DefenseTech Military.com
  • Categories
  • Full Archives
  • Monthly Archives
  • About Defense Tech
Subscribe to RSS

About Defense Tech

Defense Tech examines the intersection of technology and defense from every angle and provides analysis on what’s ahead.

Tip Us Off

Tip for Defense Tech?

SEND IT!

It’s Confidential!

Categories

  • ‘Canes
  • Af-Cam
  • Afghan Update
  • Ammo and Munitions
  • Armor
  • Around the Globe
  • Av Week Extra
  • Axe in Iraq (and Elsewhere)
  • Bizarro
  • Blimps
  • Blog Bidness
  • Body Armor Blues
  • Bomb Squad
  • Brownshoes in Action
  • Bubbleheads, etc.
  • Cammo Green
  • Catch the “Buzz”
  • Chem-Bio
  • Civilian Apps
  • Cloak and Dagger
  • Commandos
  • Comms
  • Contingency Ops
  • Cops and Robbers
  • Crazy Ivan
  • Cyber-warfare
  • Data Diving
  • Defense Tech Poll
  • Defense Tech Radio
  • Dissent Tech
  • Door Kickers
  • Drones
  • DT Administrivia
  • Eat DT’s Dust
  • Extra! Extra!
  • Eye on China
  • F-35 Watch
  • Fast Movers
  • FCS Watch
  • Fire for Effect
  • FOS Files
  • Friday Funnies
  • Gadgets and Gear
  • Going Green
  • Grand Ole Osprey
  • Ground Vehicles
  • Guns
  • Homeland Security
  • In the Bubble with Joe Buff
  • In the Weeds with Eric
  • Info War
  • Iraq Diary
  • Jarhead Jazz
  • JSF Watch
  • Just War Theories
  • Lasers and Ray Guns
  • Less-lethal
  • Logistics
  • Los Alamos and Labs
  • M4 Monopoly
  • Medic!
  • Mercs
  • Missiles
  • Money Money Money
  • Most Wanted
  • MRAP Edge
  • Net-Centric
  • Nukes
  • Old Skool
  • Our Shrinking Planet
  • PEO Soldier
  • Planes, Copters, Blimps
  • Podcast
  • Politricks
  • Polmar’s Perspective
  • Popular Mechanics
  • Rapid Fire
  • Raptor Watch
  • Red Team
  • Retro-Futuro
  • Robots
  • Roll Your Own
  • Sabra Tech
  • Ships and Subs
  • Snipertech
  • Soldier Systems
  • Space
  • Special Ops
  • Star Wars
  • Strategery
  • Stray Trons
  • Tactical Development
  • Terror Tech
  • The Deadlies
  • The Defense Biz
  • The Peoples’ Site
  • The Sunday Paper
  • The Tanker Tango
  • The View from Av Week
  • Those Nutty Norks
  • Training and Sims
  • Trimble on the Case
  • Uncategorized
  • Video Lounge
  • War Update
  • Ward’z Wonderz
  • You can run…

Archives

  • February 2010
  • January 2010
  • December 2009
  • November 2009
  • October 2009
  • September 2009
  • August 2009
  • July 2009
  • June 2009
  • May 2009
  • April 2009
  • March 2009
  • February 2009
  • January 2009
  • December 2008
  • November 2008
  • October 2008
  • September 2008
  • August 2008
  • July 2008
  • June 2008
  • May 2008
  • April 2008
  • March 2008
  • February 2008
  • January 2008
  • December 2007
  • November 2007
  • October 2007
  • September 2007
  • August 2007
  • July 2007
  • June 2007
  • May 2007
  • April 2007
  • March 2007
  • February 2007
  • January 2007
  • December 2006
  • November 2006
  • October 2006
  • September 2006
  • August 2006
  • July 2006
  • June 2006
  • May 2006
  • April 2006
  • March 2006
  • February 2006
  • January 2006
  • December 2005
  • November 2005
  • October 2005
  • September 2005
  • August 2005
  • July 2005
  • June 2005
  • May 2005
  • April 2005
  • March 2005
  • February 2005
  • January 2005
  • December 2004
  • November 2004
  • October 2004
  • September 2004
  • August 2004
  • July 2004
  • June 2004
  • May 2004
  • April 2004
  • March 2004
  • February 2004
  • January 2004
  • December 2003
  • November 2003
  • October 2003
  • September 2003
  • August 2003
  • July 2003
  • June 2003
  • May 2003
  • April 2003
  • March 2003
  • February 2003
  • January 2003

Home » Av Week Extra » Dogfight Over F-22 Reveals DoD Schisms

Dogfight Over F-22 Reveals DoD Schisms

This article first appeared in Aerospace Daily & Defense Report.

The battle over how many F-22 Raptors the U.S. Air Force requires is revealing some nasty infighting as the White House administration change nears.

The Defense Secretary staff has told Air Force planners not to talk to congressional staffers and to work only through the offices of Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon England and acquisition chief John Young.

Insiders on Capitol Hill contend that the Defense Department has been and is continuing to withhold F-22 funds — in defiance of the law and the intent of Congress — in an attempt to punish the Air Force. England is still angry about the service’s success in getting Congress to approve long-lead funding for 20 more aircraft, which would bring the service’s total to 203 stealthy fighters.

However, the Office of the Secretary of Defense has released funds for only four aircraft, which brought howls from aerospace analysts that it is too few aircraft to avoid a shutdown of production between administrations.

The U.S. Air Force’s new chief of staff, Gen. Norton Schwartz, is soon supposed to tell the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Carl Levin (D-Mich.), how many F-22s the service needs beyond the 183 that are already in the budget.

Schwartz’s budgeters and planners are expected to recommend a force of 250–275, a cut of more than 100 aircraft from the service’s current requirement of 381. The 250 would allow a force of seven squadrons with 24 aircraft each or 10 squadrons with 18 Raptors.

Young points out that there is no money in the Air Force’s budget plans for fiscal 2010 for F-22s. Neither Congress nor the defense secretary want to keep funding F-22 and C-17 production through supplemental defense budgets.

“John is stuck taking direction from England, which I think he agrees with in this case, unlike with the alternative engine for the F-35 [which England attempted to kill],” says a Washington-based official with insight into the affray between the Air Force, Congress and senior Pentagon civilians. “Plus John has people around him who have their own agenda, or are not competent. They had John believing that the numbers being used by Lockheed and the Air Force late last week were from a Rand study on F-22 that has nothing to do with the current circumstances.

“I don’t know where all the [defense] money is going to come from,” he says. “But at least with the F-22 we know what we are getting and have some grasp of the cost.“

A new study from the Center for Strategic and International Studies — whose CEO, John Hamre, has been mentioned as a possible candidate for President-elect Barack Obama’s defense secretary — contends that war costs, manpower costs, underfunded operations and procurement crises in every service will force the new administration to reshape almost every aspect of current defense plans, programs and budgets.

Obama will be faced with contracts worth $70 billion (Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter, Transformational Satellite, the Combat Search and Rescue Helicopter and a new tanker aircraft) that would be added to current procurement and force modernization plans that total more than $183 billion in the fiscal 2009 defense budget, say Anthony Cordesman and Hans Kaeser, authors of “Defense Procurement by Paralysis.”

Read the rest of this story, check out the battle over F-16 radar, see why Aussie ships are sailing home and read how the Taliban might start talking from our Aviation Week friends exclusively on Military​.com.

– Christian

Share |

November 19th, 2008 | Av Week Extra | 41916 Comments »http://defensetech.org/2008/11/19/dogfight-over-f-22-reveals-dod-schisms/Dogfight+Over+F-22+Reveals+DoD+Schisms2008-11-19+13%3A25%3A59Ward You can skip to the end and leave a response. Pinging is currently not allowed.

« « V-22 = F-22? | Marines Being Marines (Better than Last Time) » »

This website uses IntenseDebate comments, but they are not currently loaded because either your browser doesn't support JavaScript, or they didn't load fast enough.

  1. Roy Smith says:
    November 19, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    It would so convenient to blame Obama if all of these defense projects get canceled or cut back,but it is the “conservative(?)” Bush administration that is doing all of the cutting back. Truly there is not a dime’s worth of difference between the Democrats & Republicans. Just like Gore would have done the exact same things that Bush did the last 8 years,McCain would do what Obama is going to do. Obama does not need a filibuster proof senate,both the Democrats & republicans will bi-partizanly screw us over for the next 4 years.

    Reply
  2. evangeline_whittake says:
    November 19, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Keynesian economics rule 2: in times of recession governments should spend extra money upgrading public infrastructure.
    its no interstate highway system or hoover dam but force modernization will serve the same purpose.

    Reply
  3. Dennis says:
    November 19, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Please, no name calling. Have a little class.
    This is an F-22 article not a economic theory article.
    The F-22 has been in trouble for a while. It would be nice to see at least it continue to be in production and have a steasy build rate, even if the number were low (5–10 a year).
    The F-22 is the future of air combat. Our military is currently configured to work with the assumption of air superiority.
    Without it we are asking for trouble.

    Reply
  4. D R Lunsford says:
    February 8, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    The faster we shed this useless turkey buzzard the better. Spend the money on A10s, F15s, and F18s. They are relatively cheap, hard as nails, and dependable. There are no more battles to be won in the air. It’s over up there — an F15 can already turn faster than a human being can withstand. High-tech high cost BS weapons systems are guaranteed losers. (Maybe that’s why we keep losing wars to men in pajamas.)
    –drl

    Reply
  5. D R Lunsford says:
    February 8, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Dennis — you don’t know jack about air combat. There are three regimes of air war — air-to-air, air-to-ground, and ground support. All of these areas are completely covered by the F15, F18, and A10. These planes were built to be compatible with the levels of human endurance in turning, arming, and firing. Even if the F22 were not overweight, underpowered, delicate, and far from invisible, it’s a complete waste of time because the problems of air war are already solved. What is needed are reliable gun and missile platforms in huge numbers. Apparently the US military is short on historical knowledge. We seem determined to repeat the mistakes of repeat losers like the Germans and Russians.
    –drl

    Reply

Leave a Reply

Click here to cancel reply.

Spam Protection by WP-SpamFree

NOTE: Comments are limited to 2500 characters and spaces.

By commenting on this topic you agree to the terms and conditions of our User Agreement

    Recent Articles
    • JSF Price Tag Jumps to $135 Million
    • EADS Tanker, Not Dead Yet
    • JFCOM’s Mattis Pushes Light IW Aircraft
    • And, the Vertical Landing
    • NLOS-LS Missile Fail Could Impact Navy’s LCS
    • JFCOM’s JOE Whacks Defense Industry
    • New F-35B Hover Video
    • China’s Shipbuilding in a Regional Context
    • Debating the Pros and Cons of LCS
    • Bigger, Badder IEDs in Afghanistan
    Recent Comments
    • JSF Price Tag Jumps to $135 Million
      I reckon that the J-10 would be a good bet. Y'all...
      Chimp
    • Raptor Down (58-40)
      This story never gets old. This plane was never meant to be this...
      DeepThinker
    • JFCOM’s Mattis Pushes Light IW Aircraft
      um… they already have them. Hunters and...
      Buongi
    • JFCOM’s Mattis Pushes Light IW Aircraft
      Interesting, though, from my experience, many...
      Buongi
    • JSF Price Tag Jumps to $135 Million
      Not completely true-remember the Navy can be very picky...
      Chops
    • JSF Price Tag Jumps to $135 Million
      I think by the end of the year some of those flags are...
      Tom
    • JSF Price Tag Jumps to $135 Million
      I am not advocating non use of F22s&F35s in daylight...
      Chops
    • JFCOM’s Mattis Pushes Light IW Aircraft
      Guys this platform is about CAS but not in the...
      ANGRYTACP
    • JSF Price Tag Jumps to $135 Million
      Blaming the contractors for a development system created...
      G Lof
    • JSF Price Tag Jumps to $135 Million
      'Nor really stealthy'? LOL! – Only in...
      SMSgt Mac
  • Channels:Military.com | Military Benefits | Military News | Off Duty |Join the Military | Military Education | Veteran Jobs | Military Money |Military Deals | Military Family | Military Community
  • Military.com Network:Military.com | MilBlogging | Defense Tech | DoD Buzz |SpouseBuzz | Fred's Place | GI Bill Express
  • Services: Army | Navy | Air Force | Marine Corps |Coast Guard | National Guard | Military Spouse
  • About Military.com About Us | Advertise With Us | Press | Affiliate Program |Monster Network | Help | Feedback | Privacy Policy |User Agreement| © 2010 Military Advantage