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Home » Planes, Copters, Blimps » Get Your F-​​15 Eagle Hybrid Now!

Get Your F-​​15 Eagle Hybrid Now!

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You know, with all the scan­dal sur­round­ing the Air Force recently, it’s refresh­ing to see that the ser­vice is break­ing ground in areas that might be a lit­tle below the radar now, but will pay big div­i­dends in the future for both the ser­vice itself and the gen­eral public.

F-​​15 Hits Mach 2 on Synthetic Fuel

History was made at Robins Air Force Base this week as an F-​​15 Eagle flew at more than twice the speed of sound using a blend of syn­thetic fuel.

The Aug. 19 flight was the world’s first test of a high per­for­mance fighter air­craft pow­ered by a 50–50 mix of tra­di­tional JP-​​8 jet fuel and a syn­thetic using nat­ural gas as a source.

The Air Force already had tested the new blend on a C-​​17 cargo air­craft and B-​​52 and B-​​1 bombers. But Jeff Braun, direc­tor of the Air Force’s Alternative Fuels Certification Office at Wright-​​Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, con­ceded that fighter air­craft offered a much dif­fer­ent challenge.

“They are much higher per­for­mance and a much more demand­ing envi­ron­ment,” he said dur­ing a late after­noon interview.

Braun said the day­long process included a 50-​​minute ground test Tuesday morn­ing that pushed the aircraft’s engines from mil­i­tary power to full afterburner.

“That was just another risk reduc­tion step to prove the air­craft was not leak­ing fuel and the engines were behav­ing nom­i­nally,” he said.

The actual test flight came in the after­noon. “It was a full func­tional check flight of about 55 min­utes,” the engi­neer said, “reach­ing speeds of Mach 2.2.” Mach 2.2 is approx­i­mately 1,450 mph.

Immediate feed­back came from the pilots.

“We asked them point-​​blank if they noticed any dif­fer­ence in per­for­mance and they said it was a ‘non-​​event,’ ” Braun reported. “In other words, they couldn’t tell the dif­fer­ence. The air­craft behaved the same.“ 

For a ser­vice that’s so fos­sil fuel inten­sive, it’s amaz­ing to see that some­thing as high per­for­mance as USAF fighter jets can be pow­ered by blended fuels seamlessly.

Wonder if the air­lines will be reluc­tant to adopt the pro­gram since they seem to like nickel and dim­ing the pub­lic with extra charges to cover their (waaa waaa) higher fuel costs…?

– Christian

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  1. Cole says:
    August 21, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    What’s that old say­ing about “too good to be true?“
    I’ve been curi­ous how the U.S. and the ser­vices in par­tic­u­lar plan to han­dle the inevitable dry-​​up of oil. If you think it is bio-​​fuels you get slammed by the price-​​increase on food. If you spec­u­late it will be coal-​​to-​​fuel as I sur­mise this test was derived from, the demo­c­ra­tic envi­ron­men­tal­ists ham­mer you.
    This par­tic­u­lar arti­cle sheds light on a recent res­ig­na­tion of an Air Force offi­cial who was appar­ently pro-​​synthetic fuel:
    http://​grist​mill​.grist​.org/​s​t​o​r​y​/​2​0​0​8​/​8​/​1​3​/​1​1​3​7​2​5​/​293
    And don’t think John McCain will bail us out if elected because he and Sen Lieberman co-​​sponsored leg­is­la­tion that fur­ther restricts CO2 emis­sions which ham­mers coal-​​to-​​fuel chances, if you click on the link in the open­ing sen­tence of the arti­cle above.
    Just believe that less available/​exponentially more expen­sive future fuel fore­casts the need for smaller-​​in-​​number, but more capable-​​per-​​plane USAF and Naval air ser­vices mak­ing greater use of sim­u­la­tion in train­ing. Aircraft like Reaper also expend far less fuel, and use of the cor­rect KC-​​X air­craft for pal­let loads will save fuel vs. guzzling-​​but-​​wartime-​​essential C-​​17s/​C-​​5s.

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  2. Princeton Scotch says:
    August 21, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    Just a geeky obser­va­tion.
    This isn’t a hybrid its a flex-​​fuel. A hybrid F-​​15 would have an elec­tric engine that it can switch two when doing low speed maneu­vers or what­ever… I’m not sure how that would work in the air.
    Another obser­va­tion:
    With the upcom­ing retire­ment of the BUFF, do you think that there should be fund­ing in a non-​​stealthy near mock 1 cruise fuel effi­cient B-​​5x.
    Let me know what you all think.

    Reply
  3. Mark Lopez says:
    August 22, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Im very inter­ested in hear­ing that the US Air Force is in fact research­ing and test­ing newer fuel sources. This is espe­cially true for one of the high­est con­sum­ing orga­ni­za­tions of fos­sil fuels on the planet; the US DoD. I do agree with another com­ment, on why spend the time and energy, as well as valu­able research time to inte­grate a new tech­nol­ogy to an already proved (and aging) bomber fleet and fighter force? Especially when we’ve already spent the bil­lions of dol­lars devel­op­ing the F/​A-​​22 and the F/​A-​​35 JSF (which will be used in the USAF, USN, and USMC).
    With all due respect, being the depen­dent of an active duty ser­vice mem­ber, I under­stand that it is the DoD’s respon­si­bil­ity to ensure that the US stays in a con­stant state of readi­ness, and in order to do that on an eas­ier level is to guar­an­tee that our fight­ing men and women have the best, most advanced tech­nol­ogy on Earth. And with the state of the country’s debt, I think that the research is in fact valu­able in some aspects (such as pos­si­bly incor­po­rat­ing it into the newer gen­er­a­tion of fight­ing air­craft, or bet­ter yet, the Army’s con­sump­tion of fuel with their numer­ous ground vehi­cles and heli­copters). The point I’m try­ing to make is fairly sim­ple; dont com­pletely sin­gle out one ser­vice branch for mak­ing head­way in the bat­tle for less­en­ing our depen­dence on oil, when there are two other major branches which use just as much oil on a daily basis. The USN with all their air­craft aboard their 8–12 car­rier groups (and each car­rier can acco­mo­date up to 90 air­craft), and the US Army’s exten­sive ground cam­pain in the Middle East, as well as train­ing here in the States. At least one branch has put a tested prod­uct on the table that will attempt to reduce their fuel con­sump­tions, in order to uti­lize ALL of OUR tax dol­lars more effec­tively and effi­ciently.
    If you’d like to dis­cuss this more, email me at mark.​lopez7​2​@​yahoo.​com

    Reply
  4. Wiccanwolf says:
    August 22, 2008 at 8:12 am

    During the lat­ter part of WWII Nazi Germany was using syn­thetic fuel for trucks, tanks and air­craft. It is a shame that we have lagged behind in its devel­op­ment over the years. I do not see us drop­ping oil as a source, but can see it being used with other fuels. After all gaso­line is a by prod­uct of the crack­ing process.
    With all of the hype about ethanol, we should remem­ber that ethanol has been proven to be 30% less effe­ceient than gaso­line. That is some­thing peo­ple haven’t been made aware of. So why have a fuel source that gets less miles per gal­lon? Ethanol is 3 mol­e­cules off from gaso­line and still is a “Carbon based” fuel, which give off it’s own pol­lu­tants.
    Now the garbage about reduc­tions in CO2, well peo­ple I would strongly sug­gest a cer­tain polit­i­cal party shut­ting the hell up! Carbon Dioxide is the by prod­uct of breath­ing. Trees and plants use it to cre­ate Oxygen. Or have they for­got­ten that fact from ele­men­tary school sci­ence classes?
    Something the left is fail­ing to men­tion is some of the capped wells have some how started to replen­tish them selves with new oil. So if they are hid­ing that from every one, then are we really run­ning out of oil?

    Reply
  5. Navybrat111 says:
    August 22, 2008 at 9:18 am

    Peak oil is a hoax. It is just a scam to put some­one in con­trol of your life who has no busi­ness being there. con­sider this: If we are run­ning out oil then who will tell what we can use for fuel next? Al Gore? O’Bambi? The peak oil cam is just like the CO2 warm­ing scam. You can’t drive THAT car, it’s too inef­fi­cient. You can’t own that HOUSE, it’s too big. You can’t have that job, you make TOO much money. If oth­ers can earn big, drive fancy cars and live in big houses, then I want that too.

    Reply
  6. XAF2-FE says:
    August 22, 2008 at 10:57 am

    Last time I checked Oil is a func­tion of decay­ing dinosaurs — and I haven’t seen one walk­ing in my town for a while. It is a finite resource just like land to build on. As to the who is in con­trol of your life ques­tion — right now it is the Oil pro­duc­ing coun­tries.
    Retired Air Force guy –
    (writ­ten by Navybrat111)
    “Peak oil is a hoax. It is just a scam to put some­one in con­trol of your life who has no busi­ness being there.”

    Reply
  7. Ron says:
    August 22, 2008 at 11:34 am

    Back in the 60’s we were rac­ing sports cars and dis­cov­ered a syn­thetic lubri­cant that worked much bet­ter than reg­u­lar oil. We bought it from Union Carbide who said the could not sell it as reg­u­lar lubri­cant for cars etc as the oil com­pa­nies said “they would not buy their chem­i­cals”, so they would only be able to sell it as a sta­tion­ary lubri­cant. This lubri­cant would get thicker as it got hot­ter, it would cause rod bear­ings to pol­ish instead of gaulding.

    Reply
  8. Skip says:
    August 22, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    It’s well known the Germans dur­ing WWII nearly com­pletely relied on syn­thetic fuels to move thier armies. The news­wor­thy aspect of this sub­ject is the ques­tion: why the US took so long to adopt this old tech­nol­ogy and what if any are par­al­lels (social and eco­nomic) that should be looked at?

    Reply
  9. Cole says:
    August 22, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Forgot who men­tioned syn­thetic oil…heh, I use Mobil 1 in all the fam­ily cars, but that’s not the point. Neither should we believe that the oil com­pa­nies are con­spir­ing to keep it off the mar­ket. Just sus­pect there are many chal­lenges exem­pli­fied by this inter­est­ing link:
    http://​www​.pbs​.org/​n​b​r​/​s​i​t​e​/​o​n​a​i​r​/​t​r​a​n​s​c​r​i​p​t​s​/​0​8​0​6​0​9b/
    If the USAF uses 1/​10th of U.S. jet fuel and coal-​​to-​​liquid pro­duc­tion results in twice the CO2 emis­sions, some­body is going to be unhappy…particularly if the air­lines end up using the same fuel. If they cap­ture and ship the CO2 (pro­duced in pro­duc­tion) by pipeline, they still need to store it some­where, mak­ing the nuclear waste stor­age prob­lem look minis­cule by com­par­i­son.
    I’m guess­ing if they cur­rently need to clean out tankers when they tran­si­tion from car­ry­ing Navy JP5 to back to JP8, that there will be sim­i­lar prob­lems with a 50/​50 blend of synthetic/​JP8. As Todd points out, we won’t know the long term effects of syn­thetic fuel on engine parts for a while.
    Guess that Natural gas and “Biomass” can also be con­verted to syn­thetic fuel. Thought I read some­thing about a California firm inves­ti­gat­ing con­ver­sion of dead bugs into fuel? But given how much coal we have in the U.S., it sure would be nice if we could con­vert it in a cost-​​effective and envi­ron­men­tally friendly man­ner.
    There may be lit­tle choice but to go to syn­thet­ics, but at $2–3 bil­lion to pro­duce the plants, it will be an expen­sive propo­si­tion. And the envi­ron­men­tal­ists will be scream­ing bloody mur­der all the way, while Al Gore will prob­a­bly get another Nobel prize decry­ing its use.

    Reply
  10. Mitch S. says:
    August 23, 2008 at 9:39 am

    Don’t see how mak­ing fuel from nat­ural gas helps much. Domestic nat­ural gas sup­plies are already tight and trans­port­ing nat­ural gas over­seas is expen­sive. Probably eas­ier to con­vert to JP8 then trans­port, but that’d mean putting your con­ver­sion plant in some nice “sta­ble” region like Georgia or one of the “stans”.
    Generally these syn­thetic fuels burn cleaner than the refined prod­uct (Audi diesel race­cars use a syn­thetic diesel made by Shell) but the syn­thet­ics are more expen­sive. (Of course any new air­craft fuel needs exten­sive test­ing)
    Probably best pol­icy is to reduce other use of oil (power gen­er­a­tion, ground trans­port) which would free up more for avi­a­tion and main­tain a strate­gic reserve for a cri­sis.
    Eventually non-​​food bio­mass or hydro­gen could take to the air but that’s way down the road.

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  11. Ted says:
    August 23, 2008 at 9:53 am

    The com­pany behind the syn­thetic fuel for the USAF is HEADWATERS. They are traded on the NYSE, ticker HW. If you want to be filthy rich load up on their stock.

    Reply
  12. Mitch S. says:
    August 23, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Looking at Headwaters web­site it looks like they’re into liq­uid fuel from coal (As I recall the AF has exper­i­mented with that fuel as well).
    While look­ing on the web I came across info on a com­pany doing this:
    “Once in oper­a­tion, the Geismar plant will pro­duce fuel made by using var­i­ous non-​​food grade ani­mal fats

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  14. ADyer says:
    August 24, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    Synthetic fuels are not some won­der cure for pol­lu­tion or a replace­ment for fos­sil fuels. All they are is the result of using chem­istry to change one type of fos­sil fuel into another. This cer­tainly has it’s advan­tages, since you can cre­ate liq­uid fuels of var­i­ous types from solids like coal or gasses like methane, liq­uid being the most prac­ti­cal state to use in a vehi­cle. But there are dis­ad­van­tages too. The process does require energy, and while cer­tainly less than the energy that can be uti­lized from the prod­uct, it does mean that over­all the use­ful energy per amount of extracted fuel is less. The advan­tages, how­ever, may out­weigh the costs in the future. Oil is a much rarer and much more imme­di­ately use­ful fuel than coal or gas. The geo­log­i­cal processes that deter­mine what form bio­log­i­cal mat­ter will even­tu­ally take seem heav­ily weighted towards coal rather then oil, and it’s entirely pos­si­ble that we may never run out of coal, so hav­ing a means to con­vert it into a fuel that burns in jet engines could become less of a nov­elty as oil becomes less ubiq­ui­tous. Then again, maybe we will never run out of oil either. So long as there is life of earth and a sun in the sky, solar energy will be stored in organic mol­e­cules by plants and they and the ani­mals that eat them will die and get buried, even­tu­ally being com­pressed into fos­sil fuels.

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  15. JCee says:
    August 25, 2008 at 9:51 am

    Synthetic fuel maybe made from eas­ily from either nat­ural gas or coal. Making it from nat­ural gas in full pro­duc­tion would be stu­pid just like burn­ing it for elec­tric­ity is(The ban on nat­ural gas to elec­tric­ity was lifted in the 90’s so morons could have clean expen­sive elec­tric­ity instead of cheaper clean nuclear). Currently the syn­thetic fuel is mostly used for small scale test­ing and pilot plants to test the fuel.
    1)Synthetic fuel maybe burned in an unmod­i­fied diesel or jet engine and has about 96% of the energy per gal­lon of non syn­thetic fuel.
    2)It is ultra-​​clean when burned (so clean in fact that con­trails from water vapor con­dens­ing on par­tic­u­lates in the exhaust doesn’t occur as there are no par­tic­u­lates)
    3)Estimated full scale pro­duc­tion costs are ~$0.8 per gal­lon.
    4) The only rea­son this is cur­rently not used is that by using coal as a feed stock you would pro­duce ~30–40% more CO2 per gal­lon of fuel than from oil or nat­ural gas. It is strictly a polit­i­cal des­i­cion to bow to the Watermelon lobby (Green on the out­side Red on the inside).

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