The Russian government is sending one of the world’s largest warships into the Caribbean for a joint naval exercise with Venezuela. This will mark the first time since the end of the Cold War in December 1991 that a Russian naval force will sail that “American sea.” The ships will operate in the Caribbean during November, showing support for Venezuela’s government, which is strongly anti-United States.
Leading the Russian force will be the Petr Velikiy, a 26,000-ton, nuclear-propelled “battle cruiser.” The ship, completed in 1998, is the world’s largest warship other than aircraft carriers, and displaces more than twice as much as the largest U.S. surface combatants, the Aegis missile cruisers of the Ticonderoga (CG 47) class.
While Russian officials have denied that the deployment is linked to the United States sending naval ships into the Black Sea to visit a Georgian port, the Petr Velikiy cruise certainly reflects Prime Minister Vladimir Putin’s efforts to demonstrate that Russia is again a major political-military “player” on the world scene. The single Russian aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, led a task force into the Mediterranean in late 2007, and there have been periodic long-range flights by Russian Bear bombers as the Putin regime seeks to impress other nations that Russia is still a great power. Admiral Eduard Baltin, former commander of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, said that the Caribbean maneuvers mean that “Russia is returning to the stage in its power and international relations which it, regrettably, lost at the end of last century”.
“No one loves the weak,” Baltin was quoted as saying by Russia’s Interfax news agency.
Baltin, in January 2007, had declared that there was a buildup of U.S. nuclear-propelled submarines in the Persian Gulf area for the purpose of a Tomahawk missile strike against Iran.
“The presence of U.S. nuclear submarines in the Persian Gulf region means that the Pentagon has not abandoned plans for surprise strikes against nuclear targets in Iran. With this aim a group of multi-purpose submarines ready to accomplish the task is located in the area,” he said.
There has been intense Russian interest in the Caribbean area since 1959, when Fidel Castro took control of Cuba and began negotiations with the Soviet Union for economic and military assistance. As the Soviets built up an arsenal of defensive and offensive weapons in Cuba in 1962, there were plans to dispatch cruisers and destroyers as well as submarines to the area to be based in Cuban ports. In the event, at the time of the crisis only a few Soviet diesel-electric submarines were in the area. Following the crisis additional conventional submarines visited the island’s ports, with the first nuclear submarine arriving in 1969. Almost simultaneously a missile cruiser and two other surface combatants visited Cuba. Additional Soviet warships made periodic deployments into the Caribbean, including the helicopter carrier-missile cruiser Leningrad in 1984.
At the same time as these ship visit to Cuba, naval Bear reconnaissance/targeting aircraft made periodic flights from their Northern fleet bases, down the Atlantic, and landed in Cuba for short-term operations. They subsequently returned to their Soviet bases.
Such flights and warship visits came to an end with the demise of the Soviet Union.
The relatively modern destroyer Admiral Chabanenko (completed in 1999), probably another surface combatant, and an oiler will accompany the Petr Velikiy to the Caribbean. The nuclear-propelled warship is one of two remaining ships of a class of four “battle cruisers” at the Baltic Shipyard in St. Petersburg. The two other ships are no longer operational. These giant cruisers have combination oil-burning and nuclear propulsion plants that can drive them at 32 knots. They are armed with a massive array of anti-ship, anti-submarine, and air/missile defense weapons.
I see that this “posture” move by the Putin gang is trying to show their flag/wave a small stick at the US Navy & US in general.
If it means anymore than bravado at a time when the Putin gang is possibly going to lose their naval base at Sevastapol, I can’t see its worth while wasting all that time on Hugo’s ego.
Russia would be better off keeping their fleet close at hand rather than a cruise half way around the world where they’d only lose those ships in any event for if nothing else but a lack of re-supply/fuel/ support in crisis as in 1962.
I think if Putin is trying to scare his former slave states back into submission he’s sorely mistaken. In fact it might just have the opposite
effect. The Ukraine might just boot the Russian fleet out of the Crimea altogether. That would in fact cause the Putin gang to invade the Ukraine thus fight himself so to speak. Not only would this set back Russia’s ability to utilize a warm water port that they’ve always needed, but would also show the western allies their true ambitions.
Maybe the new Russian president better show some nerve and put Putin on ice before things really get out of control.Especially if he has his sights set on Poland/Chech republic or the Baltic states.
Russia need to go foward with its thinking & not regress to Stalin tactics of yesteryear.
Joe Cottone
Too bad we don’t have a battleship to field against their battlecruiser…
“Petr Velikiy, meet Missouri, Missouri, Petr Velikiy, you boys play nice now.”
Wait and watch for that outdated heap of junk to break down, was it not the admiral of one of those types of battlecrusier who said some years ago its lucky it never blew up it was so crappy,lol.
Ah yes here we are after a minute of googling:
Mar. 24–MOSCOW — In yet another blow to Russia’s beleaguered military, the navy’s commanding admiral ordered a nuclear-powered battle cruiser to return to port Tuesday for fear that “it could explode at any moment.“
Adm. Vladimir Kuroyedov said the Peter the Great, the flagship of the Northern Fleet, had become unseaworthy and dangerous. During a recent inspection he found the cruiser to be poorly maintained, including “the contents of the (on-board) nuclear reactor.”
hey, wonder if it will be as amusing as thier last years exercise, the one where it took the bear aircraft twelve hours to locate thier own carrier group, in the med and if i rememeber rightly there were ships breaking down then.
FTA: “No one loves the weak,” Baltin was quoted as saying by Russia’s Interfax news agency.
Baltin, in January 2007, had declared that there was a buildup of U.S. nuclear-propelled submarines in the Persian Gulf area for the purpose of a Tomahawk missile strike against Iran.
Yep he was dead right there about Iran wasn’t he…
“hey, wonder if it will be as amusing as thier last years exercise, the one where it took the bear aircraft twelve hours to locate thier own carrier group, in the med and if i rememeber rightly there were ships breaking down then“
Do you know how difficult it is to actually locate a ship in the ocean. Let alone a military ship. Oceans are BIG.
Without satellite targeting, any navy in the worls would take several hours to find it, even one as large as a carrier.
The Russia’s military was a bustard child for a last twenty years since Perestroyka started.
Therefore, Russian military equipment is not in the best of shapes nowadays. Their military personnel is grossly underpaid, so it’s not surprising that that their equipment is poorly maintained and failing.
However, I really wouldn’t want that piece of junk to sink in our or near-by waters since it’s nuclear powered.
“Do you know how difficult it is to actually locate a ship in the ocean. Let alone a military ship. Oceans are BIG.
Posted by: Ternarydaemon at September 10, 2008 10:34 AM“
It was sailing in the middle of the Medetarainian Sea not the Atlantic Ocean or Pacific Ocean. I realise you probably a butthurt Soviet, sorry Russian fanboy but those big systems on the Bear should have been able to locate their carrier group but failed miserably, face it they sucked.
In response, US State Department spokesman Sean McCormack poked fun at Russia’s navy. He said that if Russia really intends to send ships to the Caribbean, “then they found a few ships that can make it that far.”
It would seem way to easy to blow this thing out of the water.. God I love America.
Perhaps the ships will be loaded with passports…
This just in! Disney has begun preparing for shooting of Pirates of The Carribean IV “The quest for the Has-been Navy“
Johnny Depp will still play Jack Sparrow, Hugo Chavez will have a supporting role as the Crazy Uncle Hugo and the Russian Navy will play the part of the British Navy in the movie.
Coming to a Theater near you!
Two Tu-160 bombers just landed in Venezuela for exercises. Whoever has hypersonic missiles wins. I congratulate you on your overconfidence. You dudes of course are tall buffed, not fat and pimpled teens I suppose. I will be in Cuba for my January vacation, no fat Americans.
You Americans are ruled by moneychangers. Just look at the faces of dudes who testified in congress today on defense, walk around in Manhattan and look at who rules you and sells you genetically modified food that makes you fat, while they themselves shop at Whole Foods stores.
Hey Ruskies, if you want to prove you guys are no cowards, why not try come to Cuba and fly your bombers on the east coast of US from above the North Pole. I bet you Ruskies have no guts to do so. We know Ruskies are cowards afraid of getting US much more mad lol.
Lol,yeah maybe their rusty sextant will fail and they will run into Hugo.
Passports in bottles will show up all along the South American coast. Atleast they are of some value, they will immedietly be turned in for the 5 cent deposit on the bottle…
oops… Ike I mean, not Hugo.
Please.
I wonder if the Russian population sees these stories and says, ‘Yes! We’re back!‘
…or do they see through the facade and say, ‘who are we kidding? Our military is in NO SHAPE to alter attitudes in the world. Good thing we have the ‘natural resources’ hammer for about 3 — 5 more years.‘
Let’s get real, now.
Noone wants a fight, ESPECIALLY the Russians…
“who rules you and sells you genetically modified food that makes you fat,
Posted by: Friend at September 10, 2008 02:22 PM“
And there we have it Ladies and Gentlemen — the most pathetic, ill informed and retarded comment of the week, ‘Friend’ your credibility has just dropped to zero on this site.
ships,missiles,passports,gas.…..bring it all because we have a everything defense sheild.….…its called CHUCK NORRIS(GBHRK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoNSbpgyWBQ
one all men had 3 testicales but chuck was practicing his round house kick and found it got in his way so he cut one off..hense all men now have only 2 testicals.…..the 3rd noirris testical is currently worshiped in Mecca
and “Friend” i second jimbo
I notice all the chest thumpers here are forgeting the 16,000 nuclear warheads Russia has (they may not where they all are, but they know where most of them are) and the fact that when it came to South Ossetia and Abkazia, Putin’s crew were quite a bit more politically competent than Condi etc.
Yes the US has better ships, but the US had a better Navy than that availble to the Sunni insurgency too. Took a while to get a handle on that, didn’t it?
The Moskva class ships have S300’s on the back, and so they can still make a pain in the arse of themselves, I wouldn’t want to be in an F-18 if one of those came at me.
So enough with the childish belief in violence already!
So enough with the childish belief in violence already!
ok you can talk to me about peace love and socalism ill kick you in the groin see who wins
And the answer for the NATO question:
French Guiana.
And what’s my prize, Camp?
I think what has to be realized, is the more people poke countries like Iran, Russia and Venezuela the more they will push back. Sure they might be no real threat in terms of superiority but a collaboration on many fronts, coupled with more allies in other regions such as Korea (maybe even China) will make it impossible for the US to a act to save everyone. Heck the best thing any army can do is roll over invite the invasion in and then wage a drawn out low tech guerrilla campaign similar to Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.
You only have to look at the US success in Iraq and the NATO failings in Afghanistan and now the instability generated in Pakistan.
If you think these countries are weak then look at the might of Israel over Palestine, has Palestine given up? No they continue to find support and continue to fight. They have little more then bombs on bodies, a desperate but effective message.
The point isn’t at all to flex muscle in a conventional military way as suggested by some posts here. Russia wants to demonstrate to us that our missile defense shield is worthless. What good is a missile defense shield when Russian bombers are parked offshore, ready to drop the nuke at a moments notice?
Ohhh.…. boys, this is some seriously bad news.
It would take the Navy literally *dozens* of minutes.… perhaps even the best part of an hour to have all this gear rusting in the bottom of the Caribbean.
This would be over in the amount of time it takes the average Chief to down a cup of coffee.
Semper Fi, Gentlemen
Any ship can be sunk in a matter of minutes and this one is not an exception. I hope that this ship never rots on the bottom of the Caribbean, because that would mean that all of us are already dead before it hits the bottom.
Remember 1962. People who repeat the same mistakes twice, are idiots. The US should have listened to Pat Buchanan for the past several years — we would not be in this position now.
http://mamarussianbear.blogspot.com/2008/09/pat-buchanan-prophet-is-not-without.html
Hmmm Single capital ship, no escorts, only three aging helicopters, now where were those Los Angeles and Virginia class attack submarines? First rule of naval warfare, holes below the waterline sink ships quicker than holes above it.
lets get real here , putin is angry over the missle defence and of our warships in their black sea. todays U.S. Naval forces are unequaled we have the capability of sinking Putins canoes and chinas punt boats at the same time.
“I hope that this ship never rots on the bottom of the Caribbean, because that would mean that all of us are already dead before it hits the bottom.
Posted by: Russian at September 10, 2008 10:41 PM“
What if it blew up on its own accord through either incompetence or faulty reactor or weapons storage? The Kursk (lol) was just as important, that sunk and were all still here.
Next up:
“The point isn’t at all to flex muscle in a conventional military way as suggested by some posts here. Russia wants to demonstrate to us that our missile defense shield is worthless. What good is a missile defense shield when Russian bombers are parked offshore, ready to drop the nuke at a moments notice?
Posted by: SarahLies at September 10, 2008 09:29 PM“
No, in a global thermo nuclear war with the Russians missile defense makes not a speck of difference for obvious reasons of the amount of ICBMs involved and thier flight paths over the poles (not anywhere near the proposed sites in eastern Europe and the site in Alaska would be over whelmed within seconds. Russian bombers in Cuba or Venezuala during a nuclear conflict would be utterly pointless, there simply is no need for them when they the Russians have thousands of ICBMs that get to America faster and do more damage.
All the bombers would become is easy targets for tomahawks, ICBMs etc. Far better the Russians kept them back in Russia where if things did kick off they have at least a small chance of getting them off the ground before the warheads start raining down on thier airbases. This stunt with the bombers really is nothing more then that — a stunt for publcity and propaganda for thier people and thier allies (lol).
“If you think these countries are weak then look at the might of Israel over Palestine, has Palestine given up? No they continue to find support and continue to fight. They have little more then bombs on bodies, a desperate but effective message.
Posted by: Rhys at September 10, 2008 08:19 PM“
You really couldn’t have picked a worse example if you tried could you, lets see, Isreal is a prosperous and wealthy country, Palestine a complete sht hole. Isreal would have wiped those savages out a long time ago if it wern’t for ‘international’ condemnation everytime a palestinian or ten is killed through thier own stupidity which is in turn a product of their own stupid mentality that the Jews are evil and must die etc etc. Oh btw your heroic (in your eyes not mine) suicide bombers are a failure, less and less of them get through and when they do thier ttacks do nothing but harden resolve to wipe out the savages, the suicide attacks have no bearing on Israels military or its power, they simple serve as pathetic jestures of a desparate bunch of savages intent on killing as many innocent civilians as possible.
“Hmmm Single capital ship, no escorts“
Ummm.….no?
”*Leading* the Russian force will be the Petr Velikiy, a 26,000-ton, nuclear-propelled “battle cruiser.“
At least one destroyer is listed as being in the group (still I admit hardly a wartime escort). It’s hard to imagine why anyone would send a nuclear-powered surface combatant out alone ever, simply because of all the problems that aren’t fatal if there are two hulls in the area rather than one…
And stop planning how to sink it, anyway. They’ve got few enought left that are seaworthy — don’t be mean.
I think instead of mothballing or sending our older Forestal class carriers to the scrap yards, we ought to keep them along with all those F14 Tomcats & start another fleet called the “Home Waters Fleet” & keep half the carriers in the Gulf of Mexico & the other half in the Pacific supported by a battleship(s) & older but useful cruisers & destroyers & subs to patrol these waters.
It would certainly nullify any naval buildup by Hugo & cohorts plus with the help of the USCG medium & high endurance cutters they should be able to shut down the drug trafficers too.
At the minimum we should be able to nip Hugo’s Ego in the bud & keep drug smuggling way down.
As for Putin’s folly on the high seas, he’s probably going to lose what ever ship that can still make the trip here but will not have a home port in the Black Sea to go back so they will have to go back to Murmansk or worse yet Vladavlisok in the north pacific. I am sure they can make it (we might have to toe them).
Joe Cottone
I think instead of mothballing or sending our older Forestal class carriers to the scrap yards, we ought to keep them along with all those F14 Tomcats & start another fleet called the “Home Waters Fleet” & keep half the carriers in the Gulf of Mexico & the other half in the Pacific supported by a battleship(s) & older but useful cruisers & destroyers & subs to patrol these waters.
It would certainly nullify any naval buildup by Hugo & cohorts plus with the help of the USCG medium & high endurance cutters they should be able to shut down the drug trafficers too.
At the minimum we should be able to nip Hugo’s Ego in the bud & keep drug smuggling way down.
As for Putin’s folly on the high seas, he’s probably going to lose what ever ship that can still make the trip here but will not have a home port in the Black Sea to go back so they will have to go back to Murmansk or worse yet Vladavlisok in the north pacific. I am sure they can make it (we might have to toe them).
Joe Cottone
Show boat from Russia, maybe we should send a missle crusier into the Black Sea instead of a command ship. Tit-for-Tat and the beat goes on. One thing for sure I am sure the Democrats will want to fund a new social program to fight this re-emerging military challenge. Perhaps a sensativity program for our military.
Don’t forget that Venezuela has signed a deal “to buy five Project 636 diesel submarines, and four Project 637 Amur submarines at a later date”. And the current surface package is likely to have an few sub-surface escorts. It would be interesting if one of the 4 surface ships being sent, was a sub-tender.
They could be delivering the Venezuelan submarines. Or Conducting advanced training & coordination exercises for Venezuelan crews on Russian subs. The Battle cruiser & it’s destroyer will probably simulate an American Carrier Battle Group, along with the 2 ASW bombers simulating B-52s… But that’s just a guess. :\
“Venezuela strikes
Russia might just be able to take us in a battle, because we can’t pronounce the names of there ships and would spend half the battle who we’d be targeting
Why allow it?Since they support the terrorists with arms deals.…ANd they have been in Syria(ramiy)and gave Iran fuel for a reactor etc…
Wake up please!!!
welp when you play wussy for over a decade taking hit after hit and just slapping hands what do you expect? this Nation has had its hands slapped while doing a worth while deed and we have always backed down. we need someone like regan back in office with some power n guts to put these countries in their place. crap look at russia acting like it a world power to deal with, well make no mistake it is but then again. if we recruited everyone in the state of texas alone we could out gun, out number, and beat their communist asses back to russia. the old soviet union is gone..our forces at one time were stronger but since the carter and clinton closeing our bases and letting our troops slowly dwindle down to low numbers and if we set back and let the russians actions intimidate us then we are the wussies..i say its time we make a stand and once n for all show the world that we are the superpower and to leave us alone or pay the consiquiences. get back our wordly regognition. i served my time in vietnam , we stood like dumb jackasses and waited to get shot at before we could shoot back.. and if we shot someone we better be ready to prove they shot first. i remember the days when i came home to an ungrateful nation and they still are for the most part . America wake up. buy all the guns and rifles you can „because the day is coming when we will probably have to fight right here on us soil…because most of the liberal jackasses wont make a stern stand against our enemies and believe it or not.. this country has many nations who would love nothing more than to see us crawling in the grass looking for food.. we give millions , maybe even billions to all those countries who hate us including all the russians, and islamic nations. crap we pay billions to the arabs and then pay top dollar for their oil..we are there lets take our war debt in oil. what are we afraid of? russia? syria, jordan iraq,? i’d guess the free world is afraid of Iran… lets not forget, they are persians who became islamic
extremist and when their leader was here , you know why he was always smiling? because he had no fear of the US Military forces.. i best stop or one of the liberals might try to slit my throat while i sleep. if he can get past my bull dogs.
well i read one of the post and it triggered a good move for our military forces, thanks be to god.. instead of moth balling our our old but good shaped ships.. make another fleet .maybe not as good as what we have in the oceans but none the less an American Presence in an ever changing world. put them in the gulf of mexico and carrabian sea and to patrol our homeland waters..
no need to junk a good ship that can still be used..
I won’t ever trust DOD Linguists or Networkers ever!!!
HUGO CHAVEZ IS JUST ANOTHER NORIEGA , CAN YOU PLEASE UNITED STATES BRING HIM TO BE NEXT TO NORIEGA IN MIAMI THE WORLD PEACE NEED THOSE PEOPLES TO BE TIED, THEY ARE EVIL PEOPLE THEY DON’T LOVE PEACE WE HAVE TO LOVE EACH OTHER GOD BLESS YOU.
Hugo Chavez is just another Noriega will you please bring him and set a bed next to Panama Gral. Noriega in Miami we don’t want people like him to be free they has to be tied, those people who donot love peace are evil, please bring him back home before is to late, are so many peoples around who does evil. God bless you.
There are no such things as Russian Battleships, it is just Russian hype and counter advertising..
MOSCOW (AP)
Please CIA, will you do the world a favor and remove Chavez once and for all?
Please be serious about it (not like Fidel Castro’s failed attempts).
And you don’t need to be creative about the removing/killing method, anything that works will do
Welcome back to the world Russia
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