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Home » Av Week Extra » Dogfight Over F-​​22 Reveals DoD Schisms

Dogfight Over F-​​22 Reveals DoD Schisms

This arti­cle first appeared in Aerospace Daily & Defense Report.

The bat­tle over how many F-​​22 Raptors the U.S. Air Force requires is reveal­ing some nasty infight­ing as the White House admin­is­tra­tion change nears.

The Defense Secretary staff has told Air Force plan­ners not to talk to con­gres­sional staffers and to work only through the offices of Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon England and acqui­si­tion chief John Young.

Insiders on Capitol Hill con­tend that the Defense Department has been and is con­tin­u­ing to with­hold F-​​22 funds — in defi­ance of the law and the intent of Congress — in an attempt to pun­ish the Air Force. England is still angry about the service’s suc­cess in get­ting Congress to approve long-​​lead fund­ing for 20 more air­craft, which would bring the service’s total to 203 stealthy fight­ers.

However, the Office of the Secretary of Defense has released funds for only four air­craft, which brought howls from aero­space ana­lysts that it is too few air­craft to avoid a shut­down of pro­duc­tion between admin­is­tra­tions.

The U.S. Air Force’s new chief of staff, Gen. Norton Schwartz, is soon sup­posed to tell the chair­man of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Carl Levin (D-​​Mich.), how many F-​​22s the ser­vice needs beyond the 183 that are already in the bud­get.

Schwartz’s bud­geters and plan­ners are expected to rec­om­mend a force of 250–275, a cut of more than 100 air­craft from the service’s cur­rent require­ment of 381. The 250 would allow a force of seven squadrons with 24 air­craft each or 10 squadrons with 18 Raptors.

Young points out that there is no money in the Air Force’s bud­get plans for fis­cal 2010 for F-​​22s. Neither Congress nor the defense sec­re­tary want to keep fund­ing F-​​22 and C-​​17 pro­duc­tion through sup­ple­men­tal defense bud­gets.

“John is stuck tak­ing direc­tion from England, which I think he agrees with in this case, unlike with the alter­na­tive engine for the F-​​35 [which England attempted to kill],” says a Washington-​​based offi­cial with insight into the affray between the Air Force, Congress and senior Pentagon civil­ians. “Plus John has peo­ple around him who have their own agenda, or are not com­pe­tent. They had John believ­ing that the num­bers being used by Lockheed and the Air Force late last week were from a Rand study on F-​​22 that has noth­ing to do with the cur­rent cir­cum­stances.

“I don’t know where all the [defense] money is going to come from,” he says. “But at least with the F-​​22 we know what we are get­ting and have some grasp of the cost.“

A new study from the Center for Strategic and International Studies — whose CEO, John Hamre, has been men­tioned as a pos­si­ble can­di­date for President-​​elect Barack Obama’s defense sec­re­tary — con­tends that war costs, man­power costs, under­funded oper­a­tions and pro­cure­ment crises in every ser­vice will force the new admin­is­tra­tion to reshape almost every aspect of cur­rent defense plans, pro­grams and bud­gets.

Obama will be faced with con­tracts worth $70 bil­lion (Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter, Transformational Satellite, the Combat Search and Rescue Helicopter and a new tanker air­craft) that would be added to cur­rent pro­cure­ment and force mod­ern­iza­tion plans that total more than $183 bil­lion in the fis­cal 2009 defense bud­get, say Anthony Cordesman and Hans Kaeser, authors of “Defense Procurement by Paralysis.”

Read the rest of this story, check out the bat­tle over F-​​16 radar, see why Aussie ships are sail­ing home and read how the Taliban might start talk­ing from our Aviation Week friends exclu­sively on Military​.com.

– Christian

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  1. Roy Smith says:
    November 19, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    It would so con­ve­nient to blame Obama if all of these defense projects get can­celed or cut back,but it is the “con­ser­v­a­tive(?)” Bush admin­is­tra­tion that is doing all of the cut­ting back. Truly there is not a dime’s worth of dif­fer­ence between the Democrats & Republicans. Just like Gore would have done the exact same things that Bush did the last 8 years,McCain would do what Obama is going to do. Obama does not need a fil­i­buster proof senate,both the Democrats & repub­li­cans will bi-​​partizanly screw us over for the next 4 years.

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  2. evangeline_whittake says:
    November 19, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Keynesian eco­nom­ics rule 2: in times of reces­sion gov­ern­ments should spend extra money upgrad­ing pub­lic infra­struc­ture.
    its no inter­state high­way sys­tem or hoover dam but force mod­ern­iza­tion will serve the same purpose.

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  3. Dennis says:
    November 19, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Please, no name call­ing. Have a lit­tle class.
    This is an F-​​22 arti­cle not a eco­nomic the­ory arti­cle.
    The F-​​22 has been in trou­ble for a while. It would be nice to see at least it con­tinue to be in pro­duc­tion and have a steasy build rate, even if the num­ber were low (5–10 a year).
    The F-​​22 is the future of air com­bat. Our mil­i­tary is cur­rently con­fig­ured to work with the assump­tion of air supe­ri­or­ity.
    Without it we are ask­ing for trouble.

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  4. D R Lunsford says:
    February 8, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    The faster we shed this use­less turkey buz­zard the bet­ter. Spend the money on A10s, F15s, and F18s. They are rel­a­tively cheap, hard as nails, and depend­able. There are no more bat­tles to be won in the air. It’s over up there — an F15 can already turn faster than a human being can with­stand. High-​​tech high cost BS weapons sys­tems are guar­an­teed losers. (Maybe that’s why we keep los­ing wars to men in paja­mas.)
    –drl

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  5. D R Lunsford says:
    February 8, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Dennis — you don’t know jack about air com­bat. There are three regimes of air war — air-​​to-​​air, air-​​to-​​ground, and ground sup­port. All of these areas are com­pletely cov­ered by the F15, F18, and A10. These planes were built to be com­pat­i­ble with the lev­els of human endurance in turn­ing, arm­ing, and fir­ing. Even if the F22 were not over­weight, under­pow­ered, del­i­cate, and far from invis­i­ble, it’s a com­plete waste of time because the prob­lems of air war are already solved. What is needed are reli­able gun and mis­sile plat­forms in huge num­bers. Apparently the US mil­i­tary is short on his­tor­i­cal knowl­edge. We seem deter­mined to repeat the mis­takes of repeat losers like the Germans and Russians.
    –drl

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