Comments on: Congress Orders Army to Field MultiCam (maybe) http://defensetech.org/2009/07/08/congress-orders-army-to-field-multicam-maybe/ The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:06:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: an ACTUAL combat soldierhttp://defensetech.org/2009/07/08/congress-orders-army-to-field-multicam-maybe/#comment-195516 an ACTUAL combat soldier Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:39:25 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4565#comment-195516 i agree with your statement i think that the acu pattern is great for pog's but when you actually leave the office and your stapler's behind and go into the field then ill listen to what you say about acu's. we need to have a camoflauge pattern that can be used in all of the environments that we operate in. the only one to do that so far is multicam. when you are in mountains and trees the acu makes you a target. ever since we have started wearing it we have become a joke to all of the insurgents because we stick out like sore thumbs. and to anybody that says that the acu is a great "operational" pattern for combat, i have been deployed three times and i actually go outside of the wire. so i say to you, "i don't ever remember fighting in a gravel pit." because that is all acu is good for. i agree with your statement i think that the acu pattern is great for pog’s but when you actually leave the office and your stapler’s behind and go into the field then ill listen to what you say about acu’s. we need to have a camoflauge pattern that can be used in all of the environments that we operate in. the only one to do that so far is multicam. when you are in mountains and trees the acu makes you a target. ever since we have started wearing it we have become a joke to all of the insurgents because we stick out like sore thumbs. and to anybody that says that the acu is a great “operational” pattern for combat, i have been deployed three times and i actually go outside of the wire. so i say to you, “i don’t ever remember fighting in a gravel pit.” because that is all acu is good for.

]]> By: Mark Millshttp://defensetech.org/2009/07/08/congress-orders-army-to-field-multicam-maybe/#comment-195324 Mark Mills Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:09:12 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4565#comment-195324 Ok, here's the deal. ACU beat multicam in trials for a number of reasons, some good, some stupid, but this has been the case since the first piece of gear stamped "US" was issued. Multicam is effective and works great in most areas. ACU works decent in most places too and has a really good base color (foliage green). As for Multicam being issued...it won't happen because a. then all the gear has a different pattern and base color (coyote tan) b. recruiting and the business side of the army suffers from frequent switches c. surplus stocks d. ACU is too new to be replaced and e. ACU can be altered in the future slightly more easily than a new pattern can be issued. This all seems stupid and there are plenty of other issues that I haven't addressed, but there'es the nugget of a conversation i'd love to have with anyone so inclined. In the final analysis, ACU works, it stays, at least for now. Multicam works and is a good pattern and if it can be utilized by someone (SF, etc.) so be it... Ok, here’s the deal. ACU beat multicam in trials for a number of reasons, some good, some stupid, but this has been the case since the first piece of gear stamped “US” was issued. Multicam is effective and works great in most areas. ACU works decent in most places too and has a really good base color (foliage green). As for Multicam being issued…it won’t happen because a. then all the gear has a different pattern and base color (coyote tan) b. recruiting and the business side of the army suffers from frequent switches c. surplus stocks d. ACU is too new to be replaced and e. ACU can be altered in the future slightly more easily than a new pattern can be issued. This all seems stupid and there are plenty of other issues that I haven’t addressed, but there’es the nugget of a conversation i’d love to have with anyone so inclined. In the final analysis, ACU works, it stays, at least for now. Multicam works and is a good pattern and if it can be utilized by someone (SF, etc.) so be it…

]]> By: NationalGuardMThttp://defensetech.org/2009/07/08/congress-orders-army-to-field-multicam-maybe/#comment-194877 NationalGuardMT Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:49:14 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4565#comment-194877 ARPAT* lol forgive my grammer ARPAT* lol forgive my grammer

]]> By: NationalGuardMThttp://defensetech.org/2009/07/08/congress-orders-army-to-field-multicam-maybe/#comment-194876 NationalGuardMT Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:48:21 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4565#comment-194876 Personally I think the Army should go with ARPART, before digital we all shared the same uniform. I think it would be more cost efficent if we went to ARPART instead of making a new contract with Multicam. If the Marines dont like it kiss my @## because i dont want to get shot at with ACU/UCP on. Personally I think the Army should go with ARPART, before digital we all shared the same uniform. I think it would be more cost efficent if we went to ARPART instead of making a new contract with Multicam. If the Marines dont like it kiss my @## because i dont want to get shot at with ACU/UCP on.

]]> By: joehttp://defensetech.org/2009/07/08/congress-orders-army-to-field-multicam-maybe/#comment-193872 joe Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:50:22 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4565#comment-193872 Several people have commented that a one-pattern-fits-all approach is not the way to go.People have also made mention of needing two different patterns (either multicam and another, or multiple colorations of multicam) for different operational environments.For those people, I urge you to go here: http://www.multicampattern.com/gallery.html and take a look at why there is no need for multiple camouflage patterns for operational forces, just a need for a better one than the ACUs (unless the army will henceforth be operating solely in gravel parking lots or their grandmother's couches: http://op-for.com/2006/12/camo_testing.html) Several people have commented that a one-pattern-fits-all approach is not the way to go.

People have also made mention of needing two different patterns (either multicam and another, or multiple colorations of multicam) for different operational environments.

For those people, I urge you to go here: http://www.multicampattern.com/gallery.html and take a look at why there is no need for multiple camouflage patterns for operational forces, just a need for a better one than the ACUs (unless the army will henceforth be operating solely in gravel parking lots or their grandmother’s couches: http://op-for.com/2006/12/camo_testing.html)

]]> By: Raabhttp://defensetech.org/2009/07/08/congress-orders-army-to-field-multicam-maybe/#comment-193842 Raab Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:29:40 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4565#comment-193842 So the Brits come along, see that their cam sucks and in 6 months come up with something better based on MultiCam, take a copyright in it and put it into budget production in China. Kudos. Their Afghan uniforms are better than ACU as well. Here's a thought: adopt their uniforms entirely in that theater (the Afghans can't tell the difference between Brits and Americans anyway), throw them a cheap deal to get over the copyright crap on something they like but can't afford (Brits are broke anyway) and confuse the Taliban to hell because two armies dressed the same are using different tactics and SOPs. The old ACU pajamas can be used as garrison uniform until they fall apart. So the Brits come along, see that their cam sucks and in 6 months come up with something better based on MultiCam, take a copyright in it and put it into budget production in China. Kudos. Their Afghan uniforms are better than ACU as well. Here’s a thought: adopt their uniforms entirely in that theater (the Afghans can’t tell the difference between Brits and Americans anyway), throw them a cheap deal to get over the copyright crap on something they like but can’t afford (Brits are broke anyway) and confuse the Taliban to hell because two armies dressed the same are using different tactics and SOPs. The old ACU pajamas can be used as garrison uniform until they fall apart.

]]> By: yourmomhttp://defensetech.org/2009/07/08/congress-orders-army-to-field-multicam-maybe/#comment-193519 yourmom Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:35:14 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4565#comment-193519 go to multi-cam... Pilots flying apache's and other aircraft over Afghanistan and even Iraq have made statements where US Army soldiers stick out like a sore thumb, and that is from thousands of feet away if not more. All the army has to do is change the uniform and slowly go to multicam ACH, IBA, ext gradually like they did with the BDU to ACU transition. Have us turn in our ACU's and recycle them or something to get money towards Multicam uniforms, just do something. The uniforms are arouns $30-$40 for pants and the same for the top. The velcro is a horrible idea after being washed a few times it wears off and you get chewed out for not having your cargo pockets secure. I can only imagine how the taliban in the higher ground mountains of afghanistan attacking us on level ground can clearly see where we are. The army needs to do something, these ACU's feel like pajamas, look unprofessional, and are downright shitty. This is coming from someone currently in the Army who has to wear them every day of the week. go to multi-cam… Pilots flying apache’s and other aircraft over Afghanistan and even Iraq have made statements where US Army soldiers stick out like a sore thumb, and that is from thousands of feet away if not more. All the army has to do is change the uniform and slowly go to multicam ACH, IBA, ext gradually like they did with the BDU to ACU transition. Have us turn in our ACU’s and recycle them or something to get money towards Multicam uniforms, just do something. The uniforms are arouns $30-$40 for pants and the same for the top. The velcro is a horrible idea after being washed a few times it wears off and you get chewed out for not having your cargo pockets secure. I can only imagine how the taliban in the higher ground mountains of afghanistan attacking us on level ground can clearly see where we are. The army needs to do something, these ACU’s feel like pajamas, look unprofessional, and are downright shitty. This is coming from someone currently in the Army who has to wear them every day of the week.

]]> By: yourmom+1http://defensetech.org/2009/07/08/congress-orders-army-to-field-multicam-maybe/#comment-193518 yourmom+1 Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:30:51 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4565#comment-193518 yah the army got rid of the battle dress uniform years ago so please shush that whore mouth yah the army got rid of the battle dress uniform years ago so please shush that whore mouth

]]> By: yourmomhttp://defensetech.org/2009/07/08/congress-orders-army-to-field-multicam-maybe/#comment-193517 yourmom Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:29:02 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4565#comment-193517 jesus learn how to write english what are you like 5 years old or something? jesus learn how to write english what are you like 5 years old or something?

]]> By: john doehttp://defensetech.org/2009/07/08/congress-orders-army-to-field-multicam-maybe/#comment-193034 john doe Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:36:22 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=4565#comment-193034 Its not BDU's buddy and if you don't know what your talking about please keep quite. Its not BDU’s buddy and if you don’t know what your talking about please keep quite.

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