Comments on: Pinnacle Claims Forgery in Fight

By: steve

steve — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:24:28 +0000

bob you’re right, but you shall not post that. If insurgents read that and get their hands on dragon skin no one will be safe anylonger. Imagine insurgents or terrorists using appropriated Dragon Skin who will suddenly be virtually impervious to most coalition munitions — even multiple 50 cal. rounds to the body at an airport!!!
So better cooperate with good officers.

By: Barnacle Bob

Barnacle Bob — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:33:22 +0000

If by mushrooms you suggest I used something to cause myself to hallucinate while I was writing the aforementioned, then I’d call that some interesting speculation. Maybe, instead, what I wrote resembles how you, yourself, would start to think about the Pinnacle situation after using hallucinogenic mushrooms. In that case, I’d say keep on using — the ‘shrooms are giving you a valuable perspective.

By: tj

tj — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:36:53 +0000

Hey Bob you should stop eating those mushrooms…

By: Barnacle Bob

Barnacle Bob — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 06:13:52 +0000

I believe a good officer should be prepared to lie, cheat and steal at all times. Neal, unfortunately you are up against a lot of “good” officers.
I hope you do beat the hell out of them because you make the preeminent body-armor in the world.
But do try to forgive said U.S. officers for being “good” as I have defined it — they are only doing so because they are ordered to do so.
The fear is that we’ll end up fighting insurgents or terrorists using appropriated Dragon Skin who will suddenly be virtually impervious to most coalition munitions — even multiple 50 cal. rounds to the body.
Everybody knows that our Generals, Contractors and SOCOM guys wear the DragonSkin while current misinformation suggests that this armor is subpar.
But in promoting this dynamic, the U.S. gets the best of both worlds:
1. Top protection for our command personnel and guys in the field who have little in the way of backup to call.
2. And enemy disinterest in obtaining Dragon Skin for their own use.
I know its a kick in the nuts for a company — Pinnacle — that is just trying to provide the best protection for our people in harms way.
But Neal, the psychological hardship you are enduring in this matter is a great national service. Others recognize this and your company will benefit magnficently in the years to come.

By: wembley

wembley — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:02:28 +0000

Can anyone now seriously doubt the need for independent testing to clear this up?

By: BAR

BAR — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:46:39 +0000

To sit here and say the Government never lied is "Insane" and that the best equipment has been fielded is BS. There are hundreds if not thousands of cases where our troops have gone into harms way with faulty or substandard gear. 60 minutes has done numerous stories over the years of millions and billions of dollars wasted on crap the military said it needed and it couldn't get to work! Off the top of my head, the "Sgt York" comes to mind !!! Any test can be "Rigged" to make a product pass or fail depending on what the tester wants the outcome to be. In my humble opinion it came down to a the "Good Old Boy" system... Pinnacle is not in the "In Crowd" and suffered !!!

By: Britt

Britt — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:19:31 +0000

as a DoD scientist who has worked several programs, no Test Engineer would ever falsify reports those guys are the pinnacle of ‘objective’ in their research, if they say Pinnacle failed, then it failed. Neal is a dick, as someone else said, pulling a very “boeing-like” stunt to try to ram his shit down the DoD’s throat.

By: Brian

Brian — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:29:09 +0000

Brad is right. That is ultimately the problem. I find it absolutely impossible to have any sympathy for Murray Neal or Pinnacle. They have taken an incredibly confrontational approach to push their snake oil, and the DOD is understandably unwilling to work with these guys.
Here’s the thing, we know the Dragon Skin has problems. We know it came apart in the heat. We know it is also heavy as hell. It may or may not provide an increase in protection, but any increase is accompanied by an increase in weight.
Neal tried to publically pressure the Army into buying his crap. Now he wants us to believe the test results were forged. Lawyers call people like him “professional litigants”.

By: Brad

Brad — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:10:04 +0000

The DOD doesn’t discredit technology; if anything, they would gladly buy 30,000 vests for 30 million as they would 30,000 vests for 10 million.
The Pinnacle and Dragon Skin armors appear to be promising technology, but they are not ready for deployment. Armor must not only stop bullets, it must survive the packaging. Dragon Skin doesn’t.
And it is damn stupid to insult your customers which Dragon Skin DID. How happy are the DOD project managers? They are either incompetent or corrupt, if you believe Dragon Skin.

By: Dennis

Dennis — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:01:10 +0000

Such a mess.…
All I know is when it comes to military contracts it is all about the money.
The fact that we are still talking about this, years later, shows that there are companies who are acting very “Boeing” like and laying out the green paper carpet.
This happens all the time.
But this situation seems a bit different.
The money involved here is not tilting the military to chose one manufacturer over another, but to actually try and discredit a technology.
After all of the reviews, test, and articles I STILL do not know how Dragon Skin really performs or who to believe.
Considering the importance of the question, it is amazing that it still has not clearly been answered…