Comments on: Paks Rumbling with Afghan Rebels?

By: Jerry Gyreene

Jerry Gyreene — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:24:45 +0000

Thanks for the heads up, Chris’!!
btw.……interesting photo, hmmnn?
WINK!!!
JG

By: Aussie Armchair General

Aussie Armchair General — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:35:39 +0000

>The only way to stabilize and achieve a lasting success in Afghanistan is to destroy ISI
Exactly how do you propose that the U.S. carry out this task? Cruise missiles on ISI headquarters? Logistical concerns alone dictate that the U.S. needs Pakistan on its side. To say nothing of concerns of Pakistan and its nuclear weapons falling under the control of the Taliban and other radical groups.
>They were the primary backers of the Taliban, with American support, for many many years.
Since when did the U.S. support the Taliban? Once the Soviets were kicked out of Afghanistan the U.S. indifference to Afghanistan was almost total. The Taliban are largely the creation of ISI.
Yes the Pakistan government has legitimate “interests”. These don’t include directly supporting the Taliban or even just turning a blind eye to the creation of sanctuaries within Pakistan that permit the Taliban to create chaos in Afghanistan. The U.S. needs to address the legitimate Pakistan security concerns by brokering a settlement between India and Pakistan over Kashmir and to take whatever steps are necessary to make the Pakistanis see that Afghanistan is not and will not become part of some encirclement of Pakistan by India.
That’s the carrot — the stick is direct action against Al-Qaeda and their Pashtun supporters and protectors and the threat of the U.S. boosting the interests of India in the region at the expense of Pakistan if Pakistan fails to cooperate. Plus calling a halt to the billions of dollars the U.S. is spending to prop up Pakistan’s government.
For the U.S. it is a balancing act: it cannot afford to undermine the Pakistani to the extent that Pakistan becomes a failed state. Not when it has nukes. Nor can it continue to permit sanctuaries in the NWF to continue unmolested.

By: pedestrian

pedestrian — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:38:11 +0000

Christian, it has been well known for ISI support for these terrorist elements. It was no surprise for me either. The ISI has also been engaging disinformation against the US government on deaths of terrorist officials within Pakistan. If you have any connection to DAWN, or someone who could hook you up, you may find much more about this.

By: Andre

Andre — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:17:21 +0000

The answer is ‘YES’ but not a clear cut one.
ISI has to play with both sides. The reason for most of us is not apparent but important enough for Pakistani government.
Pakistan is made up of many nationalities and last but not least Pashtuns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtun) living in mountainous tribal area along with Taliban and Al-Quaeda. Pashtuns are ethnic Afghans who essentially existed on their own for centuries in those areas and are not very friendly to foreign armies operating in their home country — Afghanistan. To add to this, Pakistani govt doesn’t have much of a control of those areas. Now, if they decide to move in and lay down the law they will essentially might ignite local uprising (Pashtuns are 2nd largest ethnic group in Pakistan) which obviously is not their intention. Therefore, most of the time Pakistani government appears to ‘sit on the fence’ when it comes to curbing cross-border attacks into Afghanistan and ISI keeps playing both sides.
Coincidently enough, here is recent article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7734764.stm) on cross-border Nato attack into Pakistan and typical Pakistani response to it (I don’t pass a judgment here).
So considering the situation, we might just have to get used to ‘not so clear answers’ and get on with sh**t shoving ourselves. Such is the nature of this game.

By: Roy Smith

Roy Smith — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:39:55 +0000

I’ve said this before that I believe that the reason the U.S. & NATO have not sent more troops into Afghanistan(with appropriate heavy armor) is because of the potential stranglehold that Pakistan,Iran,& the former Soviet Central Asian States have over Afghanistan. If all of these nations,backed by both Russia AND China,put their collective heads together,they could throw up a blockade to prevent U.S. & NATO troops from going in &/or out of Afghanistan. With Georgia,Turkey,& Azerbaijan also potentially joining up with these “blockade partners & India & the Ukraine remaining “neutral,” there is absolutely no way to resupply Afghanistan by land,air,or sea. There will be no Afghan version of a “Berlin Airlift” in this scenario. We seriously need to cut our losses in Afghanistan & get out NOW.We should leave Afghanistan first before we leave Iraq.

By: Wembley

Wembley — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:36:55 +0000

This helps to underline that military action is never goign to resolve the conflict.
Without political engagement it will never get any better — and may get a lot worse. Pakistan is a large and populous nation which cannot simply be ignored, and they have their interests too.

By: drm

drm — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:27:47 +0000

Conflating the Taliban with Al Quaeda is a huge mistake. They arent the same thing at all. The Taliban are islamic nationalists first and foremost. Al-Quaeda were something altogether different, and who happened base themselves in Afghanistan for reasons of convenience, as well as access to a large community if veterans of the wars against the Soviets. “Al-Quaeda” means “the base”, and originally referred to a database of Afghan war veterans held by a Saudi Charity.
Of course the Pakis have relationships with Afghans of all stripes — Taliban and others. They were the primary backers of the Taliban, with American support, for many many years. I imagine that they view the current situation as temporary, and that eventually the Taliban or its successors will rule Afghanistan again at some point in the future. It would be in their best interests to keep relationships will all parties that rule or may rule Afghanistan.
“persistent ties that have withstood over a long period of time” — cant imagine anyone letting go of those easily.

By: Jim

Jim — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:50:12 +0000

That read like a yes.
Should anyone be surprised? No.

By: kabura

kabura — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:15:35 +0000

It is terrifying that Mr. Edelman doesn’t express himself clearly on the issue of ISI involvement with the Taliban and al-Qaeda. Edelman belongs to a Western category which has always been apologetic to the “Axis of Evil” of ISI+alQaeda+Taliban.
ISI is responsible for 9/11 and the continued strife and instability in Afghanistan. This is clear as the sun!
The most dangerous and terrifying aspect of Mr. Edelman, who is unfortunately the policy chief at the Pentagon, is that he is asking for “more time” for the ISI to prove us wrong. But Mr. Edelman should remember that he will be held responsible for his negligence of ISI.
“Time” is exactly what the terrorist and extremist ISI wishes for. Seven years, plus billions of dollar in cash, arms, political and diplomatic support to the Pakistani army, thousands of civilian deaths, military losses etc. seem not to be anough for Edelman and the likes, who should be dismissed for incompetence from the U.S. army and administration.
Remember: The only way to stabilize and achieve a lasting success in Afghanistan is to destroy ISI, which is nothing but al-Qaeda and Taliban. Otherwise prepare yourself for a defeat in Afghanistan.
Then Mr.

By: CR

CR — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:55:12 +0000

Not a suprise.….the relationship between the ISI and the Taliban goes way back.