Military.com ran a story this morning on Israel’s request for “bunker buster” bombs.
I read the story, and as any of you would also notice, the media got it wrong in trying to “sex up” the headline.
US to Sell Israel Bunker-busters
Well, not exactly.
The AP story is short on details, but a version run in the Jerusalem Post describes the order as one for about 1,000 GBU-39s. That’s the small diameter bomb, which as you know was not developed to bust bunkers, but to give planes more munitions with the same lethality that they had before with 500 lb. or 2K lb. GBUs.
Now the J Post story says the GBU-39 can penetrate 90cm of “steel-reinforced concrete.” According to our friends at Globalsecurity.org, the SDB “has been demonstrated” to penetrate six feet of “reinforced concrete.”
Seems to me the real “bunker buster” can do a heck of a lot more than that. And the idea that Iran’s nuke program is sitting only six feet under (pun intended) the Earth doesn’t seem logical to me.
The real bunker buster — the GBU-28 — (or at least the one I associate with “bunker bustin’) can drill through 20 feet of concrete and 100 feet of Earth. So why is it that the story we ran leads the reader to believe that the GBU-39 is a bunker buster? As someone who’s been reporting this kind of stuff for 10 years I’ll tell you there’s two reasons. One is that the editor doesn’t know the difference and two is because they want to convey the idea that the U.S. is arming the Israelis for a strike against Iran.
Now, we may very well be arming Israel for a strike against Iran. But this SDB contract sure ain’t for taking out the Mullahs’ nukes.
– Christian
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According to am Israeli newspaper “Haaretz” (Tel Aviv) article on Sept. 11, 2008, the U.S. denied an Israeli request for “offensive munitions” and Boeing 767 air-refueling tankers that could assist an Israeli attack against the Iranian nuclear program installations. According to “Haaretz” the U.S. also denied an Israeli request for overflight rights through Iraqi air space. Israel had requested GBU-28 bombs capable of penetrating six (6) meters (16.86 ft.) of reinforced concrete. Instead, the U.S. opted for additional military assistance to Israel (e.g., U.S. manned radar station) that would enhance Israeli anti-ballistic missile defenses.
I would imagine its not beyond the capabilities of the Israeli defence industries to be able to create their very own bunker buster in the GBU-28 class.
Anyone got any ideas why they couldn’t?
Jimbos got a point Israel isnt pakistain
And i hope the MSM gets it threw there heads soon you wonder why no one trust you anymore thats why you ppl have probbly caused more wars than anyone but the State department
Why would they get the one over the other?The mission if their is one,would def.. want the GBU-28 not 39??? That would be a horrible mission plan
right??? I’m sure Iran has plenty of AAA…
Israel probably doesn’t want to make that bomb!
They create weapons around the idea of Israel,first.…Its like our AirForce and the E-4
and up paygrades and living spaces…
The mainstream media is a joke, they have to exagerate & lie.…how else would they fill every news slot in the day.
The media HAS been known to sex up headlines to try and make something seem more desperate, more important.
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This reminds me of when Blackwater bought a Super Tucano, and the media reported that Blackwater had bought “a Brazilian fighter jet”.
guess the israelis are right. the mainstream media is biased. jimmy carter and the dems are in control. go back and farm some peanuts
The United States should not be selling or giving weapons to Israel. It is the Palestinians who should be receiving weapons because they are fighting for freedom from Israeli savagery.
Strangely enough I agree with Jimbo Jones on this one. As Israel does use or did use 175mm SP guns it wouldn’t be too hard to order some more barrels and make the ‘deep throat’ bunker busters as they would have the needed casings. The supply of the special fuses can be covered in a normal order. If need be they could always send a Jericho or two at the reactor site with nuclear warheads. if one ‘fell short’ onto the Republican Guard barracks who would notice? I reckon Hezbollah would vacate Southern Lebanon quicker than it takes time to say ‘Urban Renewal’. Crushing Hezbollah villages under a sustained artillery and air bombardment, after a suitable time to evacuate, would really add to the beautification of Southern lebanon by getting rid of the fortifications. No great loss to the world in either case if a few assholes are taken out with them.
The United States should not be selling or giving weapons to Israel. It is the Palestinians who should be receiving weapons because they are fighting for freedom from Israeli savagery.
Posted by: Sam at September 15, 2008 09:40 PM
You are terribly wrong there sir.The Palestinians are recieving weapons from both Israel and Hezbollah. They are being delivered by air with the fuses attached.
Good catch Christian– like anyone needs to add more heat to the situation.
And what’s up with the twits who think military.com is the scary “mainstream media”?
Look, there are only 2 things you need to make a penetrator capable of the depth the GBU-28 is capable of. A 2Klb. BLU-109, and the proper fuze, which pretty much every country has available in some form or another. The guidance unit and the aerosurfaces, the important part, which have nothing to do with the penetration effect, have influence only on the accuracy and standoff distance. Israel could fit a Gen-purpose fin on the warhead and no guidance unit at all, and guess what? Bye Bye, Iranian weapons program.
I dont understand, will or won’t the big bunker-busters do the job on the iranian underground nuclear bunkers? How deep/armoured are we talking here?
my second thought on this is this: If Israel built its own munition it gives them more free will to execute an attack, which is great as they shouldnt feel constrained by other forces, either suppliers or forces operating in the area.
Other thing was this: What about if Israel just goes ahead and smashes the Iranian nuclear program one night and, heres the good bit, denies having absolutly anything to do with it. I think for the entertainment value alone it’d be worth it (yeah i said it) Iran denies thier trying to make nukes so Israel denies destroying the facilities, can’t say fairer than that.
The United States should not be selling or giving weapons to Israel. It is the Palestinians who should be receiving weapons because they are fighting for freedom from Israeli savagery.
Posted by: Sam at September 15, 2008 09:40 PM
Dude theres a glass of coolaid with your name on it.…
Other thing was this: What about if Israel just goes ahead and smashes the Iranian nuclear program one night and, heres the good bit, denies having absolutly anything to do with it. I think for the entertainment value alone it’d be worth it (yeah i said it) Iran denies thier trying to make nukes so Israel denies destroying the facilities, can’t say fairer than that.
Posted by: Jimbo Jones at September 16, 2008 12:11 PM
ROFLMAO!
The United States should not be selling or giving weapons to Israel. It is the Palestinians who should be receiving weapons because they are fighting for freedom from Israeli savagery.
Posted by: Sam at September 15, 2008 09:40 PM
Dude theres a glass of coolaid with your name on it.…
Other thing was this: What about if Israel just goes ahead and smashes the Iranian nuclear program one night and, heres the good bit, denies having absolutly anything to do with it. I think for the entertainment value alone it’d be worth it (yeah i said it) Iran denies thier trying to make nukes so Israel denies destroying the facilities, can’t say fairer than that.
Posted by: Jimbo Jones at September 16, 2008 12:11 PM
ROFLMAO!
Posted by: Valcan at September 16, 2008 02:54 PM
Make sure it isn’t Red Kool-aid.
I like thew way you think Jimbo Jones. If I was living in Hanoi I’d be moving out if McCain wins just in case he decides to play payback. If he did that, no-one would screw around with the U.S. period. Make that one or two B2 bomber strikes?
I’m sure that A.) Israel already has the weapons needed and if not, B.) the US would supply them and C.) If they didn’t Israel would just find another way. This is just to important to Israel for them to just let it slide and you can’t believe everything that the media says. Disinformation is a wonderful thing.
I believe Israel’s unit 8200 could think of something. The officers that retire from that unit run some of the most hi-tech companies in the world.
Pretenders need not post!You guys are copying formats…How many CSS pages does it take to deceive?Computers,aren’t your friend…I bet your
a productions unit…
As much as Israel would like to strike at Iran, its options are few and there outcomes would likely be less than desirable, war with Syria being one of them. Israel has few ballistic missiles with the range needed to strike at Iran
I wonder how many times a looked at some articles
on a jewish site,and then said:‘I’m sure.‘That is
a dangerous mind trap!Your allowing unknownness to
speak it…Familiar spirits/yaya…
I just detected a hack…
I just don’t know. Israel can definetly think out of the box (Operation Entebbe). I bet they do something completely different this time.
Israeli firm Rafael produces various guided weapons such as the Popeye missile. Add a bigger warhead to the Popeye and you have a bunker buster. Currently it is produced with an 800lb penetrating warhead. IMI can produce larger items as necessary. ISCAR in the Galilee can machine whatever else is necessary.
“..however the Mossad has enjoyed some success at taking out key Iranian scientists and engineers.“
Jeff, what is your source for that claim? Can we also look forward to Iranian agents taking out key Israeli scientists and engineers?
Like I have said before, Iran should have launched a preemptive strike on Israel a long time ago. Israel has threatened Iran long enough. Unfortunately, the Iranians may not have that capability or they might be waiting for Israel to make what many of us hope will be a very costly mistake.
I seem to be the only poster here who remembers that Israel has illegally occupied Palestine for over 40 years and has been attacking all of its neighbors since the 1940s.
Checkout my Google Earth findings on Iran by searching ffjbentson on GE and viewing my posts.
Sam as a radical islamic fundamentalist (or a want-a-be) you should know that all that is is what allah wishes. Allah wishes for Israel to exist because it does, allah wishes Israel to kick arab ass because it has and does, allah wishes for the destruction of the taliban and al qaida and tens of thousands of their fighters because that is happening. And soon allah will wish for the destruction of hezbollah and the mullahs of Iran and freedom for the Persian people to join the other 50 million freed Muslims thanks to the “infidels”. allah ak bar
“I seem to be the only poster here who remembers that Israel has illegally occupied Palestine for over 40 years and has been attacking all of its neighbors since the 1940s.
Posted by: Sam at September 16, 2008 09:49 PM“
The palistinian Savages wanted a war, they got thier war and more then they bargained for, they lost, just face it thier losers and in war losing very very often means losing land. Tough shit for them, they shoulda thought it through beforehand.
Only a fool would pity religious fanatics whos only goal is to kill and injure those of another religion…
“Can we also look forward to Iranian agents taking out key Israeli scientists and engineers? Posted by: Sam at September 16, 2008 09:49 PM“
I doubt it, there a pretty stupid bunch and if they did manage to pull something off they would no doubt leave blundering great ‘breadcrumb trails’ right back to thier own doorstep like they have done in Iraq.
Sam,
Arabs have occupied Israeli land for thousands of years.
When Israel was “reborn” as a nation in 1948, the original borders for Israel were closer to the ancient borders assigned to Israel. The Arab nations (OPEC) whined and because of oil, the UN caved and gave Israel only a fraction of the land it should occupy.
The whole story is funny. Arabs and Jews are related. Abraham had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. The Arabs come from Ishmael’s line and Jews from Isaac. Isaac was Abrahams son through his wife Sara, and Ishmael was from a handmaiden of Sara’s. Arabs claim that it is the other way around.
Talk about a family feud, this one goes back generations…
Jimbo,
Are you the same Jimbo who blogs for Blackfive? If this is you then its interesting how you wouldn’t debate me about Israel when I offered you the chance. Are you up to it now?
Ptsfp
Where in international law does it say that a state can be built because it once existed in “ancient times’ with no regard for the rightful owners of that land?
“Jimbo,
Are you the same Jimbo who blogs for Blackfive? If this is you then its interesting how you wouldn’t debate me about Israel when I offered you the chance. Are you up to it now?
Posted by: Sam at September 17, 2008 08:43 PM“
Nope not me, if its another Jimbo Jones that wouldn’t suprise me. If your unfamilier who the great Jimbo Jones is then i would suggest a google image search to see the great ‘man’ himself.
According to the Bible, the land was given to Israel. It is the Promised land. Promised to Israel by God.
Therein lies the problem. The militant Islamists believe that they were given the promised land, not Israel. And if Israel exists, on that area of land, then what the Arabs believe isn’t true.
Therefore, they must remove Israel to prove that they are the children of the promise. That is why giving chunks of Israel to the Palestinians will never bring peace. They want the whole land. Also, creating a Palestinian state also will not bring peace. Again, the Islamists want the whole land.
The reason why militant Islamists attack America and Israel is that both Jews and Christians believe that the Promised land belongs to Israel. Therefore, they believe that America and Israel must convert to Islam, or be killed in Jihad.
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