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Home » Av Week Extra » Next Tanker Round Option: Price Shootout

Next Tanker Round Option: Price Shootout

This arti­cle first appeared in Aerospace Daily & Defense Report.

The next U.S. pres­i­dent could move for­ward with a new com­pe­ti­tion to buy the Air Force’s much-​​needed aer­ial tanker replace­ments with an idea qui­etly crafted this fall at the Pentagon as a poten­tial com­pro­mise.

But, for now, the idea has been dashed amid the polit­i­cal firestorm over the $35 bil­lion pro­gram.

Pentagon acqui­si­tion chief John Young says his team dis­cussed the notion of a new strat­egy to judge the exist­ing KC-​​X pro­pos­als put forth by rivals Northrop Grumman/​EADS North America and Boeing.

The new con­cept was prof­fered inside the Pentagon, but Defense Secretary Robert Gates even­tu­ally decided to shelve the tanker com­pe­ti­tion and declare a “cool­ing off” period before pro­ceed­ing.

The new strat­egy would include two phases. In the first, both pro­pos­als which met all of the key require­ments of the KC-​​X com­pe­ti­tion would be declared “tech­ni­cally com­pli­ant,” Young says. Both offers sat­is­fied thresh­old require­ments on fuel car­riage, range and cargo and troop trans­port among oth­ers.

Second phase

But one com­plex­ity in the last com­pe­ti­tion was how to value nearly 800 smaller require­ments that were not weighted prior to the out­set of the source selec­tion.

In the sec­ond phase, the Pentagon would then focus on value. The Defense Department would request a best and final offer from both bid­ders for the devel­op­ment and pro­cure­ment of the first 68 (of 179) air­craft. The win­ner would be selected on the best total com­bined cost, he says.

Based on the pre­vi­ous com­pe­ti­tion, Northrop’s com­bined cost for devel­op­ment and first units was $12.5 bil­lion com­pared to Boeing’s $15.4 bil­lion. Boeing’s pro­posal was based on mod­i­fi­ca­tions to its 767–200 while Northrop’s was a ver­sion of the Airbus A330-​​200.

“If we went back for a best price pro­posal from both of those teams, we would get bet­ter prices,” Young says.

He notes that life­cy­cle cost would be too thorny because of fluc­tu­a­tions in areas out­side the Pentagon’s con­trol. For exam­ple, the price of oil recently dropped, dra­mat­i­cally reduc­ing the life­cy­cle cost of both air­craft. However, fuel effi­ciency of the two bids were dif­fer­ent, and given the chal­lenge of pro­ject­ing such costs in the future, Young says the sim­plest way of con­duct­ing a price com­pe­ti­tion is to focus solely on the up-​​front price asso­ci­ated with devel­op­ing and buy­ing the first air­craft.

Young asserts this strat­egy could be use­ful as the Pentagon embarks on other pro­grams that build off of com­mer­cially avail­able prod­ucts. Still, some law­mak­ers are push­ing the con­cept of buy­ing both designs and split­ting pro­cure­ment between the two pro­duc­tion lines.

‘Very bad deci­sion’

Top Air Force offi­cials have pre­vi­ously and repeat­edly said the service’s bud­get can­not bear the cost of both devel­op­ments. Furthermore, buy­ing two designs at once would require the Pentagon to oper­ate five tanker mod­els simul­ta­ne­ously until one is retired. These would be the mas­sive KC-​​135 fleet (which is the first to be replaced), the KC-​​130, KC-​​10 and the two new variants.

Read the rest of this story, see a hot shot of a post-​​IED medic, check out DARPA’s river rover and get a look at the USAF’s cyber gun from our Aviation Week friends exclu­sively at Military​.com.

– Christian

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  1. DC2 Jennings says:
    November 3, 2008 at 10:10 am

    OK, so let me get this straight:
    We are NOW look­ing for a best price pro­posal from both ven­dors to pro­cure 68 air­craft.
    Uh, they con­sider this a new way of doing things? I mean, if I wanted to buy some­thing that had to be man­u­fac­tured. And I wanted to solicit bids from mul­ti­ple ven­dors. Isn’t stan­dard prac­tice to cre­ate spec­i­fi­ca­tions and solicit bids based on those spec­i­fi­ca­tions and the quan­tity of what­ever you are look­ing to pur­chase?
    Regarding fuel effi­ciency as an exam­ple. I’m sure there is a min­i­mum spec for fuel burn for the engines. So as long as you meet the spec (regard­less of by how much) what does it mat­ter? After all we have very qual­i­fied and tal­ented engi­neers cre­at­ing these spec­i­fi­ca­tions right? They should be able to quan­tify some min­i­mum num­ber based on need, tech­nol­ogy avail­abe, future tech­nol­ogy, and cost (among other vari­ables).
    Personally I think it is in the spec­i­fi­ca­tions /​ tech doc /​ bid doc cre­ation sec­tion that things are get­ting screwed up. There is not enough man­power in this area or the over­sight of these pro­grams.
    I’m stupi­fied.
    DC2

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  2. stephen russell says:
    November 3, 2008 at 10:12 am

    Scrap KC10 but use KC130 for Tac Ops, & down­size the KC135 with the old­est plane First to the newest? Then bring in the new Tanker model.
    Very doable.
    But retain of all the:
    KC130 & the new vari­ants.
    Budgetwise doable

    Reply
  3. HPC says:
    November 3, 2008 at 10:59 am

    Of course Obama is going to select Boeing for his cronies, so the plan is mute. Never was about any­thing other than pol­i­tics and jobs.

    Reply
  4. Hibby says:
    November 3, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    What does Obama have to do with anything?

    Reply
  5. HPC says:
    November 3, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Where is Boeing’s HQ? Who does Obama rep­re­sent? Who does Obama want to help?
    Don’t be naive. This pro­gram is not about select­ing the best plane based on some objec­tive mer­its, it is about other things, and not what is best for the war fighter.
    Boeing has more Congressional sup­port already, but Obama being in the WH only makes Boeing’s ‘win’ even more cer­tain, for all those rea­sons.
    If some­how, NOC/​EADS does win out­right, I will be shocked, and my faith in large ticket pro­cure­ments will be restored.

    Reply
  6. Drake says:
    November 3, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    The deal was rigged in favor of Boeing from the start, regard­less of which pres­i­dent was in office. This deal is going to pro­vide cer­tain states with vital man­u­fac­tur­ing jobs.

    Reply
  7. DC2 Jennings says:
    November 3, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    HPC,
    I agree with you, so what’s your point?
    Drake is right. We need man­u­fac­tur­ing jobs here in America.
    Maybe the more impor­tant ques­tion with regards to the KC-​​X is which Boeing air­plane would be the best suited to the Air Force’s needs. It would seem to me the 777 or 787 is a bet­ter air­craft than the 767.
    DC2

    Reply
  8. pfcem says:
    November 4, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Young & Gates are STILL try­ing to pull a fast one.
    The KC-​​30 DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS — it was NOT “tech­ni­cally com­pli­ant” (that is not to say with more work it could not be). Read the GAO rul­ing on Boeing’s protest!
    The 800+ require­ments WERE weighted. They were weighted as gen­eral groups rather than indi­vid­u­ally. And guess what, the KC-​​767AT not only meet (& was found to be supe­rior in) MORE require­ments but (gen­er­ally speek­ing) those which it was found to be supe­rior in were in groups weighter HIGHER than those the KC-​​30 was found supe­rior in…
    I ask again, does the $15.4 bil­lion include the over $5 bil­lion that the KC-​​X source selec­tion team INAPROPRIATELY added to Boeing’s bid?
    Oh yeah, let’s ignor life cycle cost since the DIFFERENCE in total life cycle cost between the KC-​​767AT & the KC-​​30 could be as high as the total devel­ope­ment & pro­cure­ments costs…Don’t give me this BS that cal­cu­lat­ing life cycle cost is too dif­fi­cult, have they got­ten ANY devel­ope­ment &/​or pro­cure­ment cost right for ANY major mil­i­tary pro­gram in the 21st century?

    Reply
  9. DC2 Jennings says:
    November 4, 2008 at 6:50 am

    pfcem,
    The answer to your last ques­tion would be yes. I do believe the SR-​​71 came in under time and under bud­get.
    But alas, that was when “The Greatest Generation” was in charge. Now we have the me first baby boomers that are con­cerned about their cor­po­rate prof­its or try­ing to find a way to go from the mil­i­tary to civil­ian life as eas­ily as pos­si­ble.
    Oh, and less gov­ern­ment over­sight and even less money to fund said over­sight. But hey, we got our tax breaks from a smaller gov­ern­ment.
    The min­ers in the Crandal (sp) Mine are just as happy about the reduc­tion in MSA over­sight as well.
    DC2

    Reply
  10. DC2 Jennings says:
    November 4, 2008 at 6:51 am

    My bad, you said 21st cen­tury. Strike SR-​​71 and replace with “we’re screwed”.
    DC2

    Reply
  11. /sea/ says:
    November 4, 2008 at 8:18 am

    Watch the Obama Administration try and buy BOTH planes. It will be a glar­ing exam­ple of Obama

    Reply
  12. DC2 Jennings says:
    November 4, 2008 at 10:12 am

    OK, so Obama is going to buy the KC-​​30 because he is a Euro-​​France lov­ing lib­eral. He is going to buy the KC-​​767 because of the pow­er­ful Boeing lobby in his home­s­tate, appar­ently again because of his lib­eral genes. Now he will be buy­ing both because he is a flip flop­ping, can’t make a black and white deci­sion, lib­eral.
    Interesting. Now I know why lib­er­als can be both facist and com­mu­nist at the same time.
    DC2

    Reply
  13. Sgt JFK says:
    November 4, 2008 at 11:12 am

    If we are look­ing at this from a “We need man­u­fac­tur­ing jobs in the US” point. You have to go with the KC-​​45. Boeing has more than enough work to do for the forsee­able future (777 and 787 orders). the KC-​​45 would mean jobs in a new fac­tory down south.

    Reply
  14. Bill says:
    February 4, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Does any­one else have a prob­lem with buy­ing for­eign equip­ment for our defense when we make it here?
    Obama will buy the Boeing plane because of the reces­sion. There is no way they could jus­tify a buy­ing for­eign plane and mod­i­fy­ing it here.
    The Boeing plane can be mod­i­fied to meet the require­ment which is done all the time. Id rather see the money go here than into pock­ets of those that caused this mess, at lease we get a plane.
    Jobs=Votes

    Reply

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