Comments on: What Constitutes an Act of Cyber War?

By: Baniz

Baniz — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:33:52 +0000

Cyber-war can be defined as a problem caused by a power equal to or more than your government. This problem has to take up more time that can be required to fix it.

By: Kevin

Kevin — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:17:32 +0000

To Free falling bomb
I hate to break this news to you but — In testimony before congress High Ranking Government Officials have admitted that 27 tera bytes of DoD data was stolen via hacking from China in 2007. They went on to say that the Pentagon is attacked via cyber hacking 3 million times a day. On average within my corporate clients their systems are attacked over 1250 times a day and finally a government report stated that as many as 40% of computers in the U.S. have been compromised by bots and are part of “BotNets” and that 17% of the DDoS traffic that was used to attack Estonia last year origionated from the U.S
SO with all those acts and no decalared cyber war yet I STAND BY MY STATEMENT
and
WE DO NOT HAVE AN ESTABLISHED SET OF CRITERIA THAT DEFINES AN ACT OF CYBER WAR!

By: freefallingbomb

freefallingbomb — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:53:25 +0000

To the poster “Kevin”:
You wrote: “Espionage and spying goes on continuously and these acts have become so common they are accepted as a norm and not a leading event to war.“
I’m sorry, but you just can’t defend such extreme, shocking, cynical realism and pragmatism towards all others and then simultaneously start your own essay with bomb(-ast)ic phrases like:
“What Constitutes an Act of Cyber War? Throughout history wars have been triggered by events. Being at war is a state or condition.”,
etc. etc. . There was also another recent article here on “defensetech-org” that seemed to try to justify U.S. American Airforce strikes against civilian hackers all over the World, imagine!
What’s good for the goose (= the U.S.A.) is good for the gander/s (= Russia, China, any teen skater and his friends hacking into the Pentagon in a Cyber-Caf

By: Kevin

Kevin — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:18:27 +0000

Free falling bomb
There are many aspects to espionage and not all are preludes to war, for example, corporate espionage. One company conducting espionage operations on another is not a prelude to war. Espionage and spying goes on continuously and these acts have become so common they are accepted as a norm and not a leading event to war. If we were to say that all espionage is an event leading up to war, then we would have to say we are always at war because of how frequent espionage and spying is today. That was the reason I try to establish a very fine line between the two.

By: freefallingbomb

freefallingbomb — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:45:24 +0000

Why does this article here (as well as most of the posters who comment it) try to make any distinction between
1) “war-like” (“war-triggering”?) computer espionage
and
2) (seemingly) “perfectly acceptable” electronic espionage (Echelon) and human espionage (U.S. Embassy staff) ?
Both are preparation for war. For coherence’s sake, both should be dealt with equally.

By: mondo

mondo — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:43:24 +0000

Human rights is a given, and laws addressing this internationally, when someone intrudes in some ones computer, to disrupt, crash a computer system with a virus or hacks information, this should be a crime, no country or agency is above this. I was hacked from China, my software traced this, it was done from 3 different locations, this was attached to pictures of merchandise, I was to sell! It took me 3 days for my computer to function normal. The motherboard later crashed!

By: stephen russell

stephen russell — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:36:22 +0000

Yes when Chinese openly attack US systems.
When cyber terrorists assult key US systems.
When finances Freeze IE ETF.
Then we are at WAR.
Time to rally the forces.
24/7 war in cyberspace.
Expand AF Cyber Command beyond the AF to the Navy 2nd.
We are at war & it can cost us the economy alone.

By: Hooded swan

Hooded swan — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:18:22 +0000

A very good question & even more confusing in the larger context:
1) 10s of 1000s of troops dead in Korea & Vietnam, 1000s more in Iraq, not 1 declaration of war
2) Israel attacks the Liberty in ’67, US aid to Israel increases
3) North Korea seizes the Pueblo in ’69, they “get a by” on account of the Vietnam War
4) Don’t we all want to forget the events before after the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut?
5) The Iraqis attack the Stark in ’87, we go to war against Iran instead
6) It’s too early to talk about the invasion of Iraq with any detachment. Eventually we will be able to.
Before you tell me what is or isn’t a cyber act of war, can you tell me what is the significance of an act of war?

By: marla

marla — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:46:09 +0000

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By: Kevin

Kevin — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:25:26 +0000

So did the hacking of the computers of the Senators’ by the Chinese constitute an act of war? Did the theft of 27 tera bytes of data form DoD in 2007 equate to an act of war?
Based on some of the comments the answer appears to be yes!
So does that mean we are at war?