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Home » Fast Movers » You Run, You Die

You Run, You Die

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It looks like the Air Force got a new arrow in its quiver recently with the first employ­ment in com­bat of the new Guided Bomb Unit 54 — a hybrid Joint Direct Attack Munition/​Laser Guided Bomb.

Seems that the Air Force issued an urgent need state­ment for a 500 lb. muni­tion that could take out mov­ing tar­gets. Maybe the fighter jocks were get­ting jeal­ous of their missile-​​wielding robot friends who seem to be the go-​​to plat­forms for such mov­ing tar­get engagements.

Officials in Iraq announced that on Aug. 12 (why could they not talk about this any sooner? Typical Air Force) F-​​16s had engaged a mov­ing vehi­cle with the so-​​called LJDAM:

The GBU-​​54 is the U.S. Air Forces newest 500-​​pound pre­ci­sion weapon, equipped with a spe­cial tar­get­ing sys­tem that uses a com­bi­na­tion of GPS and laser guid­ance to accu­rately engage and destroy mov­ing targets.

On, Aug. 12, 2008, F-​​16s from the 77th Expeditionary Fighter Squadron deployed to Joint Base Balad, Iraq, suc­cess­fully exe­cuted this com­bat first when the weapon was employed against a mov­ing enemy vehi­cle in Diyala province, Iraq…

Identified as an urgent oper­a­tional need in early 2007, the Air Force com­pleted the GBU-​​54s devel­op­ment and test­ing cycle in less than 17 months, field­ing it aboard 332nd Air Expeditionary Wing air­craft in May.

We have con­sis­tently used precision-​​guided weapons to engage sta­tion­ary threats with superb com­bat effects, said Brig. Gen. Brian Bishop, 332nd AEW com­man­der. This weapon allows our com­bat pilots to engage a broad range of mov­ing tar­gets with dra­mat­i­cally increased capa­bil­i­ties and it increases our abil­ity to strike the enemy through­out a much, much broader engage­ment envelope…

“At end game, on Aug. 12, the team of the joint ter­mi­nal attack con­troller, along­side his ground unit com­man­der in this event, ensured all cri­te­ria were met for the first com­bat deliv­ery of the LJDAM. And finally, our F-​​16 pilot accu­rately and pre­cisely deliv­ered and guided the weapon to desired weapons effects, the dis­abling and destruc­tion of an enemy vehi­cle and per­son­nel, Gen.North said.

All right, so ignore the retarded “cop speak” of the last para­graph (I mean, who says “ensured all cri­te­ria were met for com­bat deliv­ery” — just say “we lazed the tar­get and said ‘cleared hot!’ ”) — this seems like a pretty inter­est­ing devel­op­ment and one that could improve the Air Force’s abil­ity to play in an urban fight. But my ques­tion is how expen­sive is it and what’s the ROI com­pared to a hell­fire shot by a Reaper? Again, it looks once more like the Air Force saw an “urgent need” to give its fighter jocks a job other than CAS orbits and “tron bang­ing” for IEDs.

– Christian

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  1. daskro says:
    August 28, 2008 at 7:57 am

    Considering the Hellfire, at 70,000, a pop is lit­tle under twice as exen­sive as 500lb JDAM, I’d imag­ine that the ROI is still on the side of LJDAM.

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  2. Camp says:
    August 28, 2008 at 9:50 am

    I maybe wrong here, but “ensured all cri­te­ria were met for com­bat deliv­ery”. Probably means the bad guy couldn’t turn a cor­ner, and place a build­ing or obstruc­tion between him­self & his soon to be life alter­ing experience.

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  3. Patron Vectras says:
    August 28, 2008 at 10:39 am

    nice!
    con­sid­er­ing that these are kits strapped onto old dummy bombs — this is a really use­ful and cost-​​effective (hope­fully…) technology.

    Reply
  4. meg says:
    August 28, 2008 at 10:49 am

    I mean — who says the word ‘retarted’ in such a con­text? Catch up with the times and show some respect.

    Reply
  5. Allen Thomson says:
    August 28, 2008 at 11:37 am

    > But my ques­tion is how expen­sive is it
    http://​stlouis​.bizjour​nals​.com/​s​t​l​o​u​i​s​/​s​t​o​r​i​e​s​/​2​0​0​7​/​0​5​/​2​1​/​d​a​i​l​y​2​.​h​tml says the con­tract for 600 LJDAM kits was worth $28.8 mil­lion, or $48,000 per unit. That’s about twice what stan­dard JDAM tail kits cost. Since the 600-​​unit lot was the first one, there may have been start-​​up and other non­re­cur­ring costs, which would make future LJAMs less expen­sive. Or not.

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  6. Trav says:
    August 28, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    …He said “retarded”?! OH NOES! run for the hills before i call the polit­i­cal cor­rect­ness police!

    Reply
  7. fred says:
    August 28, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    What are the advan­tage of a Laser JDAM vs a GPS assisted LGB?

    Reply
  8. Joel says:
    August 28, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Hitting an 8,500 dol­lar truck with an 85,000 dol­lar mis­sile fired by an 18 mil­lion dol­lar jet. This is the bril­liance we pay the Air Force for.
    We have to be so obsessed with the lie of multi-​​role air­craft that the A-​​10 is the only plane we have slow enough to do a sim­ple straf­ing run. Pathetic.

    Reply
  9. Deus Ex says:
    August 28, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    *sigh*
    Defensetech just gets worse and worse these days.
    Feel like includ­ing some per­ti­nent infor­ma­tion, like, I dunno, the price?! (Yes, I read the entire arti­cle. Please find out the damn price. Where is the report­ing on the SCAR or other inter­est­ing and note­wor­thy items? I digress…)
    How about a com­par­i­son to other similar-​​capability weapons?
    I love how we just assign the mil­i­tary an open check on all their weapon sys­tems (many of which con­tinue fail­ing to deliver), even when the national debt is at a record level and our school sys­tems and infra­struc­ture are increas­ingly ter­ri­ble.
    The day we stop using the uber effi­cient A-​​10 for CAS is the day I shed a tear over an air­plane. An F-​​35/​F-​​22 for CAS (aside from drop­ping a bloody jdam, which it seems a C-​​47 could do now days)? Eat a dick, pentagon.

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  10. tim says:
    August 28, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    500 lbs? How are these mov­ing tar­gets, any­way? Wouldn’t some­thing more appro­pri­ately sized be more use­ful, espe­cially if you intend to drop one in an urban or semi-​​urban environment?

    Reply
  11. Jeff M says:
    August 28, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    I agree the GMLRS and the Excalibur rep­re­sent the next gen­er­a­tion for air sup­port. They aught to develop vari­ants of the GMLRS for longer ranger and greater pay­load and fur­ther elim­i­nate the need for air sup­port missions.

    Reply
  12. Trent Telenko says:
    August 29, 2008 at 8:46 am

    >Hitting an 8,500 dol­lar truck with an 85,000
    >dol­lar mis­sile fired by an 18 mil­lion dol­lar
    >jet. This is the bril­liance we pay the Air Force
    >for.
    The US Army Javelin light infantry anti-​​tank mis­sile costs $100,000 per mis­sile because it has a fire and for­get ther­mal imag­ing seeker.
    US Army troop­ers, American Marines and British Army sol­diers have all used them to shoot at and kill Al-​​Qaeda and Talaban snipers with $800 Russian sniper rifles.
    War costs what it costs.
    That we can use high tech toys to kill the bad guys via “dol­lar over kill” is not a bad thing as pre­ci­sion weapons mean we kill fewer civil­ians than ter­ror­ists, which helps win us the war in the long run.
    Yet doing so

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  13. Trent Telenko says:
    August 29, 2008 at 8:54 am

    …Yet doing so really does not cost the American mil­i­tary as much as los­ing a sniper rifle does to Al-​​Qaeda.
    Over 30,000 Javelin mis­siles have been pro­duced to since 1996 and their rocket motor shelf life is less than 15 years.
    For pur­poses of expend­ing in com­bat, using an early pro­duc­tion vin­tage Javelin cost the US Army less than replac­ing the $800 sniper rifle cost Al-​​Qaeda.
    That is the advan­tage of being a superpower.

    Reply
  14. Cole says:
    August 29, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Trent makes great points as usual.
    Found this in an old RAND study:
    Recurring Peacetime Costs for Selected Unit Types

    Reply
  15. NTV says:
    August 29, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Discusing the cost trade­offs of the GBU-​​54 vs. Excalibur etc misses the point. Because there are tims that the Excalibur cant be used, namely when the bad guys are out­side of the range of the Excalibur. Thats when an air droped weapon is usefull.

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  16. Trent Telenko says:
    August 31, 2008 at 11:41 am

    >Because there are times that the Excalibur cant be
    >used, namely when the bad guys are out­side of the
    >range of the Excalibur. Thats when an air dropped
    >weapon is use­ful
    A sin­gle CH-​​47 mis­sion can carry a light weight 155mm gun and one ton of Excalibur rounds (about 20) to most moun­tain peaks in Afghanistan.
    That gun has a 20km range with Excalibur. It can cover mul­ti­ple ground patrols in its weapons deliv­ery fan with a reac­tion time only an air­craft orbit­ing over head of any sin­gle patrol with GBU-54’s can match.
    The more issues of coor­di­na­tion and avail­abil­ity between the USAF and the ground ser­vices, the less they will rely on strike fight­ers for PGM fire support.

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  17. NTV says:
    August 31, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    > A sin­gle CH-​​47 mis­sion can carry a light
    > weight 155mm gun and one ton of Excalibur
    > rounds (about 20) to most moun­tain peaks in
    > Afghanistan.
    Sure, but that approach brings logis­ti­cal and oper­a­tional prob­lems.
    If you want to put a 155 on a moun­tain to cover a patrol that wouldnt be a prob­lem, at first. After a while the the Taliban/​AQ fight­ers would get wise to where the 155 was get­ting placed and any suprise would be lost. OTOH if you wanted to base the 155’s more per­mi­nately then you will need a lot of them cover the area that needs to be cov­ered. The Afghan Pakistan bor­der itself is 2400 km long. With a range of 20 km and a need of mutual sup­port the 155’s would need to be placed 10km apart. That means 240 155’s to pro­tect the bor­der alone. Those fire­bases will need to be defended by an addi­tional 50 — 150 sol­diers. Thats a lot of troops and sup­plies. If you want to argue costs, the costs here appear to be high.

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  18. Trent Telenko says:
    September 1, 2008 at 11:34 am

    >The Afghan Pakistan bor­der itself is 2400 km long.
    >With a range of 20 km and a need of mutual sup­port
    >the 155’s would need to be placed 10km apart. That
    >means 240 155’s to pro­tect the bor­der alone. Those
    >fire­bases will need to be defended by an addi­tional
    >50 — 150 sol­diers. Thats a lot of troops and
    >sup­plies. If you want to argue costs, the costs here
    >appear to be high.
    The 155mm gun plus Excalibur is not the only or even pri­mary Army Ballistic PGM.
    They have pro­duced more than 5,000 GLRS with 70km range and have just started pro­duc­tion of a vari­ant with a 85km range.
    GMLRS would be in the per­ma­nent fire bases on HIMARS or tracked MLRS launch­ers and the 155mm gun would be the air assault fire sup­port com­po­nent for patrols.

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  19. NTV says:
    September 1, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    > They have pro­duced more than 5,000 GLRS with
    > 70km range and have just started pro­duc­tion of
    > a vari­ant with a 85km range.
    Okay, now you can cover the bor­der with 60 fire bases. They still require defen­sive troops and tremen­dous logis­ti­cal sup­port.
    But, there is more to the AF, not to men­tion Marines, and Naval avi­a­tion, than ground sup­port. What about inter­dic­tion? and deep strike mis­sions?
    Again, both air launched and tube/​rocket muntions are use­full. Both have their time and place.

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  20. ohwilleke says:
    September 2, 2008 at 6:16 am

    While the lan­guage quoted is a bit weasly, one assumes that the “com­bat first” is hit­ting a mov­ing tar­get in real com­bat with this weapon, and not sim­ply hit­ting a mov­ing tar­get from the air in com­bat, some­thing that hap­pened many hun­dreds of times in the early Iraq War from fixed wing air­craft.
    Presumably, the real sig­nif­i­cance of the LJDAM is that it allows a mov­ing tar­get to be hit from a greater range, hence reduc­ing the his­tor­i­cal impor­tance of get­ting close to a tar­get for close air sup­port mis­sions.
    In other words, the LJDAM is the kind of weapon that makes it less impor­tant to have a spe­cial­ized A-​​10 replace­ment, as opposed to a more typ­i­cal F-​​35A, for this kind of mis­sion, in future wars.

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  21. NTV says:
    September 2, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    > The require­ment for the total num­ber of fire
    > points will fall as the range of GMLRS rises,
    > or the Army makes 300km range uni­tary ATACMS
    > avail­able for the mis­sion.
    Yes, the range can be increased, but when will they be active? What will the unit cost be? And you still have logis­ti­cal and secu­rity costs.
    > How much inter­dic­tion and deep strike is (a)
    > required and (b) pos­si­ble in a low inten­sity
    > com­bat sit­u­a­tion like Afghanistan?
    In the cur­rent Afghan sit­u­a­tion, inter­dic­tion and deep strike mis­sions are few. But there is more to fight­ing wars than the Afghanistan 2008. In other cases inter­dic­tion and deep stike mis­sions will be nec­es­sary.
    > Interdiction in such a sit­u­a­tion often requires
    > 1. Eyes on human sur­veil­lance by Special
    > Forces/​Long Range Recon patrols to con­firm the
    > target/​avoid col­lat­eral dam­age and
    > 2. Rapid response once the deci­sion to engage
    > is made.
    The obser­va­tion and lase­ing of tar­gets can be accom­plished by manned or unmanned air­craft.
    > Increasingly, UAV’s are a 24/​7 asset as well
    > because they cost less than manned air­craft to
    > buy or oper­ate
    Yep, they are, and they can drop bombs too.
    > thanks to flight con­trol soft­ware automa­tion –
    > trained pilots are not required to oper­ate
    > them. All you need for the newest UAV con­trols
    > are kids who grew up with play sta­tion or WII
    > to oper­ate them.
    Thats the pop­u­lar con­cep­tion, dont know if its realy true, but pop­u­lar non the less. And BTW as the soft­ware gets more com­pli­cated, the UAVs get more expen­sive, and thus less numer­ous.
    > What is hap­pen­ing is that the manned strike
    > fighter close air sup­port is being dis­placed by
    > a cheaper UAV/​Ballistic PGM/​Artillery observer
    > par­a­digm dur­ing a low inten­sity con­flict
    > sit­u­a­tion.
    AS I said, There is more than CAS in low inte­sity con­flicts. What works in Afghanistan, might not work so well in other parts of the world.

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