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Home » Polmar's Perspective » The F-​​117 Nighthawk is Gone… We Think!

The F-​​117 Nighthawk is Gone… We Think!

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The F-​​117 Nighthawk — the U.S. Air Force’s greatly touted stealth attack air­craft — is gone. At least, we think it’s gone — can one really be cer­tain with a stealth air­plane? The air­craft, which won com­bat hon­ors dur­ing oper­a­tions over Panama, Serbia, and Iraq, was offi­cially retired in late April after a 27-​​year ser­vice life.

“It was a mis­take to retire them,” said Dr. Richard Hallion, for­mer his­to­rian of the Air Force and spe­cial assis­tant to that service’s sec­re­tary. Hallion explained to this writer that the large num­ber of F-​​16 and F-​​15 fighter-​​type air­craft flown by the Air Force are not stealthy and the num­ber of F-​​22 Raptors, which do have stealth char­ac­ter­is­tics, are too few in num­ber to meet the U.S. need for low-​​observable strike aircraft.

Cited by the Air Force as the world’s first oper­a­tional air­craft designed to exploit low observ­able — stealth — tech­nol­ogy, the F-​​117A entered ser­vice in 1982. Through 1990 Lockheed built 59 air­craft at a Burbank facility.

The F-​​117 first flew in com­bat dur­ing the U.S. inva­sion of Panama in 1989 that led to the cap­ture of dic­ta­tor Manuel Noriega. F-​​117s were also flown in the air cam­paign over Serbia in 1999, and were among the first air­craft to strike tar­gets in the Persian Gulf War in 1991 and in the inva­sion of Iraq in 2003.

One F-​​117 was shot down by Serbian anti-​​aircraft fire on 27 March 1999. Serbian forces launched Soviet-​​provided “Neva-​​M” mis­siles (NATO des­ig­na­tion SA-​​3 Goa) to down the F-​​117A ser­ial num­ber 82–806. The pilot ejected after the air­craft was struck and was sub­se­quently res­cued by Allied forces.

According to then-​​NATO com­man­der General Wesley Clark and other NATO offi­cials, Serbian air defenses found that they could detect F-​​117s with their radars oper­at­ing on unusu­ally long wave­lengths. This made the air­craft vis­i­ble by radars for short times.

The wreck­age of the F-​​117 was not imme­di­ately bombed due to pos­si­ble media fall­out from news footage show­ing civil­ians around the wreck­age. The Serbs were believed to have invited Russian per­son­nel to inspect the remains, inevitably com­pro­mis­ing the U.S. stealth technology.

Some of the wreck­age is report­edly on dis­play at the Museum of Yugoslav Aviation close to Belgrade’s Nikola Tesla Airport.

During the 1991 air cam­paign against Iraq, the F-​​117 was the only coali­tion air­craft to fly over Baghdad. (The Navy’s ship-​​launched Tomahawk cruise mis­siles also “flew” over Saddam’s cap­i­tal city.)

F-​​117s flew com­bat mis­sions only at night, hence their name Nighthawk.

The F-​​117 was born at the Lockheed “Skunk Works” in Burbank, California, the same design facil­ity that pro­duced the ultra-​​secret U-​​2 and SR-​​71 spy­planes. A pro­duc­tion deci­sion was made in 1978 and the first flight was made on 18 June 1981. The single-​​seat F-117’s low-​​observable char­ac­ter­is­tics were derived from both its bat-​​like shape, with twin tur­bo­fan engines “buried” in the “boxy” fuse­lage. Capable of in-​​flight refu­el­ing, in 1992 F-​​117s flew non-​​stop from Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, to Kuwait, a flight of approx­i­mately 18–1/2 hours — a record for single-​​seat fight­ers that still stands.

Although des­ig­nated as a “fighter,” the F-​​117 had no air-​​to-​​air capa­bil­i­ties. It was an attack air­craft that could carry some 4,000 pounds of bombs or mis­siles in an inter­nal weapons bay.

The first F-​​117s were retired in December 2006. The sur­viv­ing air­craft will be stored in hangars at a secret loca­tion in Nevada. Their spe­cial stor­age is based on retain­ing the secrecy of their spe­cial fea­tures rather than any con­sid­er­a­tion of some­day reac­ti­vat­ing the planes.

– Norman Polmar

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  1. Roy Smith says:
    May 8, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    When ever we retire weapons sys­tems with­out ade­quate replacements,the excuse always is that some­thing bet­ter is coming.….some day in our lifetime,or.….there is no cred­i­ble threat to justfy keep­ing such a weapon around.“We have never had any cred­i­ble threat from enemy air forces since WWII,blah,blah,blah,yadda,yadda,yadda.“This excuse jus­ti­fies gut­ting our fighter air­craft & anti-​​air artillery resources.The F-​​117 was a stealth Strike Fighter/Fighter-Bomber.It’s pri­mary mis­sion was to BOMB things​.It has not been proven that the F-​​22 can BOMB things & the F-​​35 is still a very long ways away.But then,we’ll just use the “saw” that “there is no cred­i­ble threat to jus­tify keep­ing the F-​​117.” The next thing you know,they’ll scrap every F-117(just like they did the F-​​14s) because Iran might get a hold of one.You mean,because there is a fear that cor­rupt & trai­tor­ous Americans would SELL F-​​117s to Iran? We don’t need all of these weapons because the cold war’s over & we are fight­ing prim­i­tive ter­ror­ists hid­ing in caves(with IEDs,internet,movie studios,etc.).…

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  2. Camp says:
    May 8, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    Maybe they could turn the remain­ing F117s into drones & put them to use… in live or mock tar­get prac­tice, readi­ness drills (pen­e­trat­ing US air­space), or as a decoy car­rier & lead pen­e­tra­tor. If I recall cor­rectly, the air­craft flew mostly by com­puter assis­tance already.… Eh, just a crazy thought. :)

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  3. Foreign.Boy says:
    May 8, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Maybe they are just upgrad­ing the tech­nol­ogy and hid­ing it away until needed. Letting peo­ple think they don’t have the air craft will make it pos­si­ble to regain the ele­ment of surprise.

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  4. Some Guy says:
    May 8, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Shenanigans.
    There were about 52 F-​​117s remain­ing in the fleet when they were retired. Currently, there are about 91 active F-​​22s (with more com­ing).
    So we now have larger num­bers of a more capa­ble air­craft. Where’s the problem?

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  5. Roy Smith says:
    May 8, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Turning them into drones is not a bad idea.China is sup­posed to be con­vert­ing their old obso­lete Ba-5(J-5/MiG-17) & J-7(MiG-21) fight­ers into UCAVs,although now the sight says that they are “tar­get” drones.The orig­i­nal plan was to make them in effect “cruise mis­siles” that could crash into air­ports or depots or.…naval ships.They could also be armed with anti-​​ship mis­siles to fire before they go “Kamakaze.“
    The F-​​117 could still do what it’s made to do,except unmanned this time.

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  6. Roy Smith says:
    May 8, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Who says that all of our UCAVs have to be bright,shiny,& new? You could con­vert almost all of those F-​​15s into UCAVs also.Make them more than just “tar­get drones.” Whats the harm in doing that? what “pre­cious” project would lose out by mak­ing air­craft we already have,& des­per­ately want to retire to make room for F-​​22s & F-35s,into UCAVs.

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  7. Brian says:
    May 8, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Roy, the F-​​22 can carry bombs and has dropped them before.
    One of the big costs of air­craft is main­te­nance, so if you con­vert a bunch of old F-​​15s to uavs, you still have to pay the upkeep costs. So they’ll be really expen­sive to oper­ate, even if you get them for free.

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  8. vince says:
    May 8, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    The F22 can bomb tar­gets and at far higher alti­tudes mov­ing far faster than the 117s. With the SDBs it can carry 8 pre­ci­sion weapons inter­nally, super cruise, fly at 60,000 feet, and has far and away bet­ter radar than the 117s. It is a bet­ter plane in every way. The USAF needs to save $ to buy new sys­tems, it’s as sim­ple as that. Same rea­son they wanted to stand down some of the B52s, and the B1s, to save costs.

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  9. WR says:
    May 8, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    HumanPestControl,
    You think that the F-​​117, F-​​15, F-​​22, and F-​​35 are either not good for the job or are increas­ingly a pipe dream. Please tell us what you see or what the US should do regard­ing mil­i­tary fighter and/​or attack air­craft.
    Yes, Roy with his APOSTATE Elders of Zion can be a laugh.

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  10. HumanPestControl says:
    May 8, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Yes.
    Trying to keep the bud­get sit­u­a­tion in mind. I know every­one wants their toys for every imag­in­able sce­nario one dreams up, but REALITY gets in the way.
    The USAF wants their new future toys, F-​​22 and F-​​35, next gen bombers..etc, (ques­tion­able rel­e­vance), but they can’t buy them with their bud­get. There is no way in hell the AF will get more money, prob­a­bly get even less of the pie in the future. Have to sac­ri­fice today’s use­less toys, like the F-​​117, F-​​15C, for tomor­row.
    The F-​​117 is now obso­lete for its sin­gle mis­sion, and has no way to be upgraded. Can only carry 2 bombs inter­nally, any­way.
    The F-​​15C is falling apart, and there is not an Air to Air threat of any kind to jus­tify the expense. The 180 F-22’s are all that we need for that unlikely air to air mis­sion. The F-​​22 will never be used for ground attack. Marketing ploy only, even if it does have lim­ited ground attack capa­bil­ity.
    The F-​​35 multi-​​role, multi-​​service plane would be great, but won’t see it before 2015, and its costs are out of con­trol, and gets worse every FY. Back to the bud­get again. Seven more years is an eter­nity in today’s fast pace world. That is why I have my doubts it will sur­vive, as it stands now.
    I would love to have more manned ground attack/​CAS capa­bil­ity, with or with­out ‘stealth’, but that is not hap­pen­ing. The F-​​15E, F-​​16, A-​​10, retired F-​​111, B-​​1B, B-52s…etc. Nothing going on in the future, unless the F-​​35 arrives. All the ground attack action today seems to go towards loi­ter time, ie UCAV’s. We need a shit load of UCAV’s right now, any­way. I don’t think the AF cul­ture is a big fan of UCAV, though.

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  11. Camp says:
    May 8, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    ‘Maybe con­vert­ing F-​​15s into “Cruise Missiles“‘…
    I can see it now. Johnny Taliban is fir­ing off his AK-​​47 at US sol­diers, only took look into the sky with bewil­der­ment, as a remote F-​​15 rolls in headed right for him… and at the last moment a smi­ley face is seen, painted on the canopy! :p
    The F-​​22 dis­cus­sion reminds me of this old pic…
    “Sacrifice“
    http://​op​-for​.com/​b​u​f​f​-​4​-​r​a​p​t​o​r​s​.​jpg

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  12. Kyle says:
    May 8, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    HumanPestControl:
    From Wikipedia: “In test­ing, a Raptor dropped a 1,000 lb (450 kg) JDAM from 50,000 feet (15,000 m), while cruis­ing at Mach 1.5, strik­ing a mov­ing tar­get 24 miles (39 km) away.“
    Yeah, that sounds like severely lim­ited ground attack capa­bil­ity to me.
    “We need a shit load of UCAV’s right now, any­way. I don’t think the AF cul­ture is a big fan of UCAV, though.“
    Sounds like you don’t know too many peo­ple in the Air Force…

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  13. stephen russell says:
    May 8, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Modify F117 for more bombs, 2nd crew­man?
    big­ger fuel load, improved engines & avion­ics, fwd swept wing?
    Just tweak the air­frame & elec­tr­nics to upgrade F117.
    Carry bombs & mis­siles in mini cylin­der mod­ule.
    Or in pod Gun??
    Its doable.

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  14. pfcem says:
    May 8, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    Remember that the F-​​117 was not KNOWN to the gen­eral pub­lic (yes there were SOME who did) until 1989 when it entered ser­vice in 1982…
    I guar­an­tee that the USAF now has SOMETHING (feel free to spec­u­late what THAT might be) that has made the F-​​117 redundant/​obsolete. And like the vast major­ity of out cur­rent forces, the F-​​117s were pro­cured in the 1980s, mak­ing them 20+ years old & pro­hib­i­tively expen­sive to maintain.

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  15. HumanPestControl says:
    May 9, 2008 at 12:14 am

    To Kyle:
    I am very aware of the F-22’s air and ground capa­bil­i­ties. I was a major F-​​22 fan­boy dur­ing the ’90’s, but it came 15 years too late, and too expen­sive for a sin­gle mis­sion manned plane. Now I am basher. The ground attack role is a very lim­ited after­thought, and will never be used. Not impressed. Cool tests, but not use­ful enough for ground com­bat.
    Dropping 8 SDB, or 2 1000 pound JDAM, LOL. Just try­ing to jus­tify a 120 mil­lion dol­lar fighter jet, that has no cur­rent air to air uses, and no ground uses, ever. The AF already decided they could not make a ground attack ver­sion, like the F-​​15E. Better stick to shad­ow­ing the Russian Bombers near Alaska, because that is what it was designed to do. Cannot even afford a 2 seat trainer ver­sion or much actual flight time. Simulations galore.
    (Using the B2 in Afghanistan was not really a good idea either, but at least it has a pay­load and range to bring the pain, which the F22 does not.)
    I think the AF is more inter­ested in con­trol­ling UCAV’s devel­op­ment and acqui­si­tions, keep­ing the Marines and Army from med­dling, than actu­ally mak­ing it a pri­or­ity any­time soon. Some call it a plane, oth­ers call it a weapon sys­tem. That is the cul­ture. I am sure the younger AF per­son­nel love them, but the ones whom make the deci­sions, appear to me to be skep­ti­cal. Others slso share my view.

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  16. Patron Vectras says:
    May 9, 2008 at 12:59 am

    Makes me think that Skunk Works has some­thing in the wings already…
    Seriously; we most def­i­nitely have an ace in the hole on this one. If we don’t, then the nation is screwed.

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  17. Leon Trotsky says:
    May 9, 2008 at 9:26 am

    I believe the Serbian SAM com­man­der that hit the F-​​117 also nailed another NATO air­craft on a sep­a­rate occa­sion. Sorry I can’t find a link to the guy’s story, but here’s the gist. He was a clever fel­low who knew his job well and under­stood the tech­nol­ogy inside and out. The main tac­tic was to keep the radar off until he had a tar­get in range. That was done through a net­work of observers using cell phones. I believe he actu­ally had a visual on one of the two planes before he lit up the radar. The task was eased by the mis­sion planner’s com­pla­cency in using sim­i­lar flight paths over and over. You can’t assume tech­nol­ogy will always beat a smart and dis­ci­plined opponent.

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  18. vince says:
    May 9, 2008 at 10:27 am

    I think some peo­ple are con­fused with what ground attack means. The F22s role will not be as CAS. It’s an open­ing hours of a con­flict option as oth­ers have pointed out that will clear paths for fol­low on forces like bombers.
    8 weapons per planes is plenty. Each can be pro­grammed for dif­fer­ent tar­gets. I think alot of peo­ple assume to that you need 50 bombs to get things done. Even bombers on strike mis­sions usu­ally aren’t engag­ing more than a few tar­get sets.
    Modifying the F117 means spend­ing money on a very old design to make it closer in capa­bil­ity to some­thing we now have that is bet­ter.
    The F35 will do just fine once they are done. All the nay say­ers make me laugh. In my life I have lis­tened to how the Nimitz class, the M1, the M2, the Apache, the C17, the Stryker, B1, B2, and I can’t remem­ber how many other sys­tems were all junk that were going to be huge fail­ures. Somehow they seemed to all per­form pretty decent.

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  19. HumanPestControl says:
    May 9, 2008 at 11:07 am

    You could say some­thing MIGHT hap­pen because of the capa­bil­i­ties some­one thinks they have, like the F22 drop­ping bombs on high val­ued ground tar­gets dur­ing the open­ing phase of another unlikely con­ven­tional war; BUT I AM TELLING YOU WHAT WILL HAPPEN. The F22 will never drop bombs, and never shoot down another air­craft. Sorry. The F22 is not a ‘stealth’ bomber, like the F117 and B2. But you can keep jus­ti­fy­ing the F22 ground role all you want to.
    Its (F22) only pur­pose it to DETER unfriendly coun­tries, not to fly their mas­sive fleets of high tech fight­ers or bombers (?) against us, dur­ing some con­flict that a US Pres dreams up.[had to throw that it in]
    Your response is no one can pre­dict the future, and bring up WW1 or WW2 or Vietnam F4’s, or whatever.

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  20. ADyer says:
    May 9, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    As I under­stand it the F-​​22 requires no mod­i­fi­ca­tions to do the F-117’s job. If you think the F-​​22 is too expen­sive to do ground attack mis­sions, what the hell did you think of the F-​​117. I’m bet­ting that when you adjust for infla­tion, the F-​​117 turns out to be the more expen­sive jet.
    The only real down­side of the F-​​22 vs the F117 is the inabil­ity to mark its own tar­gets for laser guided weapons, but in almost every case pas­sively guided weapons should do the job just fine.

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  21. Camp says:
    May 9, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    Regarding the Serbian shoot down of the F-​​117: I seem to remem­ber dis­cus­sion at the time of tech­ni­cal assis­tance being pro­vided by the Chinese. That the Chinese sup­pos­edly had some ideas regard­ing track­ing the F-​​117 with long wave radar and used the con­flict to share the ideas with the Serbs.
    I also remem­ber shortly after the F-​​117 was shot down the U.S. “acci­den­tally” bombed the Chinese embassy.

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  22. elijah says:
    May 10, 2008 at 11:52 am

    methinks that if the rap­tor would be a lot more read­ily accepted if it looked more like the nighthawk (or gasp, the most exotic YF-​​23 was cho­sen instead). The rap­tor just looks so…conventional com­pared to the nighthawk and spirit that peo­ple have a hard time match­ing the cost and what it’s capa­ble of to its appear­ance.
    per­haps the air­force should just go ahead and paint all the rap­tors black…(that was sup­posed to be sar­casm, but one sec­ond thought, that would look incred­i­bly cool)

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  23. pfcem says:
    May 10, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    HumanPestControl,
    You are absolutely wrong about the F-​​22.
    The F-​​22 more than likely WILL drop bombs (which is very much part of its mis­sion) & shoot down another air­craft.
    Deterance IS NOT the F-22’s only pur­pose. Its pur­pose is to ensure US air dom­i­nace by being able to shoot down other air­craft (& drop bombs) with relative/​comparative impunity.

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  24. ELP says:
    May 12, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    The USAF his­to­rian is wrong. F-​​117 may be able to do some things in a legacy IADS but not mod­ern ones like what are form­ing today with S-​​300 and S-​​400_​like SAM sys­tems being fielded in the com­ing years.
    The F-​​22 doesn’t just depend on stealth to give it an edge: Super cruise and a higher alti­tude and pas­sive sen­sors like the AN/​ALR-​​94 that can geo locate emit­ters give it a sig­nif­i­cant edge. SEAD/​DEAD of high-​​end threats will be it’s mis­sion.
    No way will the F-​​117 sur­vive a mod­ern IADS. Lack of use­ful sen­sors, sub­sonic means that in a neg­a­tive stealth event, it’s all over. Comments by LM after the F-​​117 shoot­down state that even a sim­ple turn­ing maneu­ver can kill your RCS by a fac­tor of 100 or more. Stealth is use­ful but it isn’t the be-​​all, end-​​all.
    Then of course there is the main­te­nance of the F-​​117 which sux and of course the near non-​​existent fund­ing of U.S. stand-​​off jam­ming. Hope no one is count­ing on the slow, pudgy Grower (escort jam­mer) to save their stealth hide. This includes Growler being fielded with yesterday’s jam­ming gear. Operation Shoestring.

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  25. nic says:
    June 4, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    i was wounder­ing how many f-117’s were made in 2008. i would also like to know how many have been shot down and how much fuel it uses in one flight. i would dearly like to know these answers for a project

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  26. nic says:
    June 4, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    please answer back as quick as u can

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  27. iro zeny says:
    August 13, 2008 at 9:36 pm

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