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Home » Tactical Development » Gates Questions Contractor Training

Gates Questions Contractor Training

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I’m not sure how I feel about this…

From this afternoon’s Military​.com head­lines:

Use of Contractors for Training Faces Review

Defense Secretary Robert Gates has ordered a top-​​level review of the Pentagon’s use of pri­vate secu­rity con­trac­tors, includ­ing the con­tro­ver­sial Moyock, N.C.-based Blackwater Worldwide, to train American troops.

“Why have we come to rely on con­trac­tors to pro­vide com­bat or combat-​​related secu­rity train­ing … Are we com­fort­able with this prac­tice?” Gates asked in a July 10 memo to Adm. Mike Mullen, the chair­man of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

The defense boss also requested more detail on how much each of the mil­i­tary branches is spend­ing on contractor-​​supplied train­ing and whether the ser­vices have estab­lished “appro­pri­ate red lines” gov­ern­ing “what types of secu­rity train­ing are per­mit­ted to be con­tracted out.”

He expects ini­tial answers some­time this week, Gates said in a let­ter Friday to Virginia Sen. Jim Webb. A Mullen spokesman con­firmed that a response is in the works. 

I’ve run into a lot of con­trac­tor train­ers in my trav­els and I’ve got to tell you, they’re by in large pretty darn good at what they do and pro­vide a nec­es­sary ser­vice to American troops prepar­ing for bat­tle. Most of the train­ing Soldiers and Marines receive at the camps in north­ern Kuwait, includ­ing Camp Buehring, before they go into Iraq comes from con­trac­tors. Everything from urban war­fare train­ing to tac­ti­cal shoot­ing drills are taught by retired mas­ter sergeants and gunnies.

The ones I’ve talked to are ded­i­cated pros who don’t com­plain about the abysmal con­di­tions and iso­la­tion of some of these camps. I’ve also looked into the train­ing that goes on at civil­ian orga­ni­za­tions for spe­cial oper­a­tions forces. Again, some of the most sophis­ti­cated and highly tech­ni­cal fight­ing and weapons train­ing goes on at these places and it would be a shame to have to shut these rela­tion­ships down.

I’m not sure where Webb is going with this inquiry. I’ve got to admit, I am a bit squeem­ish when I hear that sailors with the river­ine force are being trained by Blackwater staff. Not because of the com­pany involved, but more because that seems like pretty basic train­ing that should be con­ducted by sailors themselves.

I’m will­ing to be con­vinced oth­er­wise, but I just don’t see what the prob­lem is with retired grunts find­ing a new career train­ing the same Joes they once served along­side. It’s the same thing that hap­pens in the civil­ian world with retired whomev­ers “con­sult­ing” in their prior busi­ness. If the troops are more effec­tive for it, why not do it?

– Christian

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  1. Cole says:
    July 23, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    Direct train­ing or train­ing sup­port?
    A lot comes down to mil­i­tary force size and whether U.S. Armed Forces can afford to divert war­riors from front­line units to school house train­ing focuses that are not always career-​​enhancing for the Soldier, Sailor, Airmen, or Marine.
    In many cases, con­trac­tors are cheaper than Soldiers or DoD civil­ians for the same or higher lev­els of expe­ri­ence.
    This train has some­what left the sta­tion years ago in the arena of sup­port­ing live, vir­tual, and con­struc­tive train­ing:
    http://​www​.raytheon​.com/​c​a​p​a​b​i​l​i​t​i​e​s​/​p​r​o​d​u​c​t​s​/​w​ta/
    Or google: Warrior Training Alliance.
    Perhaps the red line has been crossed for some train­ing. But there are tech­ni­cal areas in the realm of sim­u­la­tion, and live range com­plexes that con­trac­tors can run less expen­sively while free­ing uni­formed force struc­ture and main­tain­ing required continuity.

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  2. Foreign.Boy says:
    July 23, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    I agree…
    But isn’t the big­ger ques­tion Why aren’t they hang­ing onto the exper­tise and keep­ing these guys on the pay­roll as full time train­ers.
    I know some mer­ce­nar­ies… I mean con­trac­tors are ex spe­cial forces… doesn’t that imply that spe­cial forces should help tutor the nor­mal grunts?

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  3. Frankiea77 says:
    July 23, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Why not do it? Because you’re turn­ing more and more func­tions into FOR PROFIT enter­prises. That’s a hor­ren­dous idea.
    Reason #2: You lose OVERSIGHT and ACCOUNTABILITY. We know the mil­i­tary doesn’t have the resources to con­trac­tors. Taking this func­tion one more step away from the pub­lic cre­ates a risk of abuse puts national secu­rity assets in pri­vate hands.
    Jeez, it doesn’t mat­ter if the ones you hap­pen to have seen were good. Gates real­izes that this takes us fur­ther down the slip­pery slope. He’s right.

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  4. Andre says:
    July 24, 2008 at 7:23 am

    The prob­lem with US ( and Canadian forces too) that they don’t pay their elite well enough to make them stick around. USSR (rest in piece ;) knew the value of these type of sol­diers that’s why they were mak­ing sig­nif­i­cantly more then any­one else in the coun­try. I’m sur­prised to see that elite units here (US and Canada) are not paid extra (aside from dan­ger pay if deployed) for all the extra skills they have. Take a look at the pri­vate sec­tor, if you have rare skill and they are in demand then you get bet­ter jobs and you get paid higher rates.
    Here is rhetor­i­cal ques­tion why would some­one want to do the same job for less money?
    I applaud these guys for switch­ing to pri­vate con­tract­ing jobs and not stick­ing around to learn (once again) that the sys­tem is screw­ing them.
    The only thing that DOD needs to do is to setup guide­lines and make sure that they are being fol­lowed. This will keep me happy as a tax­payer because I know that sol­diers train­ing meets cer­tain stan­dards and they are being trained by the best.

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  5. Cole says:
    July 24, 2008 at 8:38 am

    Franklea: “Why not do it? Because you’re turn­ing more and more func­tions into FOR PROFIT enter­prises. That’s a hor­ren­dous idea.“
    ———————————–
    For profit enter­prises are gen­er­ally more effi­cient than government-​​run insti­tu­tions. They cost tax­pay­ers less.
    ———————————————
    “Reason #2: You lose OVERSIGHT and ACCOUNTABILITY. We know the mil­i­tary doesn’t have the resources to con­trac­tors. Taking this func­tion one more step away from the pub­lic cre­ates a risk of abuse puts national secu­rity assets in pri­vate hands.“
    ——————————————–
    Be assured that gov­ern­ment over­sight and account­abil­ity con­tin­ues through close super­vi­sion by DoD civil­ian and mil­i­tary per­son­nel.
    I went to flight school in 1981…and had civil­ian con­trac­tor flight instruc­tors for both basic and instru­ment por­tions of flight school. That trend has expanded and Army Aviators are not suf­fer­ing from it in com­bat. Taxpayers save money because sophis­ti­cated sim­u­la­tion flight hours are cheaper than real ones.
    This is not a new phe­nom­e­non and the gov­ern­ment would not do it unless it was cost-​​effective. I know of nobody who has joined our com­pany who makes as much as he/​she did while on active duty. That is why it is cheaper while spar­ing mil­i­tary and DoD civil­ian man­power for other crit­i­cal duties.

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  6. frankiea77 says:
    July 24, 2008 at 11:14 am

    http://​there​volv​ing​door​.word​press​.com/​2​0​0​8​/​0​7​/​2​4​/​w​h​y​-​c​o​n​t​r​a​c​t​o​r​-​t​r​a​i​n​e​r​s​-​i​s​-​a​-​b​a​d​-​i​d​ea/

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  7. Cole says:
    July 24, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    Frank,
    Read your blog. New to the game are we? You said:
    “And this on the very day that the Senate Appropriations Committee holds a hear­ing to ask what hap­pened to the bil­lions upon bil­lions that have been squan­dered due to poor man­age­ment of mil­i­tary con­trac­tors, ques­tions to which Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England could only answer, basically,

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  8. Eric says:
    July 24, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    i think that it is bull­shit that pri­vate con­trac­tors are train­ing our mil­i­tary. it is hurt­ing our reten­tion whether you believe it or not. i have talked to many peo­ple deal­ing with con­trac­tors and there arro­gant ass­holes who have no regard for author­ity. there are rules for a rea­son. but if peo­ple do not want to fol­low these rules they can join a con­trac­tor. sure there are some rules con­trac­tors must fol­low but not nearly as many oper­a­tional guide­lines as some­one with the same role in the military.

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  9. Kevin says:
    July 24, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Compare the train­ing at a good civil­ian school to what the mil­i­tary pro­vides. I trained with some Marines at a shoot­ing school and they fired more rounds in that week than any of them had fired in their 10 years as mil­i­tary police, and were much more capa­ble of actu­ally effec­tively employ­ing their pis­tols. Civilian schools don’t spend half the time car­ry­ing out point­less, ass-​​covering “safety pro­ce­dures” because the train­ers under­stand what actu­ally is required to run a safe class and what con­sti­tutes point­less time-​​wasting harass­ment, a point that very few mil­i­tary range safety peo­ple ever get. You walk around with loaded guns all day class, just like you do when you are in the real world.

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  10. TB says:
    July 25, 2008 at 12:04 am

    I am in one of the more tech­ni­cal branches of the active army and we are inun­dated with new tech and toys every year. We don’t have the man­power nor the expe­ri­ence with these sys­tems to teach our­selves, there­fore we have con­trac­tors teach us and con­trac­tors live on the FOB with us to advise us and help main­tain them.

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