Comments on: Despite Fears, Army May Just Buy a Subcompact

By: Rhyno327

Rhyno327 — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:07:07 +0000

Yeah, gimme that LWRC 6.8mm PDW..its so f-ing obvious. Thats the Colt monopoly, and it sux!! Come on now, most have seen the “CQB” weapon show, DAMN!!! Iam gonna buy a Bushmaster 6.8mm SPR, its $1,600, plus, but damn it looks and felt so fine..damn that gas and carbon, its not always reliable. We all know WAT we should do, its those who procure who mess it up.

By: dlh002

dlh002 — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:28:44 +0000

would the new FN2000 fit the bill? it’s short and light but being a bullpup it has a longer barrel then most guns it’s size letting you keep better balistics.

By: dlh002

dlh002 — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:28:33 +0000

would the new FN2000 fit the bill? it’s short and light but being a bullpup it has a longer barrel then most guns it’s size letting you keep better balistics.

By: Charles

Charles — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:24:18 +0000

I remember seeing somewhere an even smaller M4.
Oh, here it is…the “Close Quarters Battle Receiver”. Have a looky.
Considering they’re already in the system I’m surprised we’re looking to blow dough on more weapons. Keep the crappy weapons we have, and when enough officers and truck drivers complain, then they HAVE to replace the M16/M4 family of weapons.

By: subby

subby — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:13:05 +0000

Just buy the kel-tec SU-16D with 12 inch barrel. it weighs 4.9bs LOADED and its length is 22.5 inches folded. It is by far the lightest most compact AR compatible weapon in existence. Or get the 9inch barrel version which is even lighter and smaller.
Have a look at it. Cheap and reliable can’t be beat.
http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/su16d.htm

By: Dennis

Dennis — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:01:43 +0000

Perhaps the M3A1 Greasegun in 9mm would meet the requirement. If not, then why not the STEN? If the guns are purely for self defense, why are we trying to invent something? As earlier stated, they are not intended for front line fighting but situations where “more than a pistol is required…”

By: ohwilleke

ohwilleke — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:58:48 +0000

“Gah, bloody typical. No real development for a frontline weapon for the grunts, but, millions to develop a “new” weapon for truck drivers. Yet, people wonder why I get so frustrated with our weapons procurement.” — Steve
The requirement for a new weapon makes sense to me. The discovery that the U.S. Army has come to terms with in Iraq and Afghanistan is that in counterinsurgency missions there is not “frontline.” A requirement for a more powerful compact weapon for truck drivers and the like is the natural complement to the armored Humvee, the MRAP, the Stryker and the Joint Tactical Vehicle project. All of these projects share the notion that we need greater military resources for soldiers who traditionally would have been behind friendly lines and at low risk of harm.
Most U.S. troops that get killed die in ambushes (often of less protected convoys) and IED attacks; very few are dying on head to head battles, when they are looking for trouble, on the grounds that their weapons are inadequate.
No U.S. war has been more “democratic” in its casualty figures, by which I mean casualties have not been confined to low ranking infantry troops. Everybody who gets off a secure base appears to be equally likely to become a target. These wars have produced a lot of casualties among higher ranking soldiers and support troops who didn’t suffer nearly as many casualties, proportionately, in prior wars. (Of course, sailors and Air Force personnel, in this, as in all prior wars, and Army personnel deployed away from active conflicts, have had much lower casualty rates than soldiers in the Army and in the Marines.)
Second, even in Wanat, which was more of a frontline battle head to head against front line troops, the problem was not that an M4 wasn’t accurate enough or packed enough punch, the complaint was that it jammed after too little use. There is nothing wrong with getting a new and improved version of what is otherwise the same old weapon.
Third, it isn’t as if the frontline troops don’t have more firepower. It just happens to come in the form of the power to call in smart bombs from manned aircraft, missiles on drones, guided artillery and the like. The fact that you aren’t hauling a weapon around on your shoulder, doesn’t mean that it isn’t available to you. Those who trust no one but themselves are also seeing RPG weapons with limited guidance options like a setting that causes it to explode a few feet after it passes over a wall or through a window. By comparison, this program for soldiers who are not frontline combat troops is a mere crumb.

By: coolhand77

coolhand77 — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:53:45 +0000

FYI, both HK and Colt have “subcompact” AR based weapons. The Colt uses either the standard DI gas system or some of their newer gas system offerings while the HK version uses a shortened version of the 416 gas system. Both have some sort of super short buffer system, which looks to shorten the buffer tube to about 4 inches or less, allowing a slidng stock on the HK and a folding/sliding stock on the Colt version. Both have a short barrel of about 10 inches or so.

By: defensor fortissimo

defensor fortissimo — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:33:15 +0000

“You’re saying the guns are supposed to wound? Are you just arguing with me because you like to argue? The energy doesn’t matter if the bullet goes right through you without losing any. At stand-off range the 45mm would have more stopping power. The reason I advocate the 9mm though is for other reasons… mainly that it’s already a common thing in the military” Jeff M
Yeah, I’m sure the 45 mike-mike has plenty of stopping power, for all the times you need to take down a freakin jeep! Sorry I couldn’t resist.

By: Rhyno327

Rhyno327 — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:08:12 +0000

why not the g-36c? the p-90 has a high rate of fire, not hard to use, and it fires a nice cartridge. the g-36c is a compact 5.56mm folding stock weapon built for close qauters. which one? hell if i know. you can make an argument for the mp-5 too. they will f it up, bet on that.