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Let Erik Prince Do the Talking

by jnoonan on August 21, 2009

Well, Blackwater (Xe) is in the news again today. Seems as if they’ve been loading bombs onto CIA Predators in Afghanistan and Pakistan under contract and the anti-PMC crowd is in a tizzy.

Based on conversations I’ve had with security contractors from a couple different companies, the CIA gigs — even the one where they outsourced their al Qaeda hit squads — is SO nothing new that it must stun even the most ill-informed intel community watcher to see this make such a splash.

And what could be more innocuous than hiring some dudes with a track record of maintaining security and defending covert facilities to load bombs and missiles into drones? I mean, does the general public think the CIA has a ordnance loader specialist MOS? Come on.

If it wasn’t going to be Blackwater doing the bomb loading or AQ whacking, it would be someone else. The CIA just doesn’t have these guys lying around at Langley. They respond to task and when they need to get spun up quickly, they turn to covert operations veterans in the civilian sector. And no one has gobbled up more of those types than the boys in Moyock.

Here’s a video from AP shot about a year ago when the company had a media rep who actually answered the phone. We’ll let Erik Prince do the rest of the talking — since his company ain’t saying anything since they’ve exploded back into the news.

– Christian

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jack August 21, 2009 at 4:37 pm

And blackwater has done such a great job finding and killing terrorists. Don’t think so! Why does the us gov’t continue to use taxpayer dollars to fund this gun club? They should use the money they give mercs and give it to the us military.

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steve August 21, 2009 at 6:04 pm

I think the fuss has something to do with this:
“…In sworn statements, two ex-employees claim Blackwater

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Matt August 21, 2009 at 6:07 pm

Why can’t the CIA hire or otherwise find somebody to do this job? Why is it necessary to go through (and pay a kickback/”fee” to) somebody like Erik Price?

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bobbymike August 21, 2009 at 6:10 pm

I don’t care how many people attack me but IMHO Erik Prince is a patriot. I would work for him anytime anywhere.

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martin August 21, 2009 at 6:36 pm

“If it wasn’t going to be Blackwater doing the bomb loading or AQ whacking, it would be someone else. ”
Someone, like say, an armed force paid by the U.S. taxpayer? We could call it, um, something snappy like, “Wi” or “Woo” or something. I’m surprised that Xe had an ordinance loader standing by for the work. OR did they hire a less-than-honorable ex-USAF non-hacker? How would we know? All we do is pay for it.
But this is just me. I hate hiring out jobs that G.I.s should be doing. I don’t think it’s right. I don’t think it’s what I have in mind for the U.S. Armed Forces.

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Jay king August 21, 2009 at 7:12 pm

The reason we hire Blackwater and other organizations like this is because they can do the job better, faster, and with less of a footprint than any government agency with their 18 levels of beauracracy. This includes the U.S. military especially the army and Air Force what with their air conditioned trailers and need for a PX at every 100ft Not to mention having all levels of command weigh in on the decision of whether or not to push the button and then blaming the lowest guy on the totem poll for doing it. These paramilitary organizations are very effective that is why the military hires them to do the jobs they cant or are not willing to do.

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Military news August 21, 2009 at 7:52 pm

Very good info ! Read more about on http://freedom.20ehost.com/military/

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ReconTeam August 22, 2009 at 1:41 am

Jay King is right, don’t believe all of the crap you read about PMCs. Many morons actually think they are “evil corporations” with an evil scheme to take over the world!

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DC2 Jennings August 22, 2009 at 3:12 am

The military and other agencies outsource this work for two reasons: it is cheaper or they don't want to have their hands on it.
Think about having assasination squads roaming Pakistan looking for OBL. What is the benefit? If an entire group of Xe personnel get captured, tortured, or killed nobody knows unless the enemy let's it be known.
Also, it is the standard saying "if you get captured the US government disavows any knowledge of who you are."
But the big thing that bothers me most about having hired hit squads looking for anyone is this: there is no oversight or need to know for those that should know. That is what scares me.
Having civilians arming Predators is no big deal. Having subcontractors hired as assasins with no government oversight is a big deal. Even if the intentions are truly legitimate.
DC2

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The Boogy Man August 22, 2009 at 6:52 am

I XE all sorts of problems with this dude.
I honestly wonder how he lives, under constant threat level red? Or is he deluded enough to think that he is safe from people who would like to see harm come to him.
hmmmmmmm?

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Valcan August 22, 2009 at 11:58 am

This sounds like a leftist reporter freakin out about black water…….again.
Everyday i search for this thing called journalistic ethics….i think its gone extinct.

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WJS August 22, 2009 at 1:28 pm

Ok, so you go to Blackwater to learn about Blackwater but you don’t let the owner say much of anything in the piece and only espouse your own opinion therefore learning nothing about Blackwater. That makes sense. Ah the media. All the opinion that’s fit to print.

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wembley August 22, 2009 at 1:40 pm

If you really, truly can’t see why this has caused such a public reaction…then maybe you should be looking for another job?
Some kind of understanding of what matters to the public is important for anyone in the media and you don’t seem to get it.
Maybe you could get a job with Xe’s PR department?

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CTR1(SW) August 22, 2009 at 7:45 pm

I too would gladly join Blackwater (Xe) if they would have me. Unfortunately, my skills are purely “air conditioned.”
But, I can tell you why the left is in such a tizzy. Via Xe the CIA is actually attacking and killing people overseas who are the philosophical, worldview, and U.S. hating equivalent of themselves.
They are still fighting the battle overseas that we have lost in the “beltway.”

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The Boogy Man August 23, 2009 at 6:53 am

I think DC2 got it right.
The fact these guys are doing grunt loading work is not so huge, there are still limits on what they can do, how they do it, and a paper trail to follow the entire game along from the loading to the drop.
CIA hired guns, running around playing cowboys with no accountability is exactly the kind of thing that keeps these people mad at us. At least when a grunt standing guard opens fire at a checkpoint there is a clear reaction to his action. These fellows can do whatever they want in the sandbox and take off, leaving that same grunt to clean it up, or be held accountable.
Bad play.

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Charles August 23, 2009 at 7:27 am

They’re using Xe since it’s easier to hide their activities if they’re a company, as opposed to if government employees do it and paperwork enters the government bureaucracy, ready to be stolen a la Ellsberg/Pentagon Papers style.
Blackwater is just ground facilities, so they probably load and maintain the Predators in Pakistan, with real control retained by whichever government agency is in charge.

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DC2 Jennings August 23, 2009 at 8:26 am

CTR1,
So let me get this straight. The right is all up in arms about Obamacare because they don’t want the government controlling their lives. But having the CIA hire assasins that could go anywhere in the world (inlcuding the US) without any government oversight is perfectly fine? It’s all fun and games until your “smudged” fingerprint is found on a baggy in a terrorists backpack.
Also, the mentality of these terrorists is a very conservative mentality. I truly don’t think they like “the gays” like the left does. And I don’t think they are for women’t rights quite the way Hillary’s pantsuit wearing party is.
Comments like yours are what turn people off to your commentary. It looks like political rambling.
Using Xe for covert spy and direct military action work is wrong. It goes back to the days of people like Hoover in the FBI. The days when the government didn’t have to “open their books” to the public. Those days are over and they should never come back. There is only one reason this work was outsourced. To keep government oversight out.
DC2

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CTR1(SW) August 23, 2009 at 11:11 am

DC2
HA HA ha ha sniff sniff . . . whew. It is a good thing that you stopped when you did. You were about to have your eyes glaze over and start mumbling something about McCarthism and Hollywood.
Obamacare? Who said anything about Obamacare? Your comparison is not just apples and oranges. It is fruits and vegetables. And, Yes! It is NOT ok for the government to take over, Stalinist fashion, all of healthcare. And, Yes! It IS ok for us to send men out to eliminate the bad guys. [Hey Homer! The CIA is part of our government, and the Congress does have an oversight committee. You know. The one that Pelosi is on. The one that was NEVER briefed three times on waterboarding.] You would have to be a glittering jewel of ignorance to believe that Xe does not have rules of engagement.
But back to the point of the story. These guys are bomb loaders! Perhaps you would like to enlighten this blogs readers on the rules of engagement for bomb loaders. [You may now begin to channel Kerry,

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DeeCee August 24, 2009 at 4:22 am

Very good info ! Read more about on http://freedom.20ehost.com/military/
Posted by: Military news at August 21, 2009 07:52 PM
The reason we hire Blackwater and other organizations like this is because they can do the job better, faster, and with less of a footprint than any government agency with their 18 levels of beauracracy. This includes the U.S. military especially the army and Air Force what with their air conditioned trailers and need for a PX at every 100ft Not to mention having all levels of command weigh in on the decision of whether or not to push the button and then blaming the lowest guy on the totem poll for doing it. These paramilitary organizations are very effective that is why the military hires them to do the jobs they cant or are not willing to do.
- End quote -
We could get the same level of competency/efficiency from the US Military if people at the strategic level would stop imposing/creating stupid constraints and limitations at the tactical level. Anyone remember Vietnam? We can’t bomb that part of the trail it’s in another country! We can’t bomb that part of Hanoi it might cause civilian casualties! We can’t actively engage the enemy past the (36th I think it was in Vietnam) parallel.
We firebombed entire cities killing tens of thousands of civilians in WW2 with little regard for the fact they would die. Now we get a cabinet level meeting setting ROE. Gasp flattening that mudhut where two Taliban or AQ fighters are hiding has to be restricted, controlled and halted b/c a few civilians might be present! Give me a break, tell the Fudgepakis to get it done in that Tali/AQ haven along the border or combat drop the 82nd and air assault in the 101st along with several thousand SF types. Of course this time don’t advertise that a big push is coming like the current surge into the ‘stan was announced. Sheesh talk about giving up the element of suprise………
I doubt XE/Blackwater operatives lack AC and AAFES type comforts so that comment from you is worthless.

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DC2 Jennings August 24, 2009 at 6:59 am

CTR1,
You would have gladly joined Xe, but you can’t for what reason? Oh, you are air conditioned military (your words not mine). So please spare me the whining.
There have been Christian militant nutjobs that have killed in the name of God. That has been going on for centuries, just a little FYI. Just one example from today would be Eric Rudolph. The abortion bomber spending life in jail with the Al Qaeda terrorists that blew up the World Trade Center the first time. Another example would be the idiot that killed the abortion doctor in Kansas. In both instances the murder was done under the belief that the Bible told them it was acceptable.
I did not say a negative word about CIA outsourced bombloaders. In fact, I made mention that I had no problems with it.
I am sure the conservatives in Iran pushed the government’s private militias as being completely innocent too. My comment about healthcare was this. We can rely on the CIA (in a conservative administration) to make sure any outsourced work is by the book. Yet we can’t rely on the government to have the ability to provide healthcare for all. That does not make sense. And I am not for Obamacare in our current fiscal situation BTW.
There was goverment oversight of the CIA, albeit very little, when it came to torture. Obviously there wasn’t any when it came to this program. That is why Panetta canned it. That is also why you don’t hear anything from the right about cancelling this program.
Our recent American history is replete with our government deceiving us. McCarthyism is just one example since it was brought up. In my mind, Iraq is a perfect example of another. And also a perfect example of why you should question government. Hell, the excuse to move into Vietnam by JFK is another example. The fact the CIA had covert hit squads on US soil during the 60s is an example.
Trust government as long as what, Bush is president? Or does it just have to be a conservative? Keeping nodding your head ditto boy.
DC2

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Mang August 25, 2009 at 10:52 am

This comment thread is tl;dr, but the public objection isn’t to PMC’s in general – it’s to Blackwater specifically. Nobody trusts them or likes them, and nobody wants them to get tax money. I sure don’t.

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Erik September 28, 2009 at 1:24 am

Dude, are you serious. The reason why we must hire PMCS is because of the all VOLUNTEER MILITARY. STOP your BITCHING because honestly this fatass country should see MANDATORY military service.
Without the support of many citizens going into the military, SOLDIERS MUST BE OUT SOURCED. Is this really that hard for you assholes to support? i mean a standing army of 1.5 million people, (ROUNDING UP) is no where near sufficient to contain the resources of IRaq.
XE’s, and Erik Princes, Mercs are ABSOLUTELY necessary to protecting YOUR freedoms, without them you little bitches risk a draft,something none of you “individualist” assholes could ever face.
PLEASE support XE and everything they are doing for YOUR NATION. IF you find my post repulsive, well then join the military.

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