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I'd like to see a lot less comments from non-commissioned female doctors who haven't converted to Islam on this subject.
If you are wondering what the MMPI is, this might be you…
A moslem major murding American soldiers at Fort Hood? Was this the "amazing" attack the new Talib head was promising?
Anyone wnat to take bets now on the chances that the other two in custody are moslems or moslem converts too?
Looks like you lost that bet.
That's a bet I don't mind losing sammy boy.
Islamic Terrorists Kills 12 and 31 Wounded at Ft. Hood, TX!!!
Prayers for the victims and their families.
The war against Islamic terrorism is an asymmetrical war. Front lines can be everywhere.
Ft. Hood, TX, today, November 5, 2009, became one battlefield of Islamic terrorism, amongst, WTC in New York, Pentagon in Washington, DC, and Shanksville, PA on 9/11/01, as well as, 1993 WTC bombing in New York, the attack on our embassies in East Africa in 1998, and the attack on USS Cole in 2000.
Yup, shooting unarmmed people in a medical processing center, typical Islamic cowardice…. Just like the bunch that the FBI arrested recently that were planning on attacking US malls. This is the most cowardly enemy that we have ever faced.
Heck, even when Israel does a prisoner swap, they swap one Israeli for 200 terrorists. That just shows their worth… A Jew is worth hundreds of Arabs…
How come everyone was unarmed? Isn't Ft Hood an Army post? Most people don't realize how anti-self protection the military is. Carrying a firearm for self protection would land you in jail. Ironically, it never seems to deter murderers.
The religion of peace releases another dove.
I'm burning to know if this scumbag had any relation to CAIR.
It astounds me just how racist these comments are. It's the 21st century, but people still act like the guy in the next cave over is their mortal enemy…
Love your neighbor as yourself? Do these words mean anything?
"It astounds me just how racist these comments are. It's the 21st century, but people still act like the guy in the next cave over is their mortal enemy…
Love your neighbor as yourself? Do these words mean anything?"
-Racist? How is Islam a race? But you're right; it's the 21st century and the only people acting "like the guy in the next cave over is their mortal enemy" are the Muslims caught in their 7th century barbarian mentality.
Love your neighbor as yourself means a lot to Christians but certainly not Muslims. And Christians sure do have a right to defend themselves from the maniacal killers that Islam breeds.
Once again, a liberal filled with self-hatred is more offended by perceived slights against Islam than by the barbarous acts of Islam itself.
I was actually referring to the use of "Arab," which is a race… but I'm glad you actually realize that Islam is not a race, because most people don't seem to make that distinction.
I pray that the shooter lives and then they waterboard him. Our country, us, the people, need to stand up and stop this insanity. It is not racial profiling, it is Muslims, period. We should round them all up, send them back where they came from and when all of their radical people play nice around the world, consider letting them come back to America, the greatest Country on earth.
We paid for this Muslim extremist to become a doctor. My children are decendents of the people that built this nation and they don't get hundreds of thousands of dollars from the taxpayers to go to college.
I'm sick and tired of political correctness, I'm sick and tired of our country paying for everyone around the world and in turn they burn our flag or danced at 9/11.
We shouldn't be around the world Nation building when our own government is the most corrupt on the planet. We need to stand up and take back our country.
While we're at it, let's round up all the jews and… wait, that's been done already.
Jews wasn't a threat for anyone, that's why this was a tragedie
"We should round them all up, send them back where they came from…"
Maj. Hassan was born in Virginia. It may come as a surprise to you, but non-white people can be Americans too.
"We shouldn't be around the world Nation building when our own government is the most corrupt on the planet."
I suggest you take a trip to a place like Somalia, Zimbabwe, or Afghanistan to see what an actual corrupt government looks like. I do not like many things about my government, but to call it "the most corrupt on the planet" is a statement of mind-boggling ignorance.
Edward,
I think what he is referring to is people that come to America just to take advantage of the system (minority prefernce in college, jobs etc) but they don't come to America to become Americans. They still want to be (whatever country)-American. It's bull crap, the more we let these outsiders in the more we weaken what our forefathers created, a country where you are free but you respect freedoms of those around you. At this day of political correctness outsiders are coming in and changing our country from within because they aren't respecting the freedoms of others and if you stand up against it you are labeled a racist.
America is a mixture of many different races and nationalities but when you become an American you should drop all the other stuff. By all means eat whatever ethnic food you were raised on, celebrate whatever holiday you want, and praise whatever God you wish (or no God if that's your wish) but at the end of the day pledge allegience to your country and your flag (and those beliefs it was founded upon).
I wish your remarks were published on the front page of every newspaper, everyday, as a reminder of who we are! And what we should be!!
Bless you,
Spiff
"a country where you are free but you respect freedoms of those around you."
Like, say, the freedom to identify yourself as a Chinese-American, an Irish-American, an Italian-American, or a Palestinian-American if you so desire? Should the founding fathers have dropped "all the other stuff" that they brought with them like the Magna Carta or the other British political writings that influenced our Constitution? I can't reconcile the political thinkings of the Buddha, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, and Plato to those of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, or Abe Lincoln because those other guys were foreigners outside your proscribed domains of food, holidays, and worship? The double-standard you're applying makes no sense.
And, on top of which, MAJOR HASSAN WAS BORN IN VIRGINIA. His parents both immigrated and became citizens, and the Roanoke Times had some pretty nice things to say about his mother on her passing in 2001. He went through the same system that any American can apply for, and I'm going to bet that the US Army paid for the medical degree of a whole hell of a lot more white people than not-white people in his or any other year. I do not understand how this is an example of the "other" taking advantage of the American system to the exclusion of white Americans. As of now, I have as much reason to believe his religion or ethnic background had as much to do with his actions as Tim McVeigh or Harris & Klebold's did in influencing theirs.
But whatever. The comment system might be improved, but the commenters apparently are the same as ever.
YEAH! POWER TO THE PEOPLE! DOWN WITH THE MAN!
STFU. You actually expected it to be any better? Idiot. If you don't like it, go read Defensereview.com
"Like, say, the freedom to identify yourself as a Chinese-American, an Irish-American, an Italian-American, or a Palestinian-American if you so desire?"
Why come to the United States if you don't want to be an American? If you want to be Italian go to Italy, same with the others. Like I said, keep all the cultural identies, that is part of what makes the U.S.A. so great. But come together as Americans and respect your neighbors.
"Should the founding fathers have dropped "all the other stuff" that they brought with them like the Magna Carta or the other British political writings that influenced our Constitution?"
Yes they used outside sources to influence their work but what they formed was all together brand new (outside of a pure democracy like the ancient Greeks used). FYI John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Uncle Abe were all Americans first philosophers second. They put the country first before any other beliefs they held. How many times did they claim to be English-American?
Islam is a violent religion. How many times in the past have we heard the terrorist yell Allah Akbar before murdering people. God said thou shall not murder. There religion is twisted. It is a religion where they call good evil and evil good, and so a curse is upon them. That is why they do what they do. They are given over to it fully. There religion teaches lying is ok in certain circumstances, murder is ok in certain circumstances, stealing is ok in certain circumstances. Do you see how this is twisted? God teaches that lies are always a sin in all circumstances.
Just because some terrorists are muslim doesn't mean all muslims are terrorists… bad logic.
seems funny that the majority are, pinhead. Almost as funny as the Saudi's being our "friends". Ever been to that shithole called "the middle east"?
The majority are? There are over 1 billion Muslims in the world. I think we'd all be in a serious hurt if the majority of 1 billion people were violent towards non-muslims.
excuse me bud… try re-reading my statement… majority of TERRORISTS. gees…
Your right, but it is the terrorists that are the ones that are actually following the tenets of their faith.
The Koran says to convert the world to Islam through force or choice. And those that will not convert must die, where do you think the word Jihad comes from? It means a war against infidels, and who are infidels? Anyone who is not Muslim…. Like it or not, the Global War on Terrorism is a war against the Muslim faith…
The only thing that will stop the terrorism is a change in core belief values and that means a conversion from Islam. Oh, wait a minute, the Muslims are told to excommunicate and kill converts from Islam also…
Please stop, Cannon Fodder. You're making too much sense and the liberals' heads might explode with the sudden in-rush of truth.
You're attributing the beliefs of hardcore Al Qaida extremists to ONE BILLION people. The vast majority of Muslims do not share Al Qaida's views (which you described very well). Al Qaida and their ilk twist religion to their own ends, and aren't representative of mainstream Islam.
On another note, isn't it convenient that we didn't find Jihad a bad thing at all when it was against the Soviet Union?
Sorry, not buying it. The majority of Muslims that are not secular and actually follow their faith share these views. Al Qaida just teaches it straight from their book.
If what you say is true, why do most of the Muslim nations publicly bash Israel? Why is there a constant flow of foreign fighters (from EVERY Muslim nation) into Iraq and Afghanistan? Because it is their faith to try to wipe out the Jews and Christians.
It sounds like you have boughten into the lie that Islam is a peaceful religion. Here check this website out, it is run by ex-Muslims. It talks about what they really believe and what kind of person Mohammed really was…
http://www.faithfreedom.org/content/prologue-0
Their* where it should go. >.<
Jesus said it best:
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." (Matthew 7:15-20)
The great irony is that without the endemic racism so proudly on display here perhaps the shooter wouldn't have felt it necessary to take 12 lives.
But the racist hatred is so deep and heart felt most would rather pass the ammo than give it up
Oh, I see! It's our fault! Our chickens have come home to roost, isn't that it, Pastor Wright. G-d damn, America, huh? Why didn't we see this all along? Now all we have to do is make them love us. That's what we have to do.
Further proof that liberals aren't just clueless, they're actually insane.
Islame isn't a race, genius……
I'm sure this will come out eventually, but how fast did the MPs and security on post respond to this? When I heard the news about this shooting my first thought was this "I hope its not a muslim name." Why would I think that first?
I also have to give praise to the soldiers who immediately went into action to help the wounded.
The last report I saw said the police officer who shot the guy responded within 3 minutes of the alert. She hit him 4 times.
Yes Major Hassan was born in Virginia, but he marked Palestinian-American on his paperwork at his local Mosque in Virginia. Hmm, sounds like he wasn't really that sold on being American. In my honest opinion your birth place shouldn't make you an automatic citizen. I'll save that for a rainy day.
Yes the Army likely paid for his education as it does for lots of people. But everybody who joins the military has the same chance of getting their education paid for, it has nothing to do with race. Now once you try to get a promotion, a job outside the Army, or apply to a certain school then the white guys get screwed. Does that make sense to you? Why shouldn't everybody have the same chance? Why should race even be in someone's application?
McVeigh, Harris, and Klebold were crazy, did any of them mention God or their race in why they did what they did? Nope.
What is the point of coming to America (or living here) if you don't want to BE AMERICAN?
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/2009/Q4/view59…
Yes he is a science fiction author but also a very smart man. He make the perfect point. The man was a traitor. And those men died not just because of him but because of political correctness.
Oble dont be a moron. This guy listed his place of birth as palestine even though he was born in virgina.
There is a huge difference between racism and just damn common sence.
The american people and government need to wake up. This is not a police action this is a war. They have been at war with us sence we founded our country. If the common muslim wont fight or atleast condem terrorist actions around the world then they have still made a choice.
According to there imams they can do or say anything as long as it will hurt us. We do not count as real people to many that we are fighting or who are supporting radical islam.
When they say they condem the attacks on western televison they say the exact opposite on there own.
Radical islam is the threat. You cant reason with it, bribe it, change it, or live with it. You can only destroy it.
Radical islam is the threat. Islam as a whole isn't.
And… terrorists have been at war with us since 1776? Really?
True, not all Muslims are terrorists. But when you can't tell them apart because they don't stand up and cry out against it, then in my mind they are just as guilty.
After all, ‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’. So if they are not going to stand against it than they stand for it by silence.
And again, you don't see any little old ladies doing jihad, or white or black or yellow or orange, only muslims. So we should be monitoring everything they do. I like racial profiling.
People immigrate to this country and then bash our country or try to change our country to their homeland or try to force their customs on us. If they want what is in their homeland or they want their customs, go back where you came from. If you want to be in America you need to adhere to our customs and assimilate and learn our language or quite frankly GO HOME!
Actually, I do see lots of non-Muslim terrorists. Maoists, communists, right-wing nationalists, the IRA, (though they have thankfully adopted peace) Timothy McVeigh, and on and on.
Terrorism is a method of warfare, and it is not specific to any one ethnic/religious group any more than air warfare or naval warfare.
And one more thing. He may have been born in Virginia. But were his parents citizens or was he an anchor baby. Anyone born in this country whose parents are not citizens should not be a citizen either. And if this is what muslim parents breed than we shouldn't allow them to immigrate to our country at all.
There have been plenty of mass-murderers in this country. By your logic we shouldn't allow anyone into our country at all.
Hmm… How many of those mass-murderers that you mentioned have hijacked air liners in the name of allah and killed thousands of innocent men, women and children? Sorry, I am a New Yorker, and have seen the holes in the ground where thousands died at the hands of a religion.
15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis and then there is that Bin Laden guy, wait a minute, he is a Saudi too… We are not at war with a person or fanatics, but a twisting of religion… This is not the first time that a Muslim in the US military has turned on his true brothers and sisters.
I am sorry, I don't think we should put all the Muslims in internment camps like the Japenese of WWII, but I think more caution is necessary. When you fight cowards unfortunately you need to take harsh steps in protecting the innocent.
"I am a New Yorker, and have seen the holes in the ground where thousands died at the hands of a religion."
Actually, they died at the hands of 19 men, not 1.2 billion.
I've seen them to. Believe me, I hate those 19 just as much as you do. I just understand that there is a difference between them and the other 1.5 billion.
Dualityofman,
This coward used his access and the trust others put in him and murdered people doing paper work. They were in their home not thinking that one of their own would think to kill them for no reason more than his twisted backward ideology. I think its safe to say that calling him a murdering coward is not rascist but accurate reporting. This is not the first Muslim soldier to commit treason against his own. You might need to wake up to the real world. Your self-imposed ignorance might kill you. If Muslims can't adjust to civilized society and working with others outside their religion than they need to not be around. Letting others be killed for PC b.s. is assinine and a waste of resources.
"This is not the first Muslim soldier to commit treason against his own."
Christians and Jews have also committed treason. What's your point?
I think the point is that we're not currently in a global war against Jewish or Christian fascist ideology. Maybe it's just me sammy, but I think that may be a pertinent point……Well, maybe not to a moslem apologist…
"This is not the first Muslim soldier to commit treason against his own."
I am a Muslim but I haven't apologized for anything, nor do I need to.
What is the "fascist ideology" you are referring to exactly and how does it relate to the Fort Hood shooter?
Here is a link to a list of other shootings in America. Explain the "fascist ideology" behind those as well.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/inter…
This is for Sam and Duality. It appears that you both are Muslim.
Do you deny then that your "holy" book the Koran says to kill the non-muslims wherever they are? To try to convert them and if not, kill them and tax the survivors?
I can give you exact locations if you need them… Like I said, the ones that the press calls "radical, extremists" muslims are the ones that are actually doing what their "bible" says…
I'd say go read some history on fascist ideology and then compare that to the religion of peace, but if your a moslem, I doubt you'd do that…
"No politics", nooo way…!
"Defense Tech" shot itself in the head with this new distracting, squabble-creating format. Just wait a bit and you'll agree with me. (They should have studied other Web-sites with discussion forums first, for example on-line newspaper editions, asked us, offered us several options, made a short test-run, done ANYTHING but shown spontaneousness)
I never said he wasn't cowardly or a murderer.
Once again… you fail to realize that you can't judge the whole of a group on its worst members.
This episode is another demonstration that there aren't good muslims but all of them are evil and hate the western race and civilization. So we should not allow muslims to come to our countries.
All the Muslims in the USA should be immediately rounded up and shot.
We Christians are peaceful and forgiving, the filthy Muslims
are rabid deranged savages.
The Jews, of course, are even more peaceful and forgiving than the Christians, and that is why Israel deserves the 100% support of the USA!
Christianity is the religion of peace.
European/American history bears this fact out.
There were no European wars about religion, there was no Inquisition, there was no slaughter of S. American natives by the Christian Spanish Conquistadors in the name of God, and there were no Salem Witch Trials.
The Christians have a historical record that is absolutely spotless.
It is those hate filled Muslims that should be killed, and then we Christians can get back to doing what we do best.
Zandor,
You're obviously and expert on religion and religious texts. It's obvious to anyone who has read the Koran and Ahadith that Allah commands his legion to violence; Islam is a thoroughly violent faith based on its religious texts. Now please tell me where in the Bible Jesus or his disciples told his followers to harm anyone or fight wars in his name or oppress anybody. Please. I'd love to hear it. No, I'll wait…
You are a shining example of ignorance amplified by arrogance.
"Now please tell me where in the Bible Jesus or his disciples told his followers to harm anyone or fight wars in his name or oppress anybody."
Thankfully Jesus never said any such thing.
But here is part of Deuteronomy 7:
When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you – and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations–the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you–and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.
Deuteronomy, not Jesus. (He was better than that).
It is sort of puzzeling that a room filled with highly trained US Army heroes getting ready to go to Afghanistan, didn't seem to have the balls to charge on the guy with a pistols, but instead chose to just cower around behind their chairs and get shot.
Only spineless coward worms react that way.
So it seems that it took a 32 year old female traffic cop to stop the guy!
Yet another inspiring display of courage by the US Military.
The US Military knows how to do everything, except how to fight.
What a joke.
Except that a lot of people are dead, and if there had a been a bit of courage shown there would have been a lot less dead.
It's too bad a brave soul like you wasn't in that room. Actually, it's too bad you weren't in that room, period.
Hey look its zandor trying to make people think this is a hate site or he's trying to be sarcastic………and failing miserably.
What up retard.
The difference dipsh*t is this. This is the 21 century.
Btw most of those poor s. american native died due to disease that we unknowingly carried at the time. (We thought it was vapors from the ground etc)
The conquistadors were helped by a slave who was given to them by the Aztecs. Yes they had slaves. Infact most every culture has at some point.
And witches….
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/14/world/m…
Yea saudi arabia has this thing they keep seeing witches and dijin and such.
How to solve this kill the guy.
Like that zandor.
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No one is saying that christains never do violent things we do all faiths do.
But if i got to saudi arabia and blow up a mall i wont be called a martyr.
The difference is that islam teaches religion by the sword. The difference is that most other faiths teach you to treat EVERYONE reguardless of faith the same way you treat a person of your own faith.
No can we please stop blaming the US for all the bad things in the last 2000 years?
thanks ok bye.
You are funny.
You aren't. You're just annoying. Like a paper cut between your fingers that keeps splitting open. I'm sure to a low-life like yourself that's a complement, though.
I wonder if anyone noticed: This attack happened right after "Defense Tech" changed its traditional format. Could it could have been avoided?
News reports have said that this guy has openly stated his disapproval of being stationed in Iraq or Afghanistan. I also saw a report today that he was turned in as a security risk after his pro-Muslim Anti-war comments at a military Doctors conference. And let's not forget that the Base commander reported he yelled "allah akbar" when he started shooting.
In 2003 a muslim turn coat soldier killed and wounded a bunch of GI's by rolling a grenade into a tent. My question is how did this slip through the cracks? How did someone who was a vocal anti-American muslim not get investigated earlier? Especially in a military unit. Something needs to change now so that more turncoat terrorist attacks do not happen.
Welcome to paralysis induced by political correctness.
Dear Cannon Fodder;
Only politically correct patriots should be accepted into our society.
Everyone else should be shot.
That would solve the problem.
To hell with the Constitution, and all of those silly amendments to the Constitution.
We need America to be America.
If we started to do a lot more killing, we would be more safe.
>Only politically correct patriots should be accepted into our society
But how would you know who's a patriot unless we have imaginary Islamic terrorists to point them out ?
This is where Valcun's suggestion to hold the recruit down with his boot before getting the terrorist to shoot them in the head is so helpful.
NOT ONE JEW BERG, BAUM, STEIN, OR OTHER JEW PRECIOUS METAL NAMES SUCH AS DIAMOND SILVER OR GOLD ON THE LIST OF THE AMERICAN KIDS SHOT OR WOUNDED IN FT. HOOD
JEWS ARE TOO BUSY STARTING WARS AND BUILDING SETTLEMENTS ON ARAB LAND WITH THE 10 BILLION DOLLARS SENT EVERY YEAR TO ISRAEL AND AIPAC FUNDS ABOUT TWO BILLION BACK TO PAY OFF SENATE AND CONGRESS TO INSURE ELECTING THEIR JEW LIEBERMANS AND JEW SCHUMERS,ALSO GETTING STATE FEDERAL AND MUNICIPAL JEW JUDGES APPOINTED SO THEY CAN KEEP SCHEMING AND STEALING BILLIONS ALA GOLDMAN SACHS,BEAR STERNS,ETC WHILE U.S. NON JEW KIDS DIE FOR JEW CAUSES AND JEW MONEY MAKING SCHEMES EXACTLY LIKE THE JEWS DID IN EUROPE FOR THE LAST 200 YEARS,CAUSING 100 MILLION DEATHS INCLUDING 6 MILLION OF THEIR OWN SCUM SO THET COULD GET A FOOTHOLD INTO THE MIDDLE EAST NOW CALLED ISRAEL
NOW THE WORLD IS FIGHTING AND DYING FOR JEW CAUSES WHILE THE JEWS LAUGH AT THE GOY IGNORANCE
Wow. People still believe in a 'vast Jewish conspiracy'?
It's 2009, folks. That crap should have died with the Nazis and Tsarists.
Not that your post even deserves a reply, but it's not Arab land anyways. The land rightfully belongs to the Jews, it's called "The Promised Land". The Arabs have no claim to it. But, because we feel we need to try to appease Muslims by giving them more and more land, the US forces Israel to give land to them in an "attempt" at peace. No peace will come from giving Israeli land to the Muslims, because the Muslims want all the land, especially Jerusalem and they just want to wipe the Jews out in accordance with their Koran…
OMFG I accually agree wit duality…this could be bad.
btw wtf is GOY IGNORANCE???
Born yesterday: You are showing all of the intelligence of one born yesterday.
There is no such thing as a safe Muslim.
To the poster born yesterday:
Part I :
You're absolutely right:
Names of the victims wounded during the Fort Hood shooting.
Kimberly Munley, shot in hand and both legs.
Matthew Cook, 30, shot in abdomen.
Amber Bahr, 19, shot in the stomach.
Keara Bono, 21, shot in back.
Joy Clark, 27, unspecified gunshot
Joey Foster, 21, shot in the hip.
Justin Johnson, 21, shot in chest and leg.
Grant Moxon, 23, shot in the leg.
George Stratton III, 18, shot on shoulder.
Raymondo Saucedo, 26, bullet grazed his arm.
Nathan Hewett, unspecified injury.
Alonzo Lunsford, shot three to four times.
Names of the victims killed during the Fort Hood shooting.
Michael Pearson, 21
Amy Krueger, 29
Jason Dean Hunt, 22
John Gaffaney, 56
Aaron Thomas Nemelka,19
Russel Seager, 51
Francheska Velez, 21, and unborn child
(Continued)
Part II :
By the way: Did you know that during that other media-covered "Muslim" attack in the U.S.A., on the 11 / 9 / 2001, "miraculously" not a single "God-Chosen" died either in ANY of the 7 buildings and in the Pentagon and in ANY of the 4 planes?
All 7.000 of them had been previously tipped off by S.M.S.s from the "Odigo" text-messaging company to stay at home!
bomb,
I have heard this story over and over and over.
What is it about jews that some people especialy euros seem to hate?
But really id just like to know where all your info comes from. Would it be a man with a koran or one with a swastika? It seems so hard to tell lately they seem so similar.
Ever wonder why they got that text? Sure israel knew about the attack. And told the US which said well get right on that. They used to have your poiny of view on security.
To the poster "Valcan" :
You wrote: "I have heard this (Odigo) story over and over and over."
Oh you did?! Then don't bother to check it out! It's probably just another silly rumour like that "Magical Bullet" that killed Kennedy. Never happened!
there were between 400 and 500 jews killed during the attacks, just read a list of the names….its not as if the list gives religion, but there are names that tend to be jewish
also the orthodox jews arrived late due to morning prayers for one of their holidays, so many of them avoided the tragedy….
for all the muslim bashing, people are very quick to believe their propaganda, i'd hope americans would be able to think for themselves a little and actually research the issue instead of believing anti-Jewish propaganda coming from Islamic Arabs in the middle east…..you really need to keep an eye on the real enemies of this country
Doubt if bomb is american.
Magic bullet that killed kennedy? What? God there are way to many Conspiracy theories out now.
My favorite…There was no moon landing. Even though you can see the vehicles equipment etc….on the moon….right now………we call these people special.
Dont know any americans who think it was the evil JOOS!!!! Who did 911.
Of course there are some….probably ron paul fanatics.
: )
I can't wait to see the outcome when this Maj. is in the military prison. Solitary confinement you can bet our guys will get to him.
Our government knew about this guy and yet they allowed him to continue to wear an American uniform. He should have been dishonorably discharged and sent right over to Afghan on a transporter full of faithful American soldiers.
Those that were involved in the investigation of this terrorist and let him remain in the Army should stand trial for murder right beside him.
In talking with my 31 year old daughter about this I realize how ingnorant that generation is about the condition our country is in.
My sincere condolances to those that lost loved ones at Ft. Hood and those that have injured ones. My thoughts are with those at Ft. Hood.
The majority of terrorists opposed to the US, sure.
But there are A LOT of terrorists. Irish, (though thankfully that situation seems to be over) Ulster, Maoist, communist, Tamil, American (Timothy McVeigh types), various nationalists…
Anyway, I don't consider Timothy McVeigh representative of my country, and I don't consider Osama Bin Laden representative of the Middle East. It's unfair to judge a group by the worst among them.
Cannon, please stop bringing relevant facts and arguments into this. The Koran and the Hadiths are off-limits to criticism; didn't you get the memo? Just because their "holy" books call for the killing, enslavement, and forced conversion of us sons of monkeys and pigs doesn't mean it's behind their murderous ideology. Sheesh! Before you know it, you're going to say that the passage from the Sunna "Every tree and every rock will cry out, 'Oh Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me! Come and kill the Jew!" inspires violence against Jews or something.
No, I am not a muslim.
And no, the Koran does not say anything about killing non-muslims. In fact, it bans conversion by force (unfortunately, this doesn't seem to have had an effect on the persecution of people converting from islam to another religion, which is a truly awful practice).
"I'd say go read some history on fascist ideology and then compare that to the religion of peace.."
I'd say you are trying pass the buck since you are unable to answer my question. If you are convinced that Islam is a "fascist ideology" then you should be able to answer the question. You still haven't explained why others go on shooting rampages either.
Fascism? Last time I heard, the fascists promoted christianity. Or, at least, their version of christianity that they twisted to promote fascism. Rather like islamic extremists twist islam to promote their ideology.
"And no, the Koran does not say anything about killing non-muslims."
Wow, that's a load of BS. The Koran is very explicit about killing, oppressing, converting and taxing non-muslims (infidels)
Take a look here:
http://infidelsarecool.com/2006/12/28/overwhelmin…
Wow… Dude, I recommend that you do some research. 2:191, "And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out …" It's all in the Koran, even the beheading of the infidel parts (8:12). You didn't think that the terrorist came up with that all by themselves did you?
9:123 is also nice, "fight the unbelievers that live near you". I guess that would some up what happened at Fort Hood.
He was just following what his religion said to do… Islam is not a religion of peace…
When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations–the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you–and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.
What holy book is this from?
Those were specific commands in taking a specific area and the way that warfare should be fought today.
Jews are not commanded to take over the world by killing every non-Jew on the face of the planet, Muslims are. Nice try though Duality…
Keep up the good work Duality.
Cannon is quick to try and place the above quote by Duality into context but he makes no effort to do the same regarding the Quran.
That's OK, it won't make much of a difference to these Anti-Islam posters anyway.
Muslims are not 'commanded to kill every non-muslim on the face of the planet.' Extremists might think so, but the Islamic world historically tolerated Christians and Jews, though it made them second-class citizens.
Truth hurts huh Sam? Should I bring up how Muslims are allowed to treat their wifes, better yet the whole female gender?
Muslims are allowed to lie to further their cause, yup it's another of their "peaceful" beliefs… It's called Al-taqiyya… Maybe we should ask Barry Soetoro about this…
Deny it all you want, It's in their book. Is every Muslim a murdering machine, no, some are very pleasant. But, it comes down to issues of core values and unfortunately when you look into it, that is the core of their faith.
Is every Muslim a terrorist? No, but then again every Christian has no clue what they believe either. They go to church once a week and whatever the pastor or priest says is what they accept as truth, they don't take the time to look into it themselves…
The problem is you have Muslim Imams that teach straight from the Koran, and enforce barbaric laws and teachings, these are the Militant ones that we are having problems with. The others teach a more passive form of Islam, they are for the most part friendly, do family things and fast at Ramadan…
"If what you say is true, why do most of the Muslim nations publicly bash Israel?"
Because Israel murders, abducts, and steals from Palestinians while it maintains an illegal occupation.
"Truth hurts huh Sam?"
What truth Cannon? I called you out for trying to explain violence in the bible. You have no answer.
Both books are violent. The problem is with leaders who exploit religion to promote violence, not with the books.
Duality, it comes down to the end result. The Torah and Bible teach "love your neighbor as yourself", to take care of strangers, to pray for your enemies and instruct those who disagree with you. It does discuss some wars in the old testament, mostly in Israel establishing the promised land. But read the Gospels, you will see that the Jewish/christian faith is based on love. Jesus sacrificed himself for mankind, to reconcile men to God.
The Muslim faith also uses the "old Testament" of the bible and also believe that Jesus was a prophet. But then it adds the teachings of the Koran. It is a religion where you never really know where you stand with God, but their is a way where you can have an assured relationship with him.
Not once in the Bible/Torah does it say to force people to convert to their faith, the Koran plainly states that fact.
This argument can go on forever, that is why "changing" Afghanistan and Iraq is so difficult. It is a conflict of faiths. The Americans and Jews will always be infidels to Muslims. Until the truth is know, their will never be change.
Actually, fascists promote the worship of the state, over the rights of the individual, often under the cloak of making things better and more fair for everyone…..
Kinda like killing people for listening to music and throwing acid in girls faces when they go to school, because your "holy" book says that these things should not be done. For the good of everyone of course…..
Maybe I was wrong. Perhaps islame isn't so much a fascist ideology as it is a cult?
If it's the state doing that, it's theocracy. If it's not the state… it's individual religious extremism.
Fascism is a distinct ideology that should not be confused with totalitarianism, stalinism, maoism, or other ideologies that worship the state.
A cult? A religion more than a thousand years old with more followers than the population of China is a cult?
People used to consider Christianity and Mormonism cults. They're not, and neither is Islam.
Are you just out of points to make?
Israel protects itself against constant racism and hate from nations that completely surround it. The land legaly belongs to Israel. The land was conqured by Israel in ancient times and then returned to Israel after WWII. The land is called the "Promised Land" and the Jews are the special chosen people of God.
Muslim nations could have easily absorbed the Palestinians, yet none of them allowed them in. This situation could have easily been diffused if Muslims practice "love" and took in people of their own faith.
Now, you have a displaced people group that depends on terrorism to force a nation into giving it land. And when land is given "to bring peace" they just demand more. The Muslims will not be happy until Israel no longer exists.
Actually, Israel was not given the West Bank, Golan Heights, or Gaza Strip after WWII. Isreal acquired them in a 1967 surprise attack.
Actually, Israel was supposed to be given much more, but through constant whining from Muslims, the land was divided up. If it was the US, it would be the equivilence of Russia being given NY, NJ, PA, FL, CA, TX and several other states during the cold war.
Israel then suffered from constant attacks and finally after a large buildup of muslim troops and tanks in these border areas, and fearing another full out Muslim attack, Israel preempitvely struck the Muslim army and drove them out of the West Bank, Golan, and Gaza…
The Muslims do not want some of the land, they want Israel destroyed. They believe that they are the "Blessed of God" instead of Israel, and with Israel in existance, it proves their faith wrong.
Defying all natural posibility, Israel, which had been scattered to all the nations of the world have returned to the land promised them by God as written in scripture, and the next part of prophecy is the destruction of her enemies. "I will bless those who bless you and curse those that curse you…" – Gen 12:3