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Home » Cyber-warfare » What 60 Minutes Got Right (Thanks to Us)

What 60 Minutes Got Right (Thanks to Us)

Last night Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes looked into how com­put­ers and the Internet can be used as weapons, a topic we have cov­ered here for nearly two years. It was a very good piece. 

The 60 Minutes online and on-​​air cov­er­age dis­cussed mul­ti­ple events (cyber attacks) includ­ing one event in three cities north of Rio de Janeiro that occurred back in January 2005. They reported that in these events, hack­ers were able to pen­e­trate the con­trol sys­tems and manip­u­lated those con­trols for the power grid.


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During the pieces Steve Kroft inter­viewed for­mer Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell who said that he believes it could hap­pen in America. He went on to say that “If I were an attacker and wanted to do strate­gic dam­age to the United States, I would prob­a­bly sack elec­tric power on the U.S. East Coast, maybe the West Coast and attempt to cause a cas­cad­ing effect.” 

McConnell is not the only one with this opinion. Democratic Congressman Jim Langevin of Rhode Island who chaired a sub­com­mit­tee on cyber secu­rity agrees and said that U.S. power com­pa­nies need to be forced to deal with the issue after they told Congress they would take steps to defend their oper­a­tions but did not fol­low up.

Much of the rest of what 60 Minutes said was a rehash of what has already been pub­lished. 
Examples:

  • September 15th, 2008 in the post­ing “Where were you when the lights went out?”
  • November 17th, 2008  in the post­ing “Legal Risks of Cyber Outage”

So what was miss­ing from the 60 Minutes piece? This year I ref­er­enced in sev­eral brief­ings and dur­ing my lec­ture at Harvard a study by the European Parliament — Directorate General for External Policies that was titled “Cyber Security and Politically, Socially and Religiously Motivated Cyber Attacks.” On page 14 of that study in the third para­graph it states the following.

“In 2001, fol­low­ing a dis­pute over dam­age to US and Chinese air­craft in the South China Sea, both coun­tries suf­fered a series of cyber attacks, and at one stage California’s elec­tric­ity grid was almost shut down.”

I won­der if Congressman Langevin knows about that!

Background: Referenced Event: The air­craft inci­dent occurred April 1st, 2001 when a U.S. Navy EP-​​3 sur­veil­lance plane was involved in a midair col­li­sion with fighter air­craft from China. The U.S. recon­nais­sance air­craft was on a rou­tine sur­veil­lance mis­sion and stated they were over inter­na­tional waters.  As you may recall ten­sions between the United States and China became very strained. China dis­puted the loca­tion and said they were in their airspace. The U.S. Navy said their air­craft had sig­nif­i­cant dam­age and required an emer­gency land­ing be made at a Chinese mil­i­tary air­field on the island of Hainan, China.

 
Add the 60 Minutes report­ing together with the EU study and the April 8th, 2009 WSJ story that stated “Cyberspies have pen­e­trated the U.S. elec­tri­cal grid and left behind soft­ware pro­grams that could be used to dis­rupt the sys­tem, accord­ing to cur­rent and for­mer national-​​security officials”  that was pointed out back on September 21st in the DefenseTech –Cyber Warfare blog post­ing.

There’s Concern, but Where’s the Action? What has to hap­pen to get the mil­i­tary, the pri­vate sec­tor and the gov­ern­ment to work together and pro­tect the United States from this grow­ing threat?

– Kevin Coleman

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  1. freefallingbomb says:
    November 9, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    From the arti­cle: “What has to hap­pen to get the mil­i­tary, the pri­vate sec­tor and the gov­ern­ment to work together and pro­tect the United States from this grow­ing threat?” 

    What threat?

    Reply
  2. Oble says:
    November 9, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    Lets go through the snake oil mar­ket­ing checklist: 

    1)conflation of 14 yro hack­ers with a nuclear attack – check
    2)but link every­thing to China by innu­endo and unsub­stan­ti­ated claims because 1) is ludi­crous — check
    3)big note Kevin’s lat­est meet­ings with what­ever bureau­crats he can buy lunch for last week – check
    4)Mention “threat” and “must” and “crit­i­cal” at least 5 times just in case NLP works — check
    5)Make vague ref­er­ences to cyber attacks which would have been really big if only they had actu­ally hap­pened – make sure not to men­tion any details so that they cant be con­firmed — check
    6)Reference a doc­u­ment that Kevin obvi­ously hasn’t had time to read but actu­ally rec­om­mends the exact oppo­site of what Kevin is push­ing for – check
    7)Remind the guys at work that they don’t have a future unless they help out with some shilling. 

    Wouldn’t it be just so much eas­ier if you pointed to a sin­gle loss of life from a sin­gle cyber attack Kevin ? This is sup­posed to be a defense site after all, you know war as opposed to the lat­est in dreary MLM techniques.

    Reply
    • Philo says:
      November 13, 2009 at 3:33 am

      What’s funny is how much peo­ple like you, zan­dor, and bomb seem to dis­agree with/​ hate every­thing that gets posted here, yet you keep com­ing back. 

      Wouldn’t it be just so much eas­ier if you found another Website that’s more to your liking? 

      LOL@Trolls

      Reply
      • Oble says:
        November 13, 2009 at 6:45 am

        It’s the qual­ity of the fan-​​boys that keeps us com­ing back. 

        Just last week I was say­ing to Zandor that “this is noth­ing like a Miley Cyrus con­cert, these peo­ple have gravitas!” 

        He though I as say­ing they were all lard asses liv­ing in their mums base­ment until I explained grav­i­tas to him.

        Reply
  3. Philo says:
    November 9, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Thanks for post­ing the show. I didn’t even know they had done this. Glad I could catch it all here.

    Reply
  4. Kevin says:
    November 9, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Well with all the high level indi­vid­u­als that have now attested to the threat, it is hard to see how any­one can ignore the risks that have been pointed out over and over again. Unfortunately — we all know some will try!!!

    Reply
  5. freefallingbomb says:
    November 9, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    To the poster (or edi­tor?) “Kevin” : 

    You wrote: “Unfortunately — we all know some will try!!!” 

    No they won’t.

    Reply
  6. SpyGuy says:
    November 10, 2009 at 12:21 am

    So I guess these guys know more than the DNI, FBI and the rest of us. 

    Brazilian Blackout Traced to Sooty Insulators, Not Hackers 

    It did not take long for Kevin’s pre­dic­tions to come true

    Reply
  7. Kevin says:
    November 11, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    WOW What a coin­ci­dence — isn’t it? 

    Yesterday Brazilian offi­cials rebuked 60 Minutes and their report that hack­ers caused elec­tri­cal power dis­rup­tion back in 2005 and 2007. Last night Brazil was hit AGAIN by a power Blackout — cause unknown! 

    12:22 GMT, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 

    Brazil black­out

    A power black­out affect­ing large parts of Brazil has left mil­lions of peo­ple stranded as under­ground rail­ways, traf­fic lights, street lights and elec­tric gates were hit.

    Reply
  8. freefallingbomb says:
    November 12, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Part I : 

    To the eagle-​​sharp edi­tor Kevin Coleman: 

    You wrote: “WOW What a coin­ci­dence – isn’t it? Yesterday Brazilian offi­cials rebuked 60 Minutes and their report that hack­ers caused elec­tri­cal power dis­rup­tion back in 2005 and 2007. Last night Brazil was hit AGAIN by a power Blackout — cause unknown!” 

    News update:

    1) The 2016 Olympic Games in Brazil aren’t going to be held at night. 

    2) Hackers, though avid of fame, nor­mally DON’T plan their attacks based on the con­tents of weekly U.S. American fast-​​food TV shows, which are even com­pletely unknown to any­one out­side the U.S.A., except maybe to some cable TV sub­scribers or 5 star hotel guests abroad. 

    (Continued)

    Reply
    • Kevin says:
      November 12, 2009 at 5:54 pm

      WRONG many hack­ers look for peo­ple to state their sys­tems are secu­rity and hack­ers can’t breach their sys­tems. The hack­ers then move on those sys­tems just to prove they can! Been that way for years and sev­eral nation states and extrem­ists oper­ate the same way.

      Reply
      • freefallingbomb says:
        November 13, 2009 at 2:57 am

        So, it took them only half a day ( = the time lapse between watch­ing “60 Minutes” and shut­ting down the biggest power dam in the World) to fig­ure out how to do it? 

        And short of being fans of “60 Minutes”, they had no spe­cial motivation? 

        They must be pretty angry at Saint Peter for hav­ing sent a trop­i­cal storm in that pre­cise moment to that pre­cise spot, which casts slight doubts now over their claims…

        Reply
        • Spyguy says:
          November 14, 2009 at 1:45 am

          Ever heard of pre­plan­ning. The U.S. found code in our infra­struc­ture that could have been used to dis­rupt our sys­tem. We removed it!

          Reply
  9. freefallingbomb says:
    November 12, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    Part II : 

    3) The Itaipu dam IS the largest oper­a­tional hydro­elec­tric power plant in the world. Its only prob­lem: Its geo­graph­i­cal loca­tion, so far to the South that the water reser­voir even enters Paraguay and affects Argentina too. That pharaonic dam needs to trans­port its 14.000 MW ( = the equiv­a­lent of burn­ing 434.000 bar­rels /​ 69.000 m3 of oil /​ an ultra-​​large tanker every sin­gle day) across thou­sands of kilo­me­ters of empty land­scape. During trop­i­cal storms, prob­lems CAN hap­pen to any of the lines… 

    (Continued)

    Reply
  10. freefallingbomb says:
    November 12, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    Part III : 

    And if it’s safety dur­ing black-​​outs you’re wor­ried about: 

    4) Brazil has no ter­ror­ists, not since the 70’s. Terrorists don’t oper­ate on elec­tric­ity in their sock­ets either.
    5) Brazil can eas­ily pour another 40.000 troops into Rio, like they did dur­ing the 1992 Earth Summit. Rio’s streets were EMPTY dur­ing that sum­mit, emp­tier than those of Tchernobyl!
    Not that they truly needed to increase the num­ber of secu­rity per­son­nell: Actually, the old­est and biggest chal­lenge to Brazil’s Police is show­ing min­i­mal self-​​restraint, not to look as mur­der­ous in the news­pa­per as the thugs themselves. 

    (Continued)

    Reply
    • Kevin says:
      November 12, 2009 at 5:55 pm

      Brazil has no ter­ror­ists. How can any­one make that statement?

      Reply
      • freefallingbomb says:
        November 13, 2009 at 3:28 am

        Part I : 

        Not one. Name them, or their groups, or their vic­tims, NAME JUST ANYTHING to back this truly igno­rant claim! 

        Or ask the poster “Vitor”, a(nother) Brazilian on the newer thread about the same topic, Christian Lowe’s “Brazil’s Blackout Soot or Cyber?” arti­cle, if you don’t believe ME . I’m French, but I spent most of my life there – and most of my fam­ily still lives there! Muggers yes, bur­glars yes (we shot quite a few there), and every Brazilian is cor­rupt like a pig too, but ter­ror­ists… NO !!! 99 % of all Brazilian crim­i­nals are even too prim­i­tive to use rifles with or with­out scopes for their assas­si­na­tions, can you imag­ine that? I believe that they’re also too drugged to use auto­matic weapons prop­erly! Which makes them not less lethal, even in broad pub­lic and in front of C.C.TV’s. Imagine for exam­ple that you’re a hon­est but indebted hotel recep­tion­ist, and your inter­ests are over­due to a loan shark. That’s what hap­pens to you, in front of all clients, “live” on TV : 

        (Continued)

        Reply
      • freefallingbomb says:
        November 13, 2009 at 3:30 am

        Part II : 

        http://​www​.youtube​.com/​w​a​t​c​h​?​v​=​M​w​V​v​M​E​v​e​Phg
        (56 sec­onds long video) 

        But that’s got noth­ing to do with “ter­ror­ism” and “cyber-​​war” and “60 Minutes” etc., that’s just what you get when you mix so many races that the genes, while recom­bin­ing, find no more com­mon traits to form another human being… Brazilians don’t even have any rad­i­cal par­ties, dis­crim­i­nated minori­ties or fun­da­men­tal­is­tic cler­ics etc., just lots of crazy U.S. American sects! So, next time when you digress about a coun­try you know noth­ing about, try not to describe it through the impov­er­ish­ing prism of the U.S.A. and its “G.W.O.T.” .

        Reply
  11. freefallingbomb says:
    November 12, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Part IV : 

    Brazilian Police offi­cer shoot­ing two sus­pects on a motor-​​bike, in the mid­dle of a city and in bright sun­light, after one of them resisted arrest and tried to grab a hid­den gun: 

    http://​www​.youtube​.com/​w​a​t​c​h​?​v​=​E​s​E​E​J​N​Y​M​oX0
    (58 sec­onds long video. Slide for­ward to the 16th second) 

    My kudos to him! I would take my hat off for him, if I ever met him! May they all treat every darkie scum-​​bag in shoot­ing range the way he does!!! 

    But he’s far from alone: In the past 11 years, more than 10.000 (!!!) crim­i­nals have been shot by the Police IN RIO DE JANEIRO ALONE , accord­ing to a study pub­lished last Monday. 

    http://​www​.javno​.com/​e​n​-​w​o​r​l​d​/​r​i​o​-​p​o​l​i​c​e​-​k​i​l​l​e​d-1...

    Not even the U.S. Police is that pro­duc­tive, even so many tar­gets around! Until the recent past, Brazilian police­men even got a well-​​deserved money reward for every crim­i­nal they sim­ply shot where he stood! What else can you do for Justice?

    Reply
  12. Brian B says:
    November 13, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    The 60 Minutes piece was good, but a bit alarmist. Yes Admiral McConnell is cor­rect we are vul­ner­a­ble in cyber-​​space, but so is every indus­tri­al­ized nation. Yes Hackers are prob­ing the crit­i­cal infra­struc­ture, prob­a­bly even some on the pay­rolls of other coun­tries. Rep Langevin is con­cerned with the secu­rity of the infra­struc­ture, but also he he is pissed off because the util­i­ties called before his com­mit­tee “lied” to him. He said in the video, and then says he wants to change the sys­tem so they will be account­able to the gov­ern­ment. He has the power com­pa­nies in his sights. 

    Kevin needs to stop ask­ing when some­thing is going to be doen and start real­iz­ing noth­ing in a bureau­cracy hap­pens overnight. DHS just opened its National Cyber Center on 30 October. Cyber Command is mov­ing from intial oper­at­ing capa­bil­ity to full capa­bil­ity as we speak. 

    Action is being taken, sorry if it isn’t fast enough for you.

    Reply
    • Kevin says:
      November 13, 2009 at 7:22 pm

      I will not stop ask­ing and push­ing until the pri­vate sec­tor that owns 85% of the crit­i­cal infra­struc­ture is man­dated to secure it. While there is move­ment in DHS and DoD the pri­vate sec­tor is all but at a standstill.

      Reply

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