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Home » Door Kickers » At Least Someone Gets to be Camouflaged

At Least Someone Gets to be Camouflaged

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Calling the Army’s new “uni­ver­sal” dig­i­tal cam­ou­flage scheme for its field uni­forms con­tro­ver­sial is an under­state­ment. People tend to fall into two camps: some grudg­ingly tol­er­ate it, par­tic­u­larly in an urban, desert or urban/​desert envi­ron­ment and oth­ers (most) just flat out hate it and can’t under­stand why the Army went the way of loden greens and grays.

Why not Multi-​​cam (which almost every­one likes)? That’s a whole ‘nother subject…

No mat­ter how you feel about it, sure seems like Joes are going to be stuck with the new pat­tern for a while since the Army spent gobs of money replac­ing its clas­sic wood­land scheme only within the last few years. But it turns out not every­body in the Army has to stick with the unpop­u­lar mandate.

Over at a blog I like to keep tabs on for gear news, it looks at if the Army’s made an excep­tion to the rule for, you guessed it, spe­cial oper­a­tions troops.

According to the “Soldier Systems” blog, the Army G1 recently sent out guid­ance that allows spe­cial oper­a­tions troops the option of wear­ing the old-​​school wood­land cam­mies in jun­gle envi­ron­ments. The mes­sage states that USASOC troops can wear the old BDUs in the Pacific the­ater, Southern com­mand area and Africa Command while “con­duct­ing oper­a­tional train­ing and con­tin­gency mis­sions” there.

The order calls for logis­tics to keep the wood­land items in the sup­ply sys­tem for the snake eaters until oth­er­wise notified.

Here’s the mes­sage Soldier Systems pasted on its site:

SUBJECT: EXCEPTION TO POLICY FOR WEAR OF THE ENHANCED HOT WEATHER BATTLE DRESS UNIFORM (EHWBDU), AVIATION BATTLE DRESS UNIFORM (ABDU), AVIATION FLIGHT SUIT, AND ACCESSORY ITEMS

1. THIS MESSAGE SERVES AS AUTHORIZATION FOR WEAR OF THE EHWBDU, ABDU, AND ACCESSORY ITEMS AFTER THE MANDATORY WEAR OUT DATES FOR SOLDIERS ASSIGNED TO UNITED STATES ARMY SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMMAND (USASOC) CONDUCTING OPERATIONAL TRAINING AND CONTINGECY MISSIONS IN THE FOLLOWING OCONUS THEATERS:

A. PACIFIC COMMAND
B. SOUTH COMMAND
C. AFRICA COMMAND

2. THE FOLLOWING WOODLAND ORGANIZATIONAL CLOTHING AND INDIVIDUAL EQUIPMENT (OCIE) ITEMS WILL BE MAINTAINED AS ISSUE IN THE ARMY SUPPLY SYSTEM:

UNIFORM ITEMS
BOI
A. EHWBDUs (COAT AND TROUSERS) 4
B. ABDUs (COAT AND TROUSERS) 4
C. GEN I GORTEX (COAT AND TROUSERS) 1
D. BDU, SUN HAT 1
E. BROWN T-​​SHIRTS 4
F. PATROL CAP 1
G. AVIATION FLIGHT SUIT 2
H. ARMY COMBAT HELMET COVER 1
I. BLACK BOOTS (HOT WEATHER, SPEED LACE) 2

3. POC FOR UNIFORM POLICY IS XXX.

4. THIS MESSAGE HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE DCS, G-​​1.

5. EXPIRATION DATE CANNOT BE DETERMINED. 

Isn’t that just like the Army? Can’t have the HK416 or the SCAR…nope, you gotta stick to your M4. And now, you’re being forced to stick out like a sore thumb in the jun­gle, but the com­man­dos can stay nice and con­cealed. Thanks…

– Christian

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  1. Greg says:
    October 15, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    on the other hand, the old school camo sticks out like a sore thumb in urban envi­ron­ments. Seeing how Gates said that asy­met­ric war­fare is the future, and also that the whole FCS idea is for sit­u­a­tional aware­ness in an urban envi­ron­ment, shouldn’t the camo match the per­ceived threat? Not that this Camo is good in the jun­gle, but it seems like we have seen alot more action in the urban envi­ron­ment lately. Maybe they can make a dig­i­tal pat­tern for the Jungle too.

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  2. Cadet SF says:
    October 15, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    As far as I under­stand there can be dig­i­tal pat­tern for just about any envi­ron­ment. All that is needed is a close look at the major nat­ural col­ors that per­vade and the dom­i­nant spread of the pat­terns and you can make a digi camo pat­tern to fit the area, though it takes a lot of time and research.

    Reply
  3. LCON says:
    October 15, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    The big rea­son The Army can’t issue Multicam is Because it’s Trademarked by Crye Associates.and rather then Pay the fee the Army decided to go else­where.
    Jungle Digital pat­terns are avail­able but the Army deemed that the USMC style ( they use two dig­i­tized pat­tens in there uni­forms A wood­land and a Desert) two too three camo pat­tern uni­form sys­tems was Inefficient, one uni­form for every where. and they are also apply­ing that same con­cept to there Service uni­form now. although it seems that Army is not alone the Navy and Air force are also Phasing in Uniforms with Questionable Camouflage qual­i­ties, they thus fare are stat­ing that these are “Work uni­forms and not Combat uni­forms” that will be answered in the next few years.

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  4. Ethan says:
    October 15, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    they do have a dig­i­tal pat­tern for the jun­gle its the green one, its very sim­i­lar to the desert one but its green and brown. I think these ones are bet­ter than the old but thats just me.

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  5. James says:
    October 15, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    I, for one, think that the USMC had the right idea when they made their wood­land and desert MARPATs. I think the Army should take a leaf out of the Marines’ book for once.

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  6. Marcase says:
    October 15, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    It’s inter­est­ing to see that the Army’s exper­i­men­ta­tion force has been using MultiCam camo gear from the very start. MultiCam btw is also effec­tive in urban environments.

    Reply
  7. n.t. says:
    October 15, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    I remem­ber see­ing the old PPT on this site that the army put together when test­ing pre-​​ACU uni­forms (all-​​over brush, track, shadow line etc) and remem­ber that in the uni­ver­sal test Multicam didn’t come out that high; some­thing like third or fourth. It also kind of nig­gles at me that both ACU and Multicam tend to ‘blob out’ at a dis­tance — I don’t see that there’s any rea­son we can’t do bet­ter than both (All-​​over brush, which wasn’t even dig­i­tal, beat Multicam hands down in the army’s orig­i­nal test­ing lineup).

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  8. G-Dog says:
    October 15, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    The army’s ACU camo sucks for most envi­ron­ments. I would never pick that stuff to try and hide any­where, except pos­si­bly on an army base (where you can blend in with oth­ers, just not the envi­ron­ment). Multicam does an excel­lent job of all around con­ceal­ment, and if I remem­ber cor­rectly scored light years ahead of the ACU pat­tern. I must say the marine’s Marpart stuff is prob­a­bly the best, two pat­terns, both of which are almost impos­si­ble to beat for their des­ig­nated ter­rain types. If you want a pat­tern for every­where, go mul­ti­cam, if you want the best go marpart as it is more adapt­able and flat out works.

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  9. Roy Smith says:
    October 15, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    Yeah,but the new uni­forms look so Sci-​​Fi & like some­thing you’d want to fight space aliens & UFO’s in. Starship Troopers!!!!!

    Reply
  10. Soldier Systems says:
    October 15, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    LCON is incor­rect. The US Government has an option on Multicam. It was devel­oped as part of the Objective Force Warrior program.

    Reply
  11. Sven Ortmann says:
    October 15, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    Camouflage pat­terns on cloth­ing are over­es­ti­mated any­way. They must not sig­nal the pres­ence, but the really effec­tive cam­ou­flage looks dif­fer­ently — net­ting and nat­ural cam­ou­flage.
    A BDU’s colour or pat­tern is just the base camouflage.

    Reply
  12. Will says:
    October 15, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    MARPAT is trade­marked by the Marine Corps, so hope­fully it keeps the Army from using it, but I doubt it. Once of the major rea­sons MARPAT was adapted was to give Marines a unique uni­form that made us stand out from every­one else. So, I’d be REALLY upset if the Army hijacked it.
    I really think the only rea­son the army used a dig­i­tal pat­tern, was so they could one up the Corps. Why the hell would you make a “uni­ver­sal” uni­form that sticks out so badly in a wood­land env­ior­ment. Plus, what’s with all the vel­cro? At least call it what it is, a desert/​urban uni­form.
    Now we have the Air Force with a camo uni­form. The Navy is field­ing a dig­i­tal uni­form, not to blend in, but to hide wear, and stains. Are you kid­ding me? You don’t need dig­i­tal camo on a ship. Besides, and navy blue and grey dig­i­tal pat­tern is totally use­less in any field env­ior­ment. The Corps made a prac­ti­cal uni­form, and now every­body wants spiffy new duds, regard­less of how well they work in their intended enviorments.

    Reply
  13. C4Casey says:
    October 16, 2008 at 12:56 am

    The only thing I hate more than the Army uni­forms is the Air Force ABU. It’s ugly, too heavy, and sticks out like a sore thumb in a wood­land envi­ro­ment. I don’t see why the mil­i­tary can’t just let troops wear BDU’s for wood­land areas, DCU’s for desert areas, and ACU’s or ABU’s for urban enviroments.

    Reply
  14. Wes says:
    October 16, 2008 at 9:55 am

    MARPAT should be avail­able to Army troops for Jungle area use. I’m a for­mer Marine, but the Corps copy­writ­ing MARPAT so no other ser­vice can use it is an apallingly bad deci­sion. We are talk­ing about sav­ing lives, peo­ple.
    If the Black in MARPAT was elim­i­nated and replaced by Tan, it would come very close to being a Universal Pattern. If the whitish “Tan” in the ACU was replaced by the Coyote color in MARPAT, it would be even better.

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  15. Vitor says:
    October 16, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    By dig­i­tal camo, they mean a camo pat­tern gen­er­ated by com­put­ers, so they decided that a com­puter knew bet­ter how to deceive our vision?

    Reply
  16. N.T. says:
    October 16, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    I’d agree with Wes but for the fact that MARPAT blobs out at a dis­tance into a single-​​shade human sil­hou­ette, like UCP and Multicam…

    Reply
  17. tim says:
    October 18, 2008 at 3:05 am

    It’s pretty funny that most peo­ple who cry about UCP aren’t with the Army…

    Reply
  18. Gabe says:
    October 19, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    What about using the best camoflague pat­tern avail­able for all troops who oper­ate in a sim­i­lar envi­ron­ment. I was in SOCOM before and we did have lee­way on uni­form usage and alter­ations which made them more func­tional, lighter, and use­ful in our mis­sions. Why not use what works best for all and not allow the trademarking/​copywriting. Class A’s are dif­fer­ent but on the bat­tle­field, I dont want to be dis­tin­guished from the environment.

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  19. Gabe says:
    October 19, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    What about using the best camoflague pat­tern avail­able for all troops who oper­ate in a sim­i­lar envi­ron­ment. I was in SOCOM before and we did have lee­way on uni­form usage and alter­ations which made them more func­tional, lighter, and use­ful in our mis­sions. Why not use what works best for all and not allow the trademarking/​copywriting. Class A’s are dif­fer­ent but on the bat­tle­field, I dont want to be dis­tin­guished from the environment.

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  22. EddieG_USMC says:
    July 2, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    I think the Marine Corps got the right idea and had two uni­forms for thier intended envoron­ments. Yet the Army just went “dum­b­ass” with uni­forms. I thin kthey thaught that they would save money with just one type of camoflauge. But duhh, you need two types for woodland/​jungle and desert. The MARPAT was trade­marked for many rea­sons, so civil­ians can’t wear it and try to go on to a Marine Corps instal­la­tion and blow it up (for one exam­ple). There are copies but they are not the same. The Army just looked like a bunch of cac­tus in Iraq all four times I went. Also the Army train­ing needs to be bet­ter. I would like to have the knowl­edge that the U.S. armed forces are fit and not fat. Also the money issue, we all can use more equip­ment and a bet­ter weapon than the M-​​16A2 5.56mm. Something with more stop­ping power, like the 6.8mm.

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