Comments on: China’s ‘Increasing Naval Threat’ Overstated

By: Dr. Singh

Dr. Singh — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:35:29 +0000

china has no nuclear propelled submarines. there is all carefully planted fake data pertaining to this.

By: Michael

Michael — Sun, 03 May 2009 08:20:40 +0000

It is interesting to read following comments. Current China is compared with Germany and Japan in WWII. However not only Chinese military force cannot compare with what German and Japan had in WWII, but also Chinese foreign policy is The Five peaceful coexistence Principles. The Five Principles are: mutual respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity, mutual non-aggression,
non-interference in each other’s internal affairs, equality and mutual benefit, and peaceful coexistence. China has not fought any war for at least 2 decades. China has no military staying outside China’s territory. If any one is staying force all over the world, occupying other countries, fighting wars in the current world, we know who it is. When Bush used WMD LIE to start Iraq invasion war, he got majority support from US people.

By: Kirk Thomas Langford

Kirk Thomas Langford — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:45:23 +0000

I think that we can not underestimate the Chinese. We did that at the beginning of World War 11 with Hitler, and Japan. May I mention the army of North Korea, and lease we forget 911. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!! Our enemies will not announce their plans, they will just A C T!!!!!!!! We need to make our anti submarine warfare #1. We know our short falls in anti submarine warfare against disel subs, so we must get it right, or suffer in a sneak attack!

By: gsak

gsak — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:20:58 +0000

Nuclear boat crews don’t want to fight diesel boats. Last time I sat ‘Q-6 Passive Broadband Operator, high-pressure steam was a lot louder than an electric motor.

By: Recon-Team

Recon-Team — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:11:16 +0000

First we can’t become complacent, we need to maintain our edge. Second while limited in range, diesel electric submarines can still be very dangerous. Also our 30 Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates still in service are outdated and undergunned and need a replacement.

By: fooman

fooman — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:05:10 +0000

The comparison with the Swedish boat(s) is not fair having done asw workup in Southern CA I can tell you that the water there is pretty bad for sonar conditions (around the channel islands especially) and that prosecuting a sub in there would be a bear. Plus which the Swede boats are seriously quiet and have lots (and lots and lots) of practice against us in those waters. We worked against the last of the old navy guppies (more than 20 years out of date) but since they were at sea more than 200 days a year they were a bear to deal with. The Chinese have always relied on the same strategy as the allies did during WWII that is that quantity has a quality of its own, and if there are 55 attack subs and we cannot get any P-3’s in the air and it takes half a dozen asw ships to prosecute a contact guess what some are not going to get covered.
Foo

By: Valcan

Valcan — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:10:31 +0000

Posted by: Wembley at April 28, 2009 07:41 AM
Yea cause the world needs to be conserned over a people obsessed with cute. Ever watch any movies or anime from japan? Yea ther all about how evil imperialism is and the evils of war.
Yea theres a realy threat there

By: Wembley

Wembley — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:41:04 +0000

Interesting that China is seen as “the enemy” by the US in spite fo the close links between the two nations. There seems to have been a lot more concern recently in SE Asia over the remilitarisation of Japan.
Given that we are now seeing the worst recesssion for decades, the possible outcomes are all too apparent.

By: Curtis

Curtis — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:36:40 +0000

The primary threat from China is not what they can do to the US, but the smaller nations in the region.
Their stick isn’t as big, but they don’t walk as soft. If you were the Phillipines, South Korea, or Japan, would you hold faith that we would always be willing to throw down should the Chinese start getting frisky? Its a risky gamble, much easier to make nice.
If you were one of the nations in the region who isn’t so friendly with us, (Vietnam, malaysia, Myanmar,) then you really have no choice but to shut up and color.
Comparing the PLAN to the US anything is a joke. Compare the PLAN to any of the other powers in the region, and you see the beginnings of a regional power, very influential and quite intimidating.
They have just enough stick to be a thorn in the region.

By: Byron Skinner

Byron Skinner — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:29:59 +0000

Good Evening Folks,
I think I will start off with a little clarification here, I’m not accusing any one of plagiarism but it looks like much of the story line come form a WSJ article in the April 18–19 Weekend edition titled: CHINA FRIEND OR FOE? by Andrew Browne and Gordon Fairclough. The WSJ story was a good piece and deserves credit.
Now off to where Norman gets it wrong. The Chinese are far from any kind of Naval parity with the United States, the idea that this is a decade away is absurd. I won’t address all the classifications mentioned nut will break them down to three.
Carriers: China is behind both of its regional rivals India and Japan in this ares. India has had carriers mostly old British and has learned how operate these prickly vessels, India is in the process of designing and construction its own carriers, maybe a decade maybe longer, Japan has just or in the near future will launch a VTOL/helicopter carrier shortly. China is nowhere near building a conventional carrier let alone a nuclear carrier, which, just ask France, is not all that easy.
Fixed Wing Carrier Aircraft: India has become the licensed manufacturer of the Russian aero space industry and has the infrastructure and manufacturing technology to build carrier aircraft. Japan can but F-18 and F-35’s from the U.S. China still hasn’t been able to after over 20 years make the J-12/13 combat operational.
Blue Water surface ships: Norman give the USN credit for having 122 the WSJ says 107, I think the WSJ’s number is closer. Again India has the license from Russia to build it’s ship design and with in a decade I’m sure India will be producing 5-8K ton surface combat ship based on modified and vastly improved russian design. Japan is already building it’s own version of the Burkes. China although they have according to Normans article 75 surface combat ship, they are suited only for costal patrolling and shaking up Taiwan every few years by firing a missile or two.
Submarines: China has a fleet of 61 attack subs of which 55 are diesel powered Russian K models and 6 nuclear. India is n the process of buying two new Russian nuclear boats for $2 billion and has made no secret out of the fact that these will be the training vessels for an India built nuclear fleet to include SSBN’s. The Russian are objecting but they need the cash. Japan already build a very good diesel sub and will be the first Asian country to develop AIP or Hydrogen (German U-212) powered subs. Meanwhile Chinas nuclear subs are cosidered to non seaworthy and are pie queens. Their boomers are in the same shape with their two newest the Type 094 Jen class station on Hainan Island in sea caves. Makes no difference anyway they have no missiles. The old JL-1 was a liquid fuel desaster, see destruction of one of the Xia class SSBN’s in 1985. It’s replace the JL-2 has been in the making for two decades and is still no where ready for testing. The Chinese are looking to but from the Russians some SLCM’s for the Jen’s.
Finally pictures are worth a 1000 words: With the WSJ article their is two pictures worth noticing. First is one the title page and it show what appears to be Chinese patrol boat and twin barrel AA gun, most likely belt fed 23mm. The punch line here is that such a weapon has not been on a USN ship since WWII. Any AA gun chores is to be done by the 20mm automatic Phalanx system. The second picture shows Chines Special Forces, carrying out a drill on a destroyer, they are armed with Type 090’s rifles but no night vision equipment, no personal communication and most telling no optical sights on any of the rifles.
Clearly China is nowhere near being any threat to the United States nor it region. As for land forces a demonstration was conducted earlier this years and even the Chinese Generals gave it a grade of F. There was insufficient air and ground transport to move the troops and a non functioning supply system.
The U.S. meanwhile is moving ahead. The current budget gets rid of or ends many Naval projects that are eating up funds. The DD 1000, all 3 will be made in Bath not in the Hillbilly Ship Yards of the Gulf of Mexico that has been having huge quality problems since Kartina, bids are going out to start designing the next generation of both attack and missile submarines, the Ford looks to be like the Enterprise and one ship class and a post CVN 68 Class carrier will be the next one ordered and if anyone listened to the 17 April talk by Sec. Gates at Newport RI the Navy is moving into the 21st. Century.
To put a date when China may catch up, oh how about 2110, catch me later on that.
ALLONS,
Byron Skinner