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> <channel><title>Comments on: Who Won the First Naval Battle of Yulin?</title> <atom:link href="http://defensetech.org/2009/04/07/who-won-the-first-naval-battle-of-yulin/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/04/07/who-won-the-first-naval-battle-of-yulin/</link> <description>The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 03:16:47 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Total</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/04/07/who-won-the-first-naval-battle-of-yulin/comment-page-2/#comment-98194</link> <dc:creator>Total</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:16:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4432#comment-98194</guid> <description>&quot;Would you agree that you normally recon your targets defenses before the initial attack? If we landed a group of navy seals on that chinese island for &quot;recon&quot; would that be an act of war. My point is, I don&#039;t care that they haven&#039;t attacked yet...The problem is they are probing us presumbly for an attack. We can lay back and assume its nothing, or we can do something about it. I do believe we need to hack into there networks and do the same probing and see what becomes of that.&quot;
All countries do recon during peacetime.  Why countries even send ships near the other country&#039;s coast line to gather signal intelligence.  Ships named Victorious and Impeccable (for sarcasm impaired, see post above).  But recon is not the same thing as war.  Especially not when we&#039;re actually fighting two wars at the moment, real wars, that don&#039;t have &quot;non-lethal battles.&quot;
And what makes you think that we&#039;re NOT hacking into their networks?  We did it to the Soviet Union throughout the Cold War and we&#039;re certainly doing it to the Chinese right now.
Let&#039;s fight the wars we&#039;re actually involved in, and not go looking for wars we&#039;re not, especially when the trumping up of China is being done largely for budgetary reasons. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Would you agree that you normally recon your targets defenses before the initial attack? If we landed a group of navy seals on that chinese island for “recon” would that be an act of war. My point is, I don’t care that they haven’t attacked yet…The problem is they are probing us presumbly for an attack. We can lay back and assume its nothing, or we can do something about it. I do believe we need to hack into there networks and do the same probing and see what becomes of that.“<br
/> All countries do recon during peacetime.  Why countries even send ships near the other country’s coast line to gather signal intelligence.  Ships named Victorious and Impeccable (for sarcasm impaired, see post above).  But recon is not the same thing as war.  Especially not when we’re actually fighting two wars at the moment, real wars, that don’t have “non-lethal battles.“<br
/> And what makes you think that we’re NOT hacking into their networks?  We did it to the Soviet Union throughout the Cold War and we’re certainly doing it to the Chinese right now.<br
/> Let’s fight the wars we’re actually involved in, and not go looking for wars we’re not, especially when the trumping up of China is being done largely for budgetary reasons.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Greg</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/04/07/who-won-the-first-naval-battle-of-yulin/comment-page-2/#comment-98193</link> <dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:00:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4432#comment-98193</guid> <description>Would you agree that you normally recon your targets defenses before the initial attack?  If we landed a group of navy seals on that chinese island for &quot;recon&quot; would that be an act of war.  My point is, I don&#039;t care that they haven&#039;t attacked yet...The problem is they are probing us presumbly for an attack.  We can lay back and assume its nothing, or we can do something about it.  I do believe we need to hack into there networks and do the same probing and see what becomes of that. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you agree that you normally recon your targets defenses before the initial attack?  If we landed a group of navy seals on that chinese island for “recon” would that be an act of war.  My point is, I don’t care that they haven’t attacked yet…The problem is they are probing us presumbly for an attack.  We can lay back and assume its nothing, or we can do something about it.  I do believe we need to hack into there networks and do the same probing and see what becomes of that.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Total</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/04/07/who-won-the-first-naval-battle-of-yulin/comment-page-2/#comment-98192</link> <dc:creator>Total</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:14:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4432#comment-98192</guid> <description>&quot;If they did take out the power Grid, you have the potential for loss of life depending on how long it is out for. It could cost into the billions depending on how much damage they do. &quot;
Sure, and if they actually did crash the grid, then that&#039;s a different issue than what they seem to be doing now, which is reconnaissance. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If they did take out the power Grid, you have the potential for loss of life depending on how long it is out for. It could cost into the billions depending on how much damage they do. “<br
/> Sure, and if they actually did crash the grid, then that’s a different issue than what they seem to be doing now, which is reconnaissance.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Greg</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/04/07/who-won-the-first-naval-battle-of-yulin/comment-page-1/#comment-98191</link> <dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:36:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4432#comment-98191</guid> <description>@ Total&quot;Dude, if you think espionage is the same thing as war, then you must also think that we&#039;ve been at war since the start of the Republic. And you&#039;re an idiot.
We spy on our allies. Does that mean we&#039;re at war with them?
We spy on ourselves. Does that mean we&#039;re at war with ourselves?&quot;
I do believe hacking our power grid is a bit more then espionage.  If they did take out the power Grid, you have the potential for loss of life depending on how long it is out for.  It could cost into the billions depending on how much damage they do.  Not to mention, what type of access they would have to overload remotely monitored power plants.  Seems to me that is an act of war, and if we did it to either of them, they may declare war on us. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Total“Dude, if you think espionage is the same thing as war, then you must also think that we’ve been at war since the start of the Republic. And you’re an idiot.<br
/> We spy on our allies. Does that mean we’re at war with them?<br
/> We spy on ourselves. Does that mean we’re at war with ourselves?“<br
/> I do believe hacking our power grid is a bit more then espionage.  If they did take out the power Grid, you have the potential for loss of life depending on how long it is out for.  It could cost into the billions depending on how much damage they do.  Not to mention, what type of access they would have to overload remotely monitored power plants.  Seems to me that is an act of war, and if we did it to either of them, they may declare war on us.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Drake</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/04/07/who-won-the-first-naval-battle-of-yulin/comment-page-1/#comment-98190</link> <dc:creator>Drake</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 22:26:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4432#comment-98190</guid> <description>Byron Skinner touches on something I read on The Heritage Foundation a while back.
&quot;U.S.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Byron Skinner touches on something I read on The Heritage Foundation a while back.<br
/> “U.S.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Total</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/04/07/who-won-the-first-naval-battle-of-yulin/comment-page-1/#comment-83267</link> <dc:creator>Total</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:55:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4432#comment-83267</guid> <description>&quot;Yep thats what i thought stopped reading it.&quot;
My kingdom for grammar and spelling. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Yep thats what i thought stopped reading it.“<br
/> My kingdom for grammar and spelling.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Valcan</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/04/07/who-won-the-first-naval-battle-of-yulin/comment-page-1/#comment-98189</link> <dc:creator>Valcan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:13:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4432#comment-98189</guid> <description>Posted by: Total at April 8, 2009 08:19 AM
Yep thats what i thought stopped reading it.
anywho i never liked Total more of a special K or reeses puffs person :)
Though i have to say i like egg and spam sandwiches to.. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posted by: Total at April 8, 2009 08:19 AM<br
/> Yep thats what i thought stopped reading it.<br
/> anywho i never liked Total more of a special K or reeses puffs person <img
src='http://defensetech.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br
/> Though i have to say i like egg and spam sandwiches to..</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bob</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/04/07/who-won-the-first-naval-battle-of-yulin/comment-page-1/#comment-83265</link> <dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:30:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4432#comment-83265</guid> <description>China a big worry for the whole world.We the US the super power. Can&#039;t prevent the drugs coming into our country. The drug cartels are making billions.We get more drug addicts. No solution? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China a big worry for the whole world.We the US the super power. Can’t prevent the drugs coming into our country. The drug cartels are making billions.We get more drug addicts. No solution?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Total</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/04/07/who-won-the-first-naval-battle-of-yulin/comment-page-1/#comment-83264</link> <dc:creator>Total</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:15:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4432#comment-83264</guid> <description>&quot;I have found that those who are the most vile and critical are those who chose not to use their own names&quot;
And I&#039;ve found that people who don&#039;t really have a counterargument revert to irrelevancies. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I have found that those who are the most vile and critical are those who chose not to use their own names“<br
/> And I’ve found that people who don’t really have a counterargument revert to irrelevancies.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Byron Skinner</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/04/07/who-won-the-first-naval-battle-of-yulin/comment-page-1/#comment-98188</link> <dc:creator>Byron Skinner</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:13:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4432#comment-98188</guid> <description>Good Afternoon Joe,
I &#039;m in agreement with why the Chinese are fortifying the South China sea. As I&#039;ve mentioned before in posts here I see in the middle to distant future conflict between India and China. With India investing $2 billion in two &quot;new&quot; Russian nukes and it rapidly growing military industrial base, partnership with the Russians on sophisticated weapon systems and building tensions with China&#039;s client state Pakistan, is in my opinion is the more likely reason for China&#039;s actions. But that&#039;s not part of this post and maybe we can have at this on another day.
In regard to what others say, shrug it off. I have found that those who are the most vile and critical are those who chose not to use their own names. If you going to exercise free speech the least one should do is identify themselves. Those who won&#039;t do this are just bull sh** slingers.
ALLONS,
Byron Skinner </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Afternoon Joe,<br
/> I ‘m in agreement with why the Chinese are fortifying the South China sea. As I’ve mentioned before in posts here I see in the middle to distant future conflict between India and China. With India investing $2 billion in two “new” Russian nukes and it rapidly growing military industrial base, partnership with the Russians on sophisticated weapon systems and building tensions with China’s client state Pakistan, is in my opinion is the more likely reason for China’s actions. But that’s not part of this post and maybe we can have at this on another day.<br
/> In regard to what others say, shrug it off. I have found that those who are the most vile and critical are those who chose not to use their own names. If you going to exercise free speech the least one should do is identify themselves. Those who won’t do this are just bull sh** slingers.<br
/> ALLONS,<br
/> Byron Skinner</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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