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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/09/the-osprey-has-landed/#comment-204724</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or crashed one...oh no, that&#039;s right...nobody could know anyone that crashed one because any crash landing in an Osprey is fatal...SFB!! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or crashed one…oh no, that’s right…nobody could know anyone that crashed one because any crash landing in an Osprey is fatal…SFB!!</p>
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		<title>By: tex</title>
		<link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/09/the-osprey-has-landed/#comment-188163</link>
		<dc:creator>tex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard that the v-22 Osprey costs over $10 mil.   How can they afford that much for an airplane with so little lift capability? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve heard that the v-22 Osprey costs over $10 mil.   How can they afford that much for an airplane with so little lift capability?</p>
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		<title>By: freefallingbomb</title>
		<link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/09/the-osprey-has-landed/#comment-187838</link>
		<dc:creator>freefallingbomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the poster &quot;Ed!&quot; : 
 
 
You wrote: &quot;And you aren&#039;t a puppet? You sound like the rest of the folks in here slamming the Osprey, but I&#039;m the one that is following the herd.&quot; 
 
 
Watching the Osprey &quot;in action&quot; is like watching somebody stumbling down 24 times the stairs: I&#039;m surprised you even reached a different conclusion! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the poster “Ed!” : </p>
<p>You wrote: “And you aren’t a puppet? You sound like the rest of the folks in here slamming the Osprey, but I’m the one that is following the herd.” </p>
<p>Watching the Osprey “in action” is like watching somebody stumbling down 24 times the stairs: I’m surprised you even reached a different conclusion!</p>
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		<title>By: Ed!</title>
		<link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/09/the-osprey-has-landed/#comment-187774</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you aren&#039;t a puppet?  You sound like the rest of the folks in here slamming the Osprey, but I&#039;m the one that is following the herd.  Ok, whatever you say.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you aren’t a puppet?  You sound like the rest of the folks in here slamming the Osprey, but I’m the one that is following the herd.  Ok, whatever you say.</p>
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		<title>By: freefallingbomb</title>
		<link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/09/the-osprey-has-landed/#comment-187727</link>
		<dc:creator>freefallingbomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But all the available escort / attack helicopters (Iroquois, Cobras and Cayuse&#039;s) together couldn&#039;t prevent the loss of 12.000 U.S. helicopters over Vietnam either, ~ 3 per day, for 12 years straight... 
These things are so incredibly fragile that some of them even went down only very, very slowly, with just one tiny little hole made by just one tiny little bullet... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But all the available escort / attack helicopters (Iroquois, Cobras and Cayuse’s) together couldn’t prevent the loss of 12.000 U.S. helicopters over Vietnam either, ~ 3 per day, for 12 years straight…<br />
These things are so incredibly fragile that some of them even went down only very, very slowly, with just one tiny little hole made by just one tiny little bullet…</p>
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		<title>By: Cole</title>
		<link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/09/the-osprey-has-landed/#comment-187684</link>
		<dc:creator>Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that MV-22 and helicopters rarely fly long ranges. The distance from Kandahar to Helmand province is less than 150 kms each way. Now the occasional trip to Farah province or up to Bagram from Kandahar is where the MV-22 will shine. But the Army can park UH-60s and AH-64D at smaller bases closer to the fight to compensate for any speed differential. 
 
But please don&#039;t try to hover to land a load of Marines at 8,000&#039;. I understand the Marines gave up one such base in Helmand province at that altitude. Could it be because MV-22 could not support it? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that MV-22 and helicopters rarely fly long ranges. The distance from Kandahar to Helmand province is less than 150 kms each way. Now the occasional trip to Farah province or up to Bagram from Kandahar is where the MV-22 will shine. But the Army can park UH-60s and AH-64D at smaller bases closer to the fight to compensate for any speed differential. </p>
<p>But please don’t try to hover to land a load of Marines at 8,000′. I understand the Marines gave up one such base in Helmand province at that altitude. Could it be because MV-22 could not support it?</p>
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		<title>By: DualityOfMan</title>
		<link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/09/the-osprey-has-landed/#comment-187671</link>
		<dc:creator>DualityOfMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the B-17s were slaughtered before the escorts were introduced. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the B-17s were slaughtered before the escorts were introduced.</p>
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		<title>By: freefallingbomb</title>
		<link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/09/the-osprey-has-landed/#comment-187661</link>
		<dc:creator>freefallingbomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the poster &quot;Ed!&quot; : 
 
 
You wrote: &quot;Did you know the UH-1s didn&#039;t have an escort until they created the Gunship version and then finally the AH-1? Did you know the B-17, B-24, and every other bomber we had in the European theater had no escort that could go the distance with them until the P-51 was given a new engine and drop tanks? See how flawed your argument is?&quot; 
 
 
MY point is moot? You just said yourself that in all these cases the U.S. Airforce was hard pressed to develop escorts for their new, fast bombers and troop-carrying helicopters (at least they turned the bombers into flying fortresses until escorts were at hand), something that&#039;s obviously  NOT  happening now, not even 26 ( 2  6 ! ) years after the Osprey was first developed, and not expected in the foreseeable future either, and &quot;I&#039;m&quot; the one with the flawed argument? I know what&#039;s your problem: You had something interesting to say, for a change, but you think that in order to shine better you have to make it look as if I was wrong. Basically, you&#039;re a herd animal, a vegetarian, anyone&#039;s puppet. Keep grazing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the poster “Ed!” : </p>
<p>You wrote: “Did you know the UH-1s didn’t have an escort until they created the Gunship version and then finally the AH-1? Did you know the B-17, B-24, and every other bomber we had in the European theater had no escort that could go the distance with them until the P-51 was given a new engine and drop tanks? See how flawed your argument is?” </p>
<p>MY point is moot? You just said yourself that in all these cases the U.S. Airforce was hard pressed to develop escorts for their new, fast bombers and troop-carrying helicopters (at least they turned the bombers into flying fortresses until escorts were at hand), something that’s obviously  NOT  happening now, not even 26 ( 2  6 ! ) years after the Osprey was first developed, and not expected in the foreseeable future either, and “I’m” the one with the flawed argument? I know what’s your problem: You had something interesting to say, for a change, but you think that in order to shine better you have to make it look as if I was wrong. Basically, you’re a herd animal, a vegetarian, anyone’s puppet. Keep grazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed!</title>
		<link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/09/the-osprey-has-landed/#comment-187644</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey FFB,  Did you know that the can opener was designed after the metal can was created?  You know what that means to your argument of not having a fast enough craft to escort the Osprey at their cruising speed is a moot point.   
 
Did you know the UH-1s didn&#039;t have an escort until they created the Gunship version and then finally the AH-1? 
Did you know the B-17, B-24, and every other bomber we had in the European theater had no escort that could go the distance with them until the P-51 was given a new engine and drop tanks?  See how flawed your argument is? 
 
I swear you love to cherry pick your best arguments and throw them into some incoherent rant.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey FFB,  Did you know that the can opener was designed after the metal can was created?  You know what that means to your argument of not having a fast enough craft to escort the Osprey at their cruising speed is a moot point.   </p>
<p>Did you know the UH-1s didn’t have an escort until they created the Gunship version and then finally the AH-1?<br />
Did you know the B-17, B-24, and every other bomber we had in the European theater had no escort that could go the distance with them until the P-51 was given a new engine and drop tanks?  See how flawed your argument is? </p>
<p>I swear you love to cherry pick your best arguments and throw them into some incoherent rant.</p>
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		<title>By: freefallingbomb</title>
		<link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/09/the-osprey-has-landed/#comment-187639</link>
		<dc:creator>freefallingbomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part IV : 
 
 
But you don&#039;t even have a fast COIN plane to escort / keep pace with the Ospreys at their natural speed! That&#039;s not true progress, that&#039;s mental chaos, or worse. Thanks to the Osprey, you don&#039;t have a strong chain with a weak link now: You have a weak chain with one strong link. Smile! 
 
By buying expensive, dysfunctional and perfectly incompatible eccentricities at the behest of fat, greasy, panting, squint-eyed lobbyists, one can clearly perceive the absence of any technically-minded, coherent, integral, long-term weapons acquisition plan for the continuous and synchronous modernization of your Armed Forces, a wrong priority like putting carts in front of oxen! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part IV : </p>
<p>But you don’t even have a fast COIN plane to escort / keep pace with the Ospreys at their natural speed! That’s not true progress, that’s mental chaos, or worse. Thanks to the Osprey, you don’t have a strong chain with a weak link now: You have a weak chain with one strong link. Smile! </p>
<p>By buying expensive, dysfunctional and perfectly incompatible eccentricities at the behest of fat, greasy, panting, squint-eyed lobbyists, one can clearly perceive the absence of any technically-minded, coherent, integral, long-term weapons acquisition plan for the continuous and synchronous modernization of your Armed Forces, a wrong priority like putting carts in front of oxen!</p>
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