Comments on: Small Arms Failures Contributed to Wanat Debacle http://defensetech.org/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/ The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security Sat, 26 May 2012 01:57:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: bbb http://defensetech.org/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-233173 bbb Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:41:39 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-233173 If you knew anything about firearms you would know that's bullshit. The old .30-06 rounds used back when the Garand was in service using it (before it was converted to .308) used slower burning powder. The .308 (7.62) using newer faster burning powder had the exact same power as the old .30-06. So the M14 has more than twice the firepower of an M1, along with faster reloads, and no incredibly loud ping every eight rounds. If you knew anything about firearms you would know that’s bullshit.

The old .30–06 rounds used back when the Garand was in service using it (before it was converted to .308) used slower burning powder. The .308 (7.62) using newer faster burning powder had the exact same power as the old .30–06.

So the M14 has more than twice the firepower of an M1, along with faster reloads, and no incredibly loud ping every eight rounds.

]]> By: Schuyler http://defensetech.org/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-221136 Schuyler Thu, 06 Jan 2011 02:52:43 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-221136 I recall an astronaut saying that NASA rockets are built with components from the lowest bidders. We've seen how well that's worked out. I recall an astronaut saying that NASA rockets are built with components from the lowest bidders. We’ve seen how well that’s worked out.

]]> By: MARINEMIKE http://defensetech.org/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-215920 MARINEMIKE Sun, 05 Dec 2010 00:52:06 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-215920 I sat alone and unafraid for nearly 5 minutes trying to get my SAW to fire while the rest of my squad was inside of a building clearing rooms. Mind you this was in a training environment, never the less I am leaving The Basic School with absolutely NO CONFIDENCE in that weapon. We all just joke about when the thing is going to JAM up. Sat in the defense with the 240 where it generally muddy and rainy and never had a failure. If only the thing wasn't soooo heavy. I sat alone and unafraid for nearly 5 minutes trying to get my SAW to fire while the rest of my squad was inside of a building clearing rooms. Mind you this was in a training environment, never the less I am leaving The Basic School with absolutely NO CONFIDENCE in that weapon. We all just joke about when the thing is going to JAM up. Sat in the defense with the 240 where it generally muddy and rainy and never had a failure. If only the thing wasn’t soooo heavy.

]]> By: Concerned Parent http://defensetech.org/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-187549 Concerned Parent Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:22:51 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-187549 SSgt (now SFC) Phillips is not happy that his words were taken out of context. One weapon had shrapnel damage and one had an enemy round in it when they stopped firing. There will always be weapons that malfunction, unfortunately. Let's get good, honest reporting for a change. Every article I have ever read in the newspaper where I had direct knowledge of the incident has had errors in it. Let's also get a good foreign policy in Iraq and Afghanistan and we won't have as many debacles such as happened in Wanat in July 08. BTW, his unit is going back to a war zone once again. How much can we ask of our brave young warriors? How many combat deployments is enough in anyone's military career? SSgt (now SFC) Phillips is not happy that his words were taken out of context. One weapon had shrapnel damage and one had an enemy round in it when they stopped firing. There will always be weapons that malfunction, unfortunately. Let’s get good, honest reporting for a change. Every article I have ever read in the newspaper where I had direct knowledge of the incident has had errors in it. Let’s also get a good foreign policy in Iraq and Afghanistan and we won’t have as many debacles such as happened in Wanat in July 08. BTW, his unit is going back to a war zone once again. How much can we ask of our brave young warriors? How many combat deployments is enough in anyone’s military career?

]]> By: Pacoi http://defensetech.org/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-94531 Pacoi Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:14:32 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-94531 Sorry my english. Anyone can explain why all outpost look same bottom point between hills, tactical reasons... please? Sorry my english. Anyone can explain why all outpost look same bottom point between hills, tactical reasons… please?

]]> By: freefallingbomb http://defensetech.org/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-94527 freefallingbomb Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:36:15 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-94527 After World War Two, practically all Western countries adopted a defensive, and therefore peaceful, posture, which was reflected in their strategies, tactics and weapons choices After World War Two, practically all Western countries adopted a defensive, and therefore peaceful, posture, which was reflected in their strategies, tactics and weapons choices

]]> By: Byron Skinner http://defensetech.org/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-94526 Byron Skinner Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:17:11 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-94526 Good Afternoon Drew, Actually Drew you are not 100% correct. The 82nd. ABN's Aviation Brigade still uses some "D Model" M-60's, and the SEALS and Marines Special Operations are buying a current variant the "E Model", from Auto Ordinance out of Reno. it's a stripped down 16lb. assault, shorter barrel, new stock etc. version of the original 23.5 lb. SACO M-60. Auto Ordinance, yes the old maker of the Thompson submachine gun, bough the M-60 manufacturing rights for SACO/BAE who made the original M-60. For trivia: The M-72 LAW has been put back into production by Raytheon in their Phoenix plant, and the Marines have placed their second order for 10K. ALLONS, Byron Skinner Good Afternoon Drew,
Actually Drew you are not 100% correct. The 82nd. ABN’s Aviation Brigade still uses some “D Model” M-60’s, and the SEALS and Marines Special Operations are buying a current variant the “E Model”, from Auto Ordinance out of Reno. it’s a stripped down 16lb. assault, shorter barrel, new stock etc. version of the original 23.5 lb. SACO M-60.
Auto Ordinance, yes the old maker of the Thompson submachine gun, bough the M-60 manufacturing rights for SACO/BAE who made the original M-60.
For trivia: The M-72 LAW has been put back into production by Raytheon in their Phoenix plant, and the Marines have placed their second order for 10K.
ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

]]> By: Byron Skinner http://defensetech.org/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-94525 Byron Skinner Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:03:16 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-94525 Good Morning Folks, Over on another post by Christian on this same topic the military is once again blaming the Soldiers and NCO's for the problem. Over their I addressed the supervision issues and maintenance concerns, which is pure bullsh** . Over here I will address the fire discipline question. First off it is quite obvious that any of the people in support of our current Pentagon policy of supporting the AR system have even been in a fire fight, much less the type identified in Afghanistan where this problem occurred. I have been. I have been in a FPF (final protective fire, where the sh** is on top of you and the odds of survival are not real great, for those of you who don't know and those in the Pentagon who have never been in combat) position and had an M-16 jam. It is not a good situation to be in, trust me on this. I guess on could compare it to being in a car that has just went over a clift and that few seconds you are airborne and still alive before impact. For these soldiers fore discipline is not an issue, it is noted that the M-4 and M-16 put into the hands of US troops are the only assault weapons the don't have full auto (Rock and Roll) of any military in the world. Why because the weapon won't function and the three round burst was said to solve that problem. Now some bullsh**er will say that the burst was put in to conserved ammo, that's cr**. This has and still is costing lives, this is murder of Americans Soldiers and Marines by their chain of command. Where is the media on this story, where are all the tea baggers who support our troops, where is mom and dad. Does anybody give a sh** about the lives of American men and women serving in these war zones? Good Morning Folks,
Over on another post by Christian on this same topic the military is once again blaming the Soldiers and NCO’s for the problem. Over their I addressed the supervision issues and maintenance concerns, which is pure bullsh** .
Over here I will address the fire discipline question. First off it is quite obvious that any of the people in support of our current Pentagon policy of supporting the AR system have even been in a fire fight, much less the type identified in Afghanistan where this problem occurred. I have been. I have been in a FPF (final protective fire, where the sh** is on top of you and the odds of survival are not real great, for those of you who don’t know and those in the Pentagon who have never been in combat) position and had an M-16 jam. It is not a good situation to be in, trust me on this.
I guess on could compare it to being in a car that has just went over a clift and that few seconds you are airborne and still alive before impact.
For these soldiers fore discipline is not an issue, it is noted that the M-4 and M-16 put into the hands of US troops are the only assault weapons the don’t have full auto (Rock and Roll) of any military in the world. Why because the weapon won’t function and the three round burst was said to solve that problem. Now some bullsh**er will say that the burst was put in to conserved ammo, that’s cr**. This has and still is costing lives, this is murder of Americans Soldiers and Marines by their chain of command.
Where is the media on this story, where are all the tea baggers who support our troops, where is mom and dad. Does anybody give a sh** about the lives of American men and women serving in these war zones?

]]> By: Drew http://defensetech.org/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-94524 Drew Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:28:04 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-94524 News alert!The U.S Army does not use M60s anymore. Anyone who knows anything about the military should know that! News alert!The U.S Army does not use M60s anymore. Anyone who knows anything about the military should know that!

]]> By: Cannon Fodder http://defensetech.org/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-94523 Cannon Fodder Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:12:51 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/2009/10/12/small-arms-failures-contributed-to-wanat-debacle/#comment-94523 Has anyone read the new book "Sniper One" by British Sgt. Dan Mills? Excellent read, by the way. He covers some of the "base" issues in it. Because they were winning "hearts and minds" they couldn't make their base too "scary" looking. This involved proper defenses and visible armament. Also, until the poo hit the oscillating air moving device, they were ordered to walk around with goofy smiles on their faces to look less intimidating. A Fox News report today mentions the corruption level of the Afghan government. Dan mentions in his book that they would buy the Iraqi police new weapons and by the end of the day they went "missing" and they would see the terrorists walking around with new glocks. On the base that my brother-in-law was on in Afghanistan, the local leader who spent much time on his base and many of the afghan base workers were found out to be the Al-Qaeda. We are not just facing backwoods Afghan tribals as some main stream media would try to have you believe. In Chris Mackey's book "The Interrogators", he lists the countries of the foreign fighters that were captured in Afghanistan. We are not just fighting afghans in Afghanistan, but we are fighting a war against troops from EVERY millitant Islamic nation. Chris's list of foreign fighters included Russian Chechens and Dan Mills stated in his book that the British had captured some home grown British muslims in Iraq. This is war and our guys need the best, most dependable weapons available. Has anyone read the new book “Sniper One” by British Sgt. Dan Mills? Excellent read, by the way. He covers some of the “base” issues in it.
Because they were winning “hearts and minds” they couldn’t make their base too “scary” looking. This involved proper defenses and visible armament. Also, until the poo hit the oscillating air moving device, they were ordered to walk around with goofy smiles on their faces to look less intimidating.
A Fox News report today mentions the corruption level of the Afghan government. Dan mentions in his book that they would buy the Iraqi police new weapons and by the end of the day they went “missing” and they would see the terrorists walking around with new glocks. On the base that my brother-in-law was on in Afghanistan, the local leader who spent much time on his base and many of the afghan base workers were found out to be the Al-Qaeda.
We are not just facing backwoods Afghan tribals as some main stream media would try to have you believe. In Chris Mackey’s book “The Interrogators”, he lists the countries of the foreign fighters that were captured in Afghanistan. We are not just fighting afghans in Afghanistan, but we are fighting a war against troops from EVERY millitant Islamic nation. Chris’s list of foreign fighters included Russian Chechens and Dan Mills stated in his book that the British had captured some home grown British muslims in Iraq. This is war and our guys need the best, most dependable weapons available.

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