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> <channel><title>Comments on: Keep it Simple</title> <atom:link href="http://defensetech.org/2009/11/05/keep-it-simple/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/05/keep-it-simple/</link> <description>The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 07:27:57 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Eric daniel</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/05/keep-it-simple/comment-page-1/#comment-187538</link> <dc:creator>Eric daniel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:39:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=4910#comment-187538</guid> <description>Big Daddy,
I did a write up about the Barrett XM-109 payload rifle a couple years ago and thought it a capable enough defensive weapon, but the 5 shot, 25mm rifle weighs 33 pounds, which, to me, definitely takes it out of the realm of dismounted offensive operations.  Where I do think something like this would excel is in the defense, where it&#8217;s range (2600m), accuracy, and HE warheads would prove very useful against light armored vehicles or troops in buildings. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Daddy,</p><p>I did a write up about the Barrett XM-109 payload rifle a couple years ago and thought it a capable enough defensive weapon, but the 5 shot, 25mm rifle weighs 33 pounds, which, to me, definitely takes it out of the realm of dismounted offensive operations.  Where I do think something like this would excel is in the defense, where it’s range (2600m), accuracy, and HE warheads would prove very useful against light armored vehicles or troops in buildings.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Big Daddy</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/05/keep-it-simple/comment-page-1/#comment-187201</link> <dc:creator>Big Daddy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:20:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=4910#comment-187201</guid> <description>Don&#039;t get me started on the cammo BS, it doesn&#039;t work, cammo is a waste of money. The Israelis do not use it because they found out that it doesn&#039;t work. Yet the DOD spends billions on something that doesn&#039;t work.
The best cammo is rubbing some of whatever is on the ground on your uniform. Which usually is not necessary, after a few minutes of laying in it you have it all over you. What&#039;s more important than color is breaking up your visual signature and outline.
Simple: Jungle is green, woodland is brown and green, desert is tan/brown. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t get me started on the cammo BS, it doesn’t work, cammo is a waste of money. The Israelis do not use it because they found out that it doesn’t work. Yet the DOD spends billions on something that doesn’t work.</p><p>The best cammo is rubbing some of whatever is on the ground on your uniform. Which usually is not necessary, after a few minutes of laying in it you have it all over you. What’s more important than color is breaking up your visual signature and outline.</p><p>Simple: Jungle is green, woodland is brown and green, desert is tan/brown.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ProjectThor</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/05/keep-it-simple/comment-page-1/#comment-187196</link> <dc:creator>ProjectThor</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:34:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=4910#comment-187196</guid> <description>Hmmm, Pandor... fully geared up a US solider is carrying close to a hundred lbs... why don&#039;t you take some time from be a pencil dicked Troll and studdy... </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, Pandor… fully geared up a US solider is carrying close to a hundred lbs… why don’t you take some time from be a pencil dicked Troll and studdy…</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mushim</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/05/keep-it-simple/comment-page-1/#comment-187168</link> <dc:creator>mushim</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:16:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=4910#comment-187168</guid> <description>Why is it we spend so much money on camouflage studies and come up with the ACU, and Abdul just wears his Sunday best, and blends in so much better? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it we spend so much money on camouflage studies and come up with the ACU, and Abdul just wears his Sunday best, and blends in so much better?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Big Daddy</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/05/keep-it-simple/comment-page-1/#comment-187149</link> <dc:creator>Big Daddy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:37:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=4910#comment-187149</guid> <description>1-2 years, they can have a bullet trap rifle grenade, like within a few months.
It&#039;s amazing what the USA can do when we want to. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1–2 years, they can have a bullet trap rifle grenade, like within a few months.</p><p>It’s amazing what the USA can do when we want to.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: WarScientist</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/05/keep-it-simple/comment-page-1/#comment-187144</link> <dc:creator>WarScientist</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:01:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=4910#comment-187144</guid> <description>Counter-defillade fire is not impossible without the XM25. Major strides are being made in 40mm medium-velocity grenades (with rearward-facing warhead and programmable fuses) and the assosciated fire control systems.
The Aimpoint BR8 is the first step in making the 40mm much more accurate. Next step is to link the fire control system and impliment a fuse-programming so that airburst fires are a viable option.
The aimpoint BR8 is going into service these coming few months with the swedish army, and programmable airbursting medium velocity 40mm are only 1-2 years away. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Counter-defillade fire is not impossible without the XM25. Major strides are being made in 40mm medium-velocity grenades (with rearward-facing warhead and programmable fuses) and the assosciated fire control systems.</p><p>The Aimpoint BR8 is the first step in making the 40mm much more accurate. Next step is to link the fire control system and impliment a fuse-programming so that airburst fires are a viable option.</p><p>The aimpoint BR8 is going into service these coming few months with the swedish army, and programmable airbursting medium velocity 40mm are only 1–2 years away.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brad</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/05/keep-it-simple/comment-page-1/#comment-187139</link> <dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:57:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=4910#comment-187139</guid> <description>A few other infantry fire support weapons deserve mention:
1) The M-67 90mm recoilless rifle.  The M-67 was the U.S. counterpart to the better Carl Gustaf 84mm anti-tank weapon, and replaced in service by the Dragon anti-tank guided missile.  If the Army had stocks of the M-67 still in inventory, it surprises me the the USMC didn&#039;t use it when the USMC selected a SMAW back in 1984.  It would have been cheaper and served just as well.
2)But what might be a better alternative than the M-67 or the Carl Gustav for a company support weapon is the even older M-18a1 57mm recoiless rifle.  This U.S. weapon was developed in WWII and saw extensive service during the Korean War.
The M-67 and CG were intended as anti-tank weapons and designed to primarily fire HEAT warhead ammunition.  Because of this they are compromised by extremely large bore size.  Which is why they cannot match the M-18a1 in range (and probably accuracy) even though all three fire a shell of similar weight.
3) The RPG-2, also known as the B-40 in the Vietnam War.  (BTW &quot;RPG&quot; does not stand for &quot;rocket propelled grenade&quot;)  The RPG-2 preceded the better known RPG-7 and has a much lower projectile velocity, more comparable to that of the old M-9 bazooka.  But with the increased velocity of the RPG-7 came much greater weight.  Whereas the RPG-2 is a remarkably lightweight system, only 6 pounds empty and 10 pounds loaded, while packing an enormous punch.
Since the increased velocity of the RPG-7 is mostly useful for combat  against moving armored vehicles, the RPG-2 is actually a better choice than the RPG-7 for a squad or platoon level infantry support weapon.  The kinds of targets primarily engaged by U.S. infantry anti-tank weapons are field fortifications and not armored vehicles.  In fact the history of U.S. infantry anti-tank weapon use, after the early months of the Korean War, have been mainly against targets other than armored vehicles.
Isn&#039;t it time the infantry received a support weapon not compromised by the requirements for anti-tank warfare?
Final note
Re: rifle grenades
Because of the nature of spigot launched projectiles, greater versatility is possible with a rifle grenade than a 20mm, 25mm, or 40mm grenade launchers.  A typical rifle grenade weighs one pound, but smaller grenades which weigh less and have less recoil, or larger grenades for superior capability are possible.
Modern rifle grenades don&#039;t have the drawbacks of WWII era technology, which required rifles to use specialized rifle-grenade launching blank-cartridges.  It&#039;s probably true though that the fragile construction of the M-16/M-4 family would not stand up very well to prolonged use of rifle-grenades. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few other infantry fire support weapons deserve mention:</p><p>1) The M-67 90mm recoilless rifle.  The M-67 was the U.S. counterpart to the better Carl Gustaf 84mm anti-tank weapon, and replaced in service by the Dragon anti-tank guided missile.  If the Army had stocks of the M-67 still in inventory, it surprises me the the USMC didn’t use it when the USMC selected a SMAW back in 1984.  It would have been cheaper and served just as well.</p><p>2)But what might be a better alternative than the M-67 or the Carl Gustav for a company support weapon is the even older M-18a1 57mm recoiless rifle.  This U.S. weapon was developed in WWII and saw extensive service during the Korean War.</p><p>The M-67 and CG were intended as anti-tank weapons and designed to primarily fire HEAT warhead ammunition.  Because of this they are compromised by extremely large bore size.  Which is why they cannot match the M-18a1 in range (and probably accuracy) even though all three fire a shell of similar weight.</p><p>3) The RPG-2, also known as the B-40 in the Vietnam War.  (BTW “RPG” does not stand for “rocket propelled grenade”)  The RPG-2 preceded the better known RPG-7 and has a much lower projectile velocity, more comparable to that of the old M-9 bazooka.  But with the increased velocity of the RPG-7 came much greater weight.  Whereas the RPG-2 is a remarkably lightweight system, only 6 pounds empty and 10 pounds loaded, while packing an enormous punch.</p><p>Since the increased velocity of the RPG-7 is mostly useful for combat  against moving armored vehicles, the RPG-2 is actually a better choice than the RPG-7 for a squad or platoon level infantry support weapon.  The kinds of targets primarily engaged by U.S. infantry anti-tank weapons are field fortifications and not armored vehicles.  In fact the history of U.S. infantry anti-tank weapon use, after the early months of the Korean War, have been mainly against targets other than armored vehicles.</p><p>Isn’t it time the infantry received a support weapon not compromised by the requirements for anti-tank warfare?</p><p>Final note</p><p>Re: rifle grenades</p><p>Because of the nature of spigot launched projectiles, greater versatility is possible with a rifle grenade than a 20mm, 25mm, or 40mm grenade launchers.  A typical rifle grenade weighs one pound, but smaller grenades which weigh less and have less recoil, or larger grenades for superior capability are possible.</p><p>Modern rifle grenades don’t have the drawbacks of WWII era technology, which required rifles to use specialized rifle-grenade launching blank-cartridges.  It’s probably true though that the fragile construction of the M-16/M-4 family would not stand up very well to prolonged use of rifle-grenades.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Zandor</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/05/keep-it-simple/comment-page-1/#comment-187072</link> <dc:creator>Zandor</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:56:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=4910#comment-187072</guid> <description>You must be one of the biggest and  baddest tough guys on this planet.
Or, you are a flat out bald faced  liar.
The imagination can play tricks on people that wish and imagine that they were heroes.
Especially when they weren&#039;t!
Ciao! </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must be one of the biggest and  baddest tough guys on this planet.</p><p>Or, you are a flat out bald faced  liar.</p><p>The imagination can play tricks on people that wish and imagine that they were heroes.</p><p>Especially when they weren’t!</p><p>Ciao!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Txzen</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/05/keep-it-simple/comment-page-1/#comment-187058</link> <dc:creator>Txzen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:02:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=4910#comment-187058</guid> <description>I thought XM-25 was being field test as we speak.&#039;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.army.mil/-news/2009/05/21/21503-peo-soldier-unveils-lighter-more-lethal-weapons-systems/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.army.mil/-news/2009/05/21/21503-peo-so...&lt;/a&gt; </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought XM-25 was being field test as we speak.‘<br
/> <a
href="http://www.army.mil/-news/2009/05/21/21503-peo-soldier-unveils-lighter-more-lethal-weapons-systems/" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.army.mil/-news/2009/05/21/21503-peo-so.." rel="nofollow">http://www.army.mil/-news/2009/05/21/21503-peo-so..</a>.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Trent Telenko</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/05/keep-it-simple/comment-page-1/#comment-187056</link> <dc:creator>Trent Telenko</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:41:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=4910#comment-187056</guid> <description>The US Army already has a shotgun attachment for it&#039;s M4/M16 rifles that can use 12 gauge shotgun based grenades, in addition to the 40mm M320 grenade launcher. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US Army already has a shotgun attachment for it’s M4/M16 rifles that can use 12 gauge shotgun based grenades, in addition to the 40mm M320 grenade launcher.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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