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Home » Polmar's Perspective » A Super Secret Sub Base?

A Super Secret Sub Base?

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Has China “secretly built a major under­ground nuclear sub­ma­rine base that could threaten Asian coun­tries and chal­lenge American power in the region”? Thomas Harding, writ­ing in the London Daily Telegraph early this month, has declared that it is.

According to Hardy, “Satellite imagery, passed to The Daily Telegraph, shows that a sub­stan­tial har­bour has been built which could house a score of nuclear bal­lis­tic mis­sile sub­marines and a host of air­craft car­ri­ers.“

The threat from Chinese sub­marines, long touted by “hard lin­ers” in the West, now includes the bal­lis­tic mis­sile sub­ma­rine base and pro­tec­tive tun­nels for the craft being con­structed at Sanya on the south­ern tip of Hainan Island in the South China Sea.

The report comes almost simul­ta­ne­ously with word that a Chinese Type 094 (NATO Jin-​​class) bal­lis­tic mis­sile sub­ma­rine was sighted at the base in satel­lite images. Also vis­i­ble was a newly con­structed pier that appears to be a demag­ne­ti­za­tion facil­ity for sub­marines. Demagnetization is con­ducted before a sub­ma­rine deploys to remove resid­ual mag­netic fields to reduce the craft’s vul­ner­a­bil­ity to mag­netic mines.

The satel­lite image was taken by the QuickBird com­mer­cial satel­lite on 27 February 2008, and pur­chased by the Federation of American Scientists from DigitalGlobe.

China is believed to have com­pleted two Jin-​​class SSBNs with at least one more unit under con­struc­tion. (An older SSBN is also in ser­vice; see below.) The U.S. Intelligence Community esti­mates that China would prob­a­bly build five SSBNs if it wants to have a near-​​continuous deter­rent at sea. Each Jin-​​class SSSBN will carry 12 JL-​​2 nuclear-​​armed bal­lis­tic mis­siles. A “score” of such sub­marines — as reported in some news­pa­per accounts — seems highly unlikely.


While some Western defense ana­lysts as well as jour­nal­ists are tout­ing this new Chinese capa­bil­ity, it should be noted that there have been sub­ma­rine tun­nels in south­ern Hainan for prob­a­bly two decades or more and that sim­i­lar (albeit smaller) tun­nels are also found at the Northern Fleet’s Jianggezhuang naval base. Indeed, China has long con­structed tun­nels for mil­i­tary (and civil­ian) pur­poses in the even of a nuclear con­flict. This writer vis­ited some of those near the base com­plex of Dairen, near the Soviet-​​Russian bor­der.

Further, while sub­marines could be “hid­den” in the tun­nels, they could be observed by U.S. recon­nais­sance satel­lites as they enter and leave the tun­nels. This pos­si­bil­ity, cou­pled with the likely noise level of the Jin-​​class SSBNs would increase their vul­ner­a­bil­ity to U.S. detec­tion and sur­veil­lance meth­ods.

Also, in wartime, any sub­marines in the tun­nels at the out­break of hos­til­i­ties would be vul­ner­a­ble to the tun­nels being eas­ily blocked by U.S. con­ven­tional or nuclear weapons.

Certainly the Chinese Navy is being mod­ern­ized, although it is sig­nif­i­cantly smaller than it was dur­ing the Cold War era. The slow devel­op­ment pace of China’s SSBN force, the fail­ure of the first Chinese SSBN, the Type 092 (NATO Xia) com­pleted in 1988, to have ever made a deploy­ment, and per­sis­tent reports that a bal­lis­tic mis­sile for the SSBNs is not yet avail­able, raise major ques­tions about this aspect of the “Chinese threat.”

– Norman Polmar

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  1. J House says:
    May 13, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Well, China didn’t really ‘secretly’ build the facil­ity. Construction has been in full view of com­mer­cial imag­ing plat­forms for years.
    Interestingly, the photo that accom­pa­nies the arti­cle doesn’t include the other tun­nel com­plex 6–7 km north of this one. That one is sit­ting under alot of rock.

    Reply
  2. d says:
    May 13, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Probably just our u.s. subs parked there, trad­ing secrets… As I am con­vinced our u.s. gov has been taken over by some peo­ple intent on its destruc­tion.
    why else destroy the economy…?

    Reply
  3. Dennis says:
    May 13, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    D,
    Really, how hard it is to see that our politi­cians are just amaz­ingly short sighted?
    Why not send almost all of our man­u­fac­tur­ing over to one of the last hard line com­mu­nist coun­tries on the planet?
    The coun­try whose only true human right is to be put in front of a fir­ing squad after a “trial” if you get to far out of line?
    The sad part, if you are a cor­po­ra­tion and you build things in the US or even Mexico, and your com­pe­ti­tion goes to China; if you do not fol­low suit, you are out of business.….

    Reply
  4. Brandon says:
    May 13, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    I’m not sure if they are even try­ing to be secra­tive about the under­ground bases or the type094 sub­marines. Look up type 094 on http://​www​.wikipedia​.org. Seems that the U.S.‘s main con­cern is they are not even try­ing to hide their “Big Guns” any­more. What they are keep­ing secret might be way more tech­no­log­i­cally advanced.
    i.e. “J-​​XX”

    Reply
  5. Sven Ortmann says:
    May 14, 2008 at 10:54 am

    They don’t only de-​​magnetize to sur­vive mines — it’s also about the mag­netic anom­aly detec­tors of ASW air­craft (the long pole, usu­ally at the tail, also car­ried on a long rope behind some light­weight ASW helicopters).

    Reply
  6. GI Zhou says:
    May 14, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Those facil­i­ties have been known about for years — Janbe’s has reported them for at least three years. No secret here — just another beat up. Woody Island is so small two or three 2,0000lb JDAMs would put paid to it. All it is is a strip, some fuel tanks, prob­a­bly only one refu­elling point and some light air defence — 14.5mm and prob­a­bly 23mm AAA and some MANPADS. It would be a pretty shirty post­ing liv­ing on a rock in the mid­dle of the South China Sea. At least it has Internet and the a very pretty sea.
    Cheers,
    GI Zhou

    Reply
  7. Roy Smith says:
    May 14, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Secret Submarine Bases don’t mean much because the Chinese don’t really have many submarines,at least as far as nuclear sub­marines go.Most of what they have are Kilo Class Diesel Subs or Kilo “knock-offs”.Now if a sub build­ing facil­ity was in those “under­ground” bases,maybe that would be different.

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