Comments on: Making the Best of the M9

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By: angel

angel — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:06:42 +0000

By: M. Tobias

M. Tobias — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:01:32 +0000

After thirty-two years in law enforcement I would like to comment on the M9. It is not a bad weapon. It is reliable, with periodic maintenance, and has no major flaws; with the exception of the caliber.
The major drawback to the weapon, itself, is the caliber. The 9mm, especially in the hardball loading mandated to the military, simply does not have the terminal effects of the .40s&w or .45acp cartridge. Therefor, shot placement is critical when using this weapon. Also, being a supersonic round, it does not lend itself well to use for sentry removal in suppressed weapons.
The other glaring problem with military pistols, in general, is the lack of comprehensive training in their use. Pistols are not rifles and an entirely different set of skills needs to be developed and practiced to effectively utilize these weapons. This includes tactics of pistol utilization, pre-deployment setup, transition from primary [rifle] weapon to secondary [pistol] weapon and malfunction clearance training. Very little, if any, training of this nature is given to standard military personnel.
Armory maintenance of sidearms is entirely dependent upon the head armorer and his staff. A good armorer will make sure that every weapon that leaves his facility is functioning at optimal levels. Once in the hands of the individual soldier, it is up to him, or her, to maintain the weapon. And maintenance, especially in the sand box, is critical to the soldier’s wellbeing.
Just remember one thing. Most modern weapons are prone to mechanical failure, usually at the most inopportune time. Simple weapons such as knives, swords, sticks and rocks are much more reliable. And the most reliable weapon of all is the highly motivated, highly trained, highly adaptive soldier/warrior.

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By: ReconTeam

ReconTeam — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:58:43 +0000

The Europeans may love the 9mm but in my view we Americans, or our soldiers at least are .45 cal people. Considering how rarely pistols see action it was probably a mistake to adopt the 9mm M9 Beretta for NATO purposes. Even if war broke out we could have certainly supplied all of the .45 caliber ammo which would be used by our pistols. We should have gone to a modernized .45 cal then and should still now. Yet we have to get past the usual politics.

By: ohwilleke

ohwilleke — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:38:20 +0000

Two small points.
1. 9mm is at the top of the peo list because it puts numbers in front of letters in alphabetical order, just like Blockbuster and in contravention of the sacred customers of librarians everywhere who put numbers where they would appear if spelled out.
2. The DoD can easily afford to issue new $2,000 pistols. The total cost of issuing one to every single person in the military (Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines) is $2.8 billion, give or take, and actually would cost considerably less because not every single person in active duty military service is issued one. Also, presumably this would not be done all in one year. Finally, given the necessity of replacing firearms or buying parts for existing ones over time in any case, there are significant costs avoided by buying new weapons. In sum, the real cost of buying new $2,000 a shot pistols on the hardware side are well under $2.8 billion over several years.
Give the degree to which deadly military combat still happens at or near pistol range, and the political consequences that have flowed from being cheap on equipment that has an obvious connection to the mission (compare the armored humvee, body armor and MRAP debates of the last five years or so), it is hard to see anyone complaining about this kind of expense. Similarly, failing to fund a next generation rifle, of whatever caliber, with greater reliability, is a political risk and a modest cost as far as the defense budget is concerned. These debates are not being driven by weapon cost.
Of course, there would be training, and training the trainer costs associated with a new pistol that would probably dwarf the acquisition costs. But, to the extent that there are training shortfalls with the existing weapon, the improved training associated with the hoopla of a new sidearm might itself have beneficial effects independent of the benefits of the new weapon itself.

By: ohwilleke

ohwilleke — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:37:45 +0000

By: tontochoc

tontochoc — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:23:34 +0000

I have a real basic question. Is there a report out in the system of how many people have Actually shot the M9 in Iraq and Afghanistan in action. Their after battle reports would appear to be the best option. If so, could someone post it here or give me the details via Christian.
Cheers,
tontochoc