Comments on: Adapting Women to Subs http://defensetech.org/2009/11/03/adapting-women-to-subs/ The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:59:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Billhttp://defensetech.org/2009/11/03/adapting-women-to-subs/#comment-195764 Bill Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:31:10 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=4876#comment-195764 the first women will be officers from the Academy. the reason is simple. Elsewhere the Navy has worried that since new eye surgerys are avaiable very few officer candidates and midshipmen are volunteering for sub duty. This use to be a way for the young officer to have a great career if he could not fly or did not want to go into aviation. But this would be a great career path for a young women midshipman. I will not be surprised if it takes some time before enlisted women crew show up.. the first women will be officers from the Academy. the reason is simple. Elsewhere the Navy has worried that since new eye surgerys are avaiable very few officer candidates and midshipmen are volunteering for sub duty. This use to be a way for the young officer to have a great career if he could not fly or did not want to go into aviation. But this would be a great career path for a young women midshipman.
I will not be surprised if it takes some time before enlisted women crew show up..

]]> By: ComFishermanhttp://defensetech.org/2009/11/03/adapting-women-to-subs/#comment-195289 ComFisherman Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:29:12 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=4876#comment-195289 MM1(SS) USS Swordfish SSN579- Lets see'em survive on that old girl. MM1(SS) USS Swordfish SSN579– Lets see’em survive on that old girl.

]]> By: ComFishermanhttp://defensetech.org/2009/11/03/adapting-women-to-subs/#comment-195288 ComFisherman Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:22:16 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=4876#comment-195288 Its not the job its the environment. Much less the radiation exposure issue. Appendix M to the Radcon manual anyone. Then there is the general -happens to every non-qual harrassment that will turn into sexual harrassment. Tight quarters - YOU TOUCHED ME!!! No shit, its a fastboat. For now theyll just take up all the spots on the ohio class boats the guys stand in line for, a little bit of reverse discrimination. Like when the put all the female nukes in all the pro pay billets in the 80s. Its not the job its the environment. Much less the radiation exposure issue. Appendix M to the Radcon manual anyone. Then there is the general –happens to every non-qual harrassment that will turn into sexual harrassment. Tight quarters — YOU TOUCHED ME!!! No shit, its a fastboat. For now theyll just take up all the spots on the ohio class boats the guys stand in line for, a little bit of reverse discrimination. Like when the put all the female nukes in all the pro pay billets in the 80s.

]]> By: Crawdad2khttp://defensetech.org/2009/11/03/adapting-women-to-subs/#comment-195173 Crawdad2k Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:53:44 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=4876#comment-195173 Been there, done that. Trust me these gals had better be tough as nails and good at their jobs, if they aren't the crew with drive them out or drive them crazy. Bubbleheads play rough and god help any one of those ladies who can't make the cut. Been there, done that. Trust me these gals had better be tough as nails and good at their jobs, if they aren’t the crew with drive them out or drive them crazy. Bubbleheads play rough and god help any one of those ladies who can’t make the cut.

]]> By: Crawdad2khttp://defensetech.org/2009/11/03/adapting-women-to-subs/#comment-195169 Crawdad2k Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:43:45 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=4876#comment-195169 Good, we'll see how well this works out. In the past Bubbleheads were known for playing a bit rough, these gals with orders to the boats better have a steel backbone and cast iron nerves. Hey this means new snivel gear, rubbers! Good, we’ll see how well this works out. In the past Bubbleheads were known for playing a bit rough, these gals with orders to the boats better have a steel backbone and cast iron nerves. Hey this means new snivel gear, rubbers!

]]> By: Elaine Donnellyhttp://defensetech.org/2009/11/03/adapting-women-to-subs/#comment-189826 Elaine Donnelly Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:42:03 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=4876#comment-189826 To All Concerned About the Silent Service, I have read many polemics pushing the idea of women on submarines, but Joe Buff''s arguments are among the most superficial and detached from reality that I have seen. All women of child-bearing age would be putting themselves and fellow sailors at great risk in the submarine environment. Are the women who want to sign up being told that the constantly recycled submarine atmosphere, which cannot be re-engineered to be safe for developing embryos, creates an unavoidable risk in the early months of pregnancy, when tney may not even know they are pregnant? The notion that social engineers could or should try to change men and women into "siblings" without normal adult feelings is right out of Fantasy Land. The former DACOWITS destroyed its own credibility by ignoring the expert reports provided on this issue by the U.S. Navy and a definitive report by SAIC. Nothing about submarine life has changed since then. More information is posted in a special section highlighted on our website, <a href="http://www.cmrlink.org." target="_blank">www.cmrlink.org.</a> Elaine Donnelly, President, Center for Military Readiness To All Concerned About the Silent Service,

I have read many polemics pushing the idea of women on submarines, but Joe Buff”s arguments are among the most superficial and detached from reality that I have seen. All women of child-bearing age would be putting themselves and fellow sailors at great risk in the submarine environment. Are the women who want to sign up being told that the constantly recycled submarine atmosphere, which cannot be re-engineered to be safe for developing embryos, creates an unavoidable risk in the early months of pregnancy, when tney may not even know they are pregnant? The notion that social engineers could or should try to change men and women into “siblings” without normal adult feelings is right out of Fantasy Land. The former DACOWITS destroyed its own credibility by ignoring the expert reports provided on this issue by the U.S. Navy and a definitive report by SAIC. Nothing about submarine life has changed since then. More information is posted in a special section highlighted on our website, http://www.cmrlink.org.

Elaine Donnelly, President, Center for Military Readiness

]]> By: Joe Buffhttp://defensetech.org/2009/11/03/adapting-women-to-subs/#comment-189355 Joe Buff Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:52:21 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=4876#comment-189355 To Vincemv and anyone else who wants to weigh in: I haven't yet seen someone who is against women on U.S. sub crews because "a co-ed military is an ineffective PC military" put that in a perspective relative to how Soviet Russia, and also the State of Israel, have taken for granted women in the military -- and USSR beat Nazi Germany and Israel's armed forced are world class, co-ed or not? To Vincemv and anyone else who wants to weigh in: I haven’t yet seen someone who is against women on U.S. sub crews because “a co-ed military is an ineffective PC military” put that in a perspective relative to how Soviet Russia, and also the State of Israel, have taken for granted women in the military — and USSR beat Nazi Germany and Israel’s armed forced are world class, co-ed or not?

]]> By: vincemvhttp://defensetech.org/2009/11/03/adapting-women-to-subs/#comment-189349 vincemv Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:17:56 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=4876#comment-189349 Sorry crock of crap!! We continue to destroy the effectivess of the armed forces in the name of political correctness and "diversity:. God help us, when need is and we have to face a determined, capable and well organized enemy the whole rotten ediface will come tumbling down around our ears- but by then it will be too late and those who die to actualize some idiots vision of "the way things ought to be". What a freakin' joke! Sorry crock of crap!! We continue to destroy the effectivess of the armed forces in the name of political correctness and “diversity:. God help us, when need is and we have to face a determined, capable and well organized enemy the whole rotten ediface will come tumbling down around our ears– but by then it will be too late and those who die to actualize some idiots vision of “the way things ought to be”. What a freakin’ joke!

]]> By: VCS Shipbuilderhttp://defensetech.org/2009/11/03/adapting-women-to-subs/#comment-187390 VCS Shipbuilder Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:59:19 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=4876#comment-187390 Thanks for the only opposing view on this issue. It has been my experience (as a sailor, enlisted, officer (yes mustang!) that the majority of our sailors can get used to anything given enough time. (I once saw a third class walk into the prop arc of an E-2 while staring at the posterior of a new female plane captain aboard the newly integrated USS Lincoln. He was summarily tackled by a shipmate.) The point is: the biggest weapon in any warfighter's arsenal is the ability to adapt to change. We do it better together like we do everything else. I have known too many brilliant submariners to believe that this is an insurmountable challenge. This is the Navy's elite fighting force. It can get over an integration of the sexes just as easily (if not easier) than the rest of us. Thanks for the only opposing view on this issue. It has been my experience (as a sailor, enlisted, officer (yes mustang!) that the majority of our sailors can get used to anything given enough time. (I once saw a third class walk into the prop arc of an E-2 while staring at the posterior of a new female plane captain aboard the newly integrated USS Lincoln. He was summarily tackled by a shipmate.) The point is: the biggest weapon in any warfighter’s arsenal is the ability to adapt to change. We do it better together like we do everything else. I have known too many brilliant submariners to believe that this is an insurmountable challenge. This is the Navy’s elite fighting force. It can get over an integration of the sexes just as easily (if not easier) than the rest of us.

]]> By: gsakhttp://defensetech.org/2009/11/03/adapting-women-to-subs/#comment-187213 gsak Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:05:37 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=4876#comment-187213 I guarantee that having a bad skipper, bad chiefs, bad LPO etc. would be worse than having a handful of women onboard. I guarantee that having a bad skipper, bad chiefs, bad LPO etc. would be worse than having a handful of women onboard.

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