Comments on: Here’s a Look at one of the MURG Options

By: chris

chris — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:56:20 +0000

okay, I will give you Mac having to “apeal” to a wide, non-technical, adudience, but coming from both a military and computer background, with a little law enforcement throw into the mix, nothing bugs me more then “sensationalized” information being distributed to the “uninformed masses”. This is part of the problem with perpetuating inaccurate or misinforming data…such as assualt rifles.
Next, I agree with the 6.5X55 sweedish. I had more clover leaf holes with my sweedish, with either reloaded fire formed necked down 270 or commercial Norma ammo, then just about any other rifle/ammo combo. Sweetest shooting rifle I ever owned. Hard to argue with a 300 yard zero.

By: Wes

Wes — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:13:45 +0000

Bring back the 6mm Lee Navy!
In the 1980s the Army developed a new cartridge for the SAW program (the 6mm SAW round); though it was a very good performer at long ranges, it did not offer enough to justify introducing another cartridge.
What is now needed is a totally new technology. Plastic cased fully telescoped ammo is in advanced development right now.
But I think the 6.5 is prolly the best bullet diameter. Sectional Density out the wazoo. My Swedish Mausers firing the 6.5X55 round are wonderful shooters: great range, penetration, and accuracy, with low recoil. Tne new 6.5 Lapua brings promise of great things too.

By: Edward

Edward — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:00:43 +0000

There’s (supposedly) the 6.8x45mm Kramer Urban Combat Cartridge (UCC) by Kramer Defense (supposedly of Kramer Cartridge & Carbine LLC), claimed to be “6.8mm but with much more logistical compatibility.” (The only weapon modification needed being the barrel, while a 6.8x45mm magazine would be compatible with 5.56x45mm… although not vice versa.)
Haven’t found the Web site for either KD or KCC, so I hope it’s not vaporware; only first-hand source I’ve seen has been Defense Review’s article here: http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1143

By: Sam Grady

Sam Grady — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:41:40 +0000

“Pistol rounds are an order of a magnitude slower than rifle bullets“
This statement above by Wes is incorrect. Pardon me Wes if you were just using a “figure of speech” but technically, an order of magnitude is a factor of 10X. If you compare the slowest air pistol to the highest velocity rounds out there, you’d maybe have 5X, but on average, most handguns are about 2X-3X slower than rifles.

By: Ross

Ross — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:50:09 +0000

give mac a break guys, the show maybe a bit cheesy and over hyped at times but its nice to see the stuff being developed. U need to remember he may use civie kind of terms because its a tv show ffs. The audience isnt necessarily hardened veterans or armchair generals like u lot, theyre trying to appeal to a wider audience and thus require simple phrases so they understand.

By: Jeff M

Jeff M — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:06:23 +0000

I’d partly agree with Wes. I’m thinking this new gun is unnecessary, the round can be modified to be heavier, a more powerful charge, and there are so many other guns already to choose from, armalite makes a slew of .308 AR-10, I think this is just another sweet talkin’ contract deal. If they want a bigger round they should use the AR-10, that way at least they share the second most used small arms round.

By: Wes

Wes — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:57:30 +0000

The lethality of the 5.56 could be greatly improved by the adoption of a heavier round in the 77 grain weight range (Full Metal Jacket, not the 77 grn. Open Tip Match bullet in use by SOCOM.
Why one has not been adopted is baffling…The West Germans designed such a round in the mid-1970s.

By: chris

chris — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:49:12 +0000

Okay…saw the video. A former seal using the media hyped (non-existent classification)term of assualt rifle…give me a break.
Supressors used in automatic mode.…give me a break.
I also agree about issues of ammo sharing with the SAW. The SAW was selected to replace the M-60 to ensure the troopies could share ammo and carry ammor compatible with every weapon in the squad/platoon. Can the SAW be converted as easily to the 6.8 ?

By: Jeff

Jeff — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:25:34 +0000

Wes,
I’ll put it this way, when the SF guys are using/asking for 6.8 I believe that over a bunch of lab talk. Real world experience trumps lab work in combat.

By: James

James — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:09:49 +0000

all im thinkin about is is a 5.56 enough to get threw some of the new body armor out there its startin to get around and the chinese are making some thats cheap and tough.….oh and guess who there selling it to .…..