Comments on: The Sunday Paper (Transition Edition)

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By: Total

Total — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:55:58 +0000

“Total’s statement about no Progressives“
Read again, Byron. It wasn’t my statement.

By: SMSgt Mac

SMSgt Mac — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:51:56 +0000

The Theodore Roosevelt references are engaging. I was at one time a great admirer of TR, to the point I forced my son to read the Rise of Theodore Roosevelt in junior high for a book report. (He loved it).
Now I am merely a fan of his. He was a man for his time — flawed though he was, for a brief time. I often wonder how ‘progressive’ he would find what passes for modern progressives. You can’t judge a product of the 19th Century to the standards of the 21st Century of course, but I’m pretty certain he would be smart enough to abandon some of his more progressive ideas if he saw where some of them went.
Progressive became a dirty word of course AFTER TR, and you would be hard pressed to find someone who admitted to be one outside of Minnesota past the Woodrow Wilson presidency for good reason.

By: Wes

Wes — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:33:32 +0000

I would submit that Byron Skinner, with his blanket statement that “In short Conservatives are always looking into the rear view mirror long for what was. Liberals threw away the rearview mirror and can only see ahead.” represents what is wrong with what Americans are becoming… simplistic, petulant and adolescent.
The Death of the Adult. The refusal to respect other points of view. Assigning the worse motives to your ideological enemies.
This is quite common today, especially amongst the Left. We Conservatives think Liberal policies are misguided; Liberals think Conservatives THEMSELVES are evil. Just look at the way they demonize Republicans, and are allowed to get away with it (while if a Conservative criticises them, it becomes HATE SPEECH). This is childish. Irresposnsible. Selfish.
I believe this attitude derives from the total Liberal control of the Media and Academia. Liberals view thier ideas as so obviously correct, questioning them means the questioner is a bad person. So, no learning takes place. Conservatives, on the other hand, have to constantly defend our ideas, so they become honed and refined, while the Liberal mindset stagnates. Liberalism, under the twin gods of Multiculturalism and Moral Relativism, is becoming a race to the lowest common denominator in terms of culture and morality. It is a Death Spiral. Good luck with that, liberals, but you’re not taking the rest of us with you.

By: Total

Total — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:46:02 +0000

“Those looking to the past, or holding on to the past are called traditionalists. Although, conservatives are a type of traditionalist. We long for adherance to the CONSTITUTION.“
Strange then that once a conservative administration got into power, they started throwing the Consitution out the window. In fact, four of the last five conservative Presidents have had scandals that damaged the Constitution:
George W. Bush: Oh, brother, too many to mention. Gitmo, torture, etc.
George H.W. Bush: Nothing major
Reagan: Iran-Contra
Ford: Preemptively pardoned Nixon
Nixon: Watergate
Not a record you want to be bragging about.

By: Byron Skinner

Byron Skinner — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:47:04 +0000

Good Evening Guys,
To Wes. If I wanted a friend I would get a dog.
To SMSgt. Mac. Thank you I don’t mind at all being compared to the likes of Theodore Roosevelt a CMH winner and leader of the early 20th. Century Progressives.
I noticed no one mentioned any recent Conservative roll models, I can’t either. The only name that comes to mind is Berry Goldwater but since he felt that gay rights, family planning, abortion were on ones “…damn business.”, and he served his country in WW II ole’ Barry wouldn’t be considered a Conservative.
ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

By: Total

Total — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:13:00 +0000

“In a passage from his book “Audacity of Hope” Senator Obama says he would “stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction”.“
What he actually said was the following:
“Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during WWII, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.“
In other words, he’d stand up for *American citizens* if they got harassed. You have a problem with American citizens, do you?

By: SMSgt Mac

SMSgt Mac — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:12:39 +0000

RE: Shaw quote.
Guilty. Yeah I know, different and more substantiated attributions are out there. But I first heard it cited as a Shaw quote and have been sentimental about it ever since. I felt it was pretty safe area for sloppy scholarship considering there’s also an axiom out there that eventually all quotes will be attributed to Shaw.
Ummmm.… Everyone here is aware that the modern Liberal is really a turn of the 20th Century Progressive, and that Modern Conservativism is the intellectual heir to classic Liberism, right? Right?

By: Wes

Wes — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:39:02 +0000

In a passage from his book “Audacity of Hope” Senator Obama says he would “stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction”.
From another of Obama’s books, “Dreams of My Father” a passage reads: “I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.“
Mix that in your Kool-aid and drink it, Obamatrons.

By: demophilus

demophilus — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:23:54 +0000

@ SGT Mac:
Shaw didn’t say that. The phrase you’re cribbing has been attributed to a lot of people. For example, Clemenceau. See Brewer’s Famous Quotations, p. 146, or:
http://books.google.com/books?id=uIRi0BOvTi4C&pg=PA146&lpg=PA146&dq=A+man+who+is+not+a+liberal+at+the+age+of+twenty+SHAW&source=web&ots=WwGXfH6xqQ&sig=NjjkZmT2aSZ_V9uTnYLzXd2p3jI&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result