Courtesy The Daily Mail: 2,000 Mexican soldiers and federal police reinforce the existing contingent of 2,500 troops in Juarez. Fighting between rival drug cartels, gangs, and Mexican authorities claimed over 6,000 lives in 2008 — making Juarez a beefed up, 21st century version of Dodge City.
–John Noonan
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Aren’t we getting to the point that this ‘war’ on (some) drugs is starting to destabilize the USA’s southern neighbor? Does the USA really need another Colombia on its doorstep?
Does Mexico really want to become another Colombia ?
Mexico needs to cut a deal with the drug lords, the war on drugs isn’t their war and their biggest mistake was to buy into it.
Does Mexico really want to become another Colombia ?
Mexico needs to cut a deal with the drug lords, the war on drugs isn’t their war and their biggest mistake was to buy into it. has a mistake Colombia has paid greatly for.
I don’t think either Mexico or Columbia were all that interested in a true war on drugs. They both have gone through the motions required to get US aid but both consider it more of a US problem than theirs. Problem is, the drug lords aren’t content to be left alone, they want total control. Rival gangs go to war with each other and to hell with any bystanders. There are no limits on the atrocities contemplated by the drug lords. Eventually it becomes a choice between fighting the gangs or total surrender.
I maybe wrong but…
“The current Administration now believes the “War on Drugs” has failed. As a result, the President has announced an immediate phased withdrawal from the United States of America. Leaving behind only a small, yet robust, force of highly trained pot-smoking ninjas in the region. Where the United States will withdraw to, is currently unclear. But according to a senior unnamed Pentagon source; Fiji, Newark, and Guam are all under close consideration.”
Cheers! 8O)
Actually cutting deals with the drug lords and coming to some arrangement with the most moderate so as to drive out the more extreme is what your going to do in Mexico at the end anyways. It is just a matter of how much damage you are willing to do to your country first out of pride.
Because the only other solution as you say is to solve the problems of gun control, immigration and drugs in the US. Good luck with that !
Jaguar Warrior:
First of all, all the best in establishing the rule of law. It is essential for having a free and open society. And let me be clear: I didn’t question going after the drug lords. I do question the policies that allow these thugs to acquire enough money to become a security issue.
Leaving behind only a small, yet robust, force of highly trained pot-smoking ninjas ”
In one word?…EPIC
Jw i have to agree with you in alot of respects….but think about it if we accualy came to your country to help do you seriously think we’ed ever leave i mean seriously nice beaches alcohol beautiful women in bikinies….why leave a new state.
But seriously i think one of the biggest problems with mexico is as you said weak government also increadably corrupt like so many south american governments.(Wtf is up with ex-spanish colonies)
Gun control i have a question why dont the ppl of juarez and such fight the drug cartels fight for themselves? I think we need to have atleast a military presence on the border.
You keep mentioning that we need to control drugs here we’ve tried every time we try were called bad ppl and sent away. First forget pot its seriously retarded to outlaw pot but not beer whisky etc…other drugs screw that but pot is ok (yes ive done it before dont anymore just dont have a real addictive personality.
….anyways i have a idea lets just make the border smaller say about the size of panama…seriously great idea yall can join us as part of the greatest country ever screw everyone else.
Interesting pic there. I definitely wouldn’t want to see those guys rolling into town. Check out the two badasses on the lower left. Everyone else has masks and helmets on.
“And that’s only one part of the problem. The other is the weapon smuggling. USA’s utter lack of control in the border (coming from north to south) could very well be the greatest harm in overall.”
You’re kidding right??
” 9 out of 10 weapons used by the drug cartels came from the north,”
Prove it!! So far that’s just your government saying it. I’m not saying your government is corrupt…… But so far most of the articles talk about piles of rifles seized and one AK traced to Texas.
There is no proof.
” and not any kind of weapon also: AK-47s, AR-15s, .50 pistols, Barret sniper rifles, frag grenades by the dozen and the list goes on.”
Really-frag grenades, grenade launchers and full auto weapons-the ones claimed to be the problem are NOT commonly available here. We can’t get them-are you saying Mexicans are busting into military armories?!?!
However your government buys tons of weapons here and they don’t seem to stay with your government.
Furthermore, these weapons are cheap in Latin America and Asia…..
“Want to help? Control this flow of arms, and half the problem will be gone immediately.”
Maybe a WALL! That would be great-I agree with you there!
” and not any kind of weapon also: AK-47s, AR-15s, .50 pistols, Barret sniper rifles, frag grenades by the dozen and the list goes on.”
yea i forgot about that i can tell you where they came from…the US..as in US government gave them to your gove to fight drug cartels…..the cartels got ruffly 30 to 40% of them through variousl leaks in channels as well as state of the art survalence gear.
Blameing us for the drug problem is kinda like blaming men for a women who works at a brothel…its not his fault shes there.
Your crappy government is like 80% of the problem i will admit drug users in the use play a large role also. Plus corruption is always rampant in socalist systems. though socalism realy just means a group of anywhere from 10 to 100 families runns everything…just same old same old.
Time to militarize the border & end US drug appetite for junk, then war can end.
We must end the Demand from our side.
Meanwhile militarize the border & send every excess Federal bureaucrat to border for Sentry duty alone with locals & state NG units.
Expand 2nd Amend on border.
OK concealed carry.
I say Napalm anything south of border.
Major drugfarms have to be in Sinola Prov Mexico,.
Blow them up.
Ok
Thank god Obama broke the pattern
Jaguar,
“Or have you not read how the US Army has lost tons of equipment that is today readily available in the black market? ”
Which black market?!?
You mean in Iraq right! Not the US-I haven’t read how tons of equipment went missing in the US-because it hasn’t happened.
(For the record, the equipment in Iraq was largely issued out to various factions and agencies in Iraq and the tracking was inadequate.)
“However, I assure you, that
You guys might find these articles interesting…
“After Action Report
Are you joking camp!?!
I was down at Dick’s Sports just the other day looking at Grenade Launchers. I plan on leaving the mossberg behind next fall.
I saw a sale at Bass Pro Shop on RPGs however-so I might go with that!
Took me a while to find it, but here it is:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-08-11-mexico-guns_N.htm
And on that note, good on Mexico. Keep up the attack and take no prisoners, these assholes show no mercy and shouldn’t get any in return.
Jaguar-You quoted.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mexico-arms-race15-2009mar15,0,229992.story
“Drug cartels’ new weaponry means war”
“Most of these weapons are being smuggled from Central American countries or by sea, eluding U.S. and Mexican monitors who are focused on the smuggling of semiauto- matic and conventional weapons purchased from dealers in the U.S. border states of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California.”