem unlike KC767. (for the price, it’s another prob­lem^^)
    And for delay, it’s a lit­tle prob­lem, regard­ing the Pentagone pro­grams, and A400M pro­gram in europe ;)
    In a fran­coph­one forum, we had dis­cussed about the pro­gram, and I found this com­par­a­tive of Airbus:
    http://​www​.check​six​-forums​.com/​s​h​o​w​t​h​r​e​a​d​.​p​h​p​?​t​=​1​4​3​0​6​7​&​a​m​p​;​p​a​g​e=8
    It’s inter­est­ing to see the dif­fer­ent opin­ion. Please, read the other page. :)
    Have a nice day.

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  13. Tickers says:
    October 22, 2008 at 5:20 am

    Only a nut­ter would insist an air­craft which hasn’t even flown yet is supe­rior to one which has.

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  14. Leif says:
    February 26, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Since after reeval­u­a­tion by the USAF and GAO, Boeing actu­ally won the com­pe­ti­tion, why don’t they just award the con­tract to Boeing? After all, they won the com­pe­ti­tion fair and square.
    It’s kind of like using an instant replay for sports. It’s the most fair, the quick­est AND the cheap­est way to go.

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  15. Leif says:
    February 26, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Hey Tickers, you’re talk­ing about the KC-​​767 being the air­craft that has flown and the KC-​​30 is that one that hasn’t, right? Or are you a com­plete moron?

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