Comments on: Plan to Kill bin Laden Rejected

By: DCR375

DCR375 — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:58:11 +0000

His name is Thomas Greer, and was a former 75th Ranger Rgt officer. He is legit and is not a dud round. The community is split 75/25, with the former being against, and the latter for, his decision to ignore OPSEC. His revelations are no worse than Beckwith’s, Haney’s, Boykin’s, et al. Pete Blaber intros his book with saying he is not in violation and all subjects and personnel have been in other’s writings, or DOD non-class info. Many disagree. OPSEC at all times. I am on their side. As long as current ops or tactics aren’t revealed, nor shooters, all is good.

By: GBFBNC

GBFBNC — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:22:10 +0000

This is what happened.
This is Dalton Fury (bad make-up, but it works).
The unit is pissed, but not the operators.
Look up Gator Mines, they would have worked.
The unit is just that, a unit. Families can come on the compound and eat on Fridays, watch your language though.

By: Scathsealgaire

Scathsealgaire — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:01:32 +0000

“The US follows the Ottawa Treaty due to it being International Law and it being a good citzen.“
Posted by: tontochoc at October 7, 2008 05:59 AM
I’ll have to correct you here.
The US still uses land mines and is not constrained by the Ottowa Treaty. The Treaty is not International Law, to be such it would have to be passed by the UN and Ratified by EVERY sovereign nation. It has never been ratified by the US.
“the United States in 2004 banned all undetectable mines (those made with very small quantities of metal) from its arsenal. By 2010, the United States plans to abandon use of all persistent mines — regardless of whether they are of anti-personnel or anti-vehicle mines. The U.S. armed forces would deploy nonpersistent mines only, because these devices can be set to deactivate or self-destruct mere hours after the military requirement for them ends.“
http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2006/September/20060922153943adynned0.8831903.html
So in fact the US does plan to continue using mines, just easily detectable ones (ie metal detector) and they must be non-persistant.
Of course this ban was in 2004, and Tora Bora was 2001.

By: Barnacle Bob

Barnacle Bob — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:38:20 +0000

Look if Bin Laden had a 1000 guys watching his butt, you know at least one of those guys — or his uncle, sister, or old dude he smoked hash with — had probably been in some manner, “taking calls” from the CIA for the last 15–20 years (Well in advance of 9/11). Soviet/Afghan conflict probably helped lay the groundwork in this regard.
I seriously doubt Bin Laden’s whereabout’s were any kind of unknown to the intelligence community around the time “Fury” and his team arrived on the scene.
Then and now, Fury is likely in a classic left– hand-not-knowing-what-the-right-hand-is-doing situation.
Fury and company — the “left hand” — follow through on the mission and meet with dissapointment. Later Fury publicly communicates what happens and does so with command approval, encouragement even. Why? He’s only able to talk about what he knows; Fury is effectively in a “compartment” on this matter.
Fury and team — The left hand — unknowingly provide cover for a figurative “right hand,” — Perhaps a second team that did apprehend Bin Laden and remove him from Afghanistan for interrogation
With Bin Laden, we’re talking a terrorist leader here; You don’t just want to wax the guy before finding out what he knows, where his assetts are around the globe. Interrogation/Custody prevents surprises down the road.

By: Nathan

Nathan — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:15:16 +0000

Amazing, that is all I can say… I believe I know this man, too, judging by his mannerisms… I swear I know him…
I am joining the Marine Corps, I have been thinking about SF ever since 12SEP01 and this just makes me want to fight with them even more. I feel no shame about what this man did, he believed he had a duty to tell the American public about how politics and the beuracracy got in the way of these men doing their job! This disgusts me…
Semper Fi…

By: Bob

Bob — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:51:44 +0000

I have to agree that this guy just doesn’t seem “Delta” to me. First no SOF I have ever known would be shooting off thier mouths about any mission, secondly they would come up with a better disguise if they did air because some of their former ‘co-workers’ might not be too happy with them coming out.

By: Michael

Michael — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:53:54 +0000

Besides the Naylor book on the fight for Takur Gar and Operation Anaconda, the battle around Tora Bora in late 2001 produced several books found in Borders in the Military History section. The latest report by Richard Engel adds more evidence to the dereliction of duty by Bush, Rumsfeld and the civilian Pentagon leadership.

By: pleuris

pleuris — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:20:20 +0000

I’m not SF, I’m not a politician, but what I do know is that :
1. The military is an poltical instrument, so every military operational decision has political implications. So using Pakistan as startingpoint for your campaign is a no go.
2. Landmines to alert SF where OBL is, is just redicilus, heard of goats? And what Cristian said, there are enough of them allready.

By: tontochoc

tontochoc — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:59:13 +0000

Plenty of bull shit here. The US follows the Ottawa Treaty due to it being International Law and it being a good citzen. Coming in from Pakisatn was never on because it would have been compromised by elements of the Pakistani military if they had known of it; and sovreignty is a thing best kept as the US needed and needs Pakistan in the war in Afghanistan. All you wannabes try living in the real world. Roy you are obviously reading too much conspiracy theory crap as the ‘sophisticated’ bombs that were used in the Bali bombing were very simple devices. Don’t patronise me that you know better, you don’t.

By: stephen russell

stephen russell — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:21:11 +0000

I see damn DC politics impacting a mission that the White House etc had to Order.
They had to know risks pre Mission.
Bogus.
Air assult over Pakistan.
Use HALO?
Have Army Green Beret on ground for Rendevous Force
& KILL the SOB OBL.
Now that time is Never unless OBL does something really crazy to get trapped this next time
Someone had to OK the Mission from DC
I agree with Ops officer.
Or theyd never go IN.