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> <channel><title>Comments on: VTOL JSF Arrives at Pax River</title> <atom:link href="http://defensetech.org/2009/11/17/vtol-jsf-arrives-at-pax-river/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/17/vtol-jsf-arrives-at-pax-river/</link> <description>The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:45:23 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: oisin</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/17/vtol-jsf-arrives-at-pax-river/comment-page-1/#comment-190270</link> <dc:creator>oisin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:53:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5013#comment-190270</guid> <description>What the Marines need is a (preferably 2 seat) A10. Not sexy.Not terrifically expensive. Just ugly and effective. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the Marines need is a (preferably 2 seat) A10. Not sexy.Not terrifically expensive. Just ugly and effective.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: batvette</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/17/vtol-jsf-arrives-at-pax-river/comment-page-1/#comment-189026</link> <dc:creator>batvette</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:15:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5013#comment-189026</guid> <description>Not sure what point you&#039;re arguing by fixating on the long term euro vs dollar relationship... I only mentioned the euro because I believe our actions there were partially to head off a threat to dollar hegemony on world petroleum sales. Against most world currencies- the Rupee, the Canadian dollar, the Yen, the Yuan since China stopped pegging it in 2005- the dollar has slid substantially in recent years. Would we look at the unit cost or development cost of the f-4, f-14, etc,to the JSF? What I was offering is that it&#039;s been nearly a decade between the two programs and a lot has happened to the financial situation that isn&#039;t apparant because they have to downplay it to keep it from happening faster. I think 2009 dollars are not the same as 1999 dollars and it&#039;s a lot different than simple inflationary adjustments in the past. In any case I doubt it would save money to walk away now and start somewhere else from scratch. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure what point you’re arguing by fixating on the long term euro vs dollar relationship… I only mentioned the euro because I believe our actions there were partially to head off a threat to dollar hegemony on world petroleum sales. Against most world currencies– the Rupee, the Canadian dollar, the Yen, the Yuan since China stopped pegging it in 2005– the dollar has slid substantially in recent years. Would we look at the unit cost or development cost of the f-4, f-14, etc,to the JSF? What I was offering is that it’s been nearly a decade between the two programs and a lot has happened to the financial situation that isn’t apparant because they have to downplay it to keep it from happening faster. I think 2009 dollars are not the same as 1999 dollars and it’s a lot different than simple inflationary adjustments in the past. In any case I doubt it would save money to walk away now and start somewhere else from scratch.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: batvette</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/17/vtol-jsf-arrives-at-pax-river/comment-page-1/#comment-189017</link> <dc:creator>batvette</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:05:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5013#comment-189017</guid> <description>you know asbestos in most applications is perfectly safe. Most of the badly afflicted were old school brake maechanics and the bulk of them were smokers even. They&#039;d blow out brake drums with compressed air a dozen times a day, and smoke as many or more cigarettes. You think that would give them lung cancer? huh? Trial lawyers actually played down that aspect greatly so the jury would identify with the victims- the old &quot;it could happen to you just as easily&quot; mentality. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know asbestos in most applications is perfectly safe. Most of the badly afflicted were old school brake maechanics and the bulk of them were smokers even. They’d blow out brake drums with compressed air a dozen times a day, and smoke as many or more cigarettes. You think that would give them lung cancer? huh? Trial lawyers actually played down that aspect greatly so the jury would identify with the victims– the old “it could happen to you just as easily” mentality.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: batvette</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/17/vtol-jsf-arrives-at-pax-river/comment-page-1/#comment-189012</link> <dc:creator>batvette</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:27:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5013#comment-189012</guid> <description>i&#039;m pretty sure a lot of that stuff went on right under my nose but as I wasn&#039;t looking for it.......re: the trash incident- you, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i’m pretty sure a lot of that stuff went on right under my nose but as I wasn’t looking for it.……re: the trash incident– you, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jake</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/17/vtol-jsf-arrives-at-pax-river/comment-page-1/#comment-188843</link> <dc:creator>jake</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:20:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5013#comment-188843</guid> <description>take a few material and processes classes in college and then you just might be able to understand that there are many different kinds of composites. and also get your mind around strength and hardness and brittleness. if its that hard, then it is dense, and if it is that hard then it is brittle. supporting the weight of an aircraft would take something flexible. it will be solved easily but dont think that yoou can just assume all ceramics are good heat insulators </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>take a few material and processes classes in college and then you just might be able to understand that there are many different kinds of composites. and also get your mind around strength and hardness and brittleness. if its that hard, then it is dense, and if it is that hard then it is brittle. supporting the weight of an aircraft would take something flexible. it will be solved easily but dont think that yoou can just assume all ceramics are good heat insulators</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jake</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/17/vtol-jsf-arrives-at-pax-river/comment-page-1/#comment-188841</link> <dc:creator>jake</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:10:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5013#comment-188841</guid> <description>at airshows. thats about it. it is the landing where the vtol capability comes into play </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at airshows. thats about it. it is the landing where the vtol capability comes into play</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JimboJones</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/17/vtol-jsf-arrives-at-pax-river/comment-page-1/#comment-188813</link> <dc:creator>JimboJones</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:03:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5013#comment-188813</guid> <description>The F-117&#039;s being in mothballs with the wings taken off might be a hinderance to that plan...  There were only 59 (I think) of them too and airframe life must be high. If you mean a new build version, well that would have been nice a few decades back but today would not cut it in a modern threat environment. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The F-117’s being in mothballs with the wings taken off might be a hinderance to that plan…  There were only 59 (I think) of them too and airframe life must be high. If you mean a new build version, well that would have been nice a few decades back but today would not cut it in a modern threat environment.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: nighthawk</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/17/vtol-jsf-arrives-at-pax-river/comment-page-1/#comment-188798</link> <dc:creator>nighthawk</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:47:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5013#comment-188798</guid> <description>Why not get the F-117 ready.  I haven&#039;t heard anything negative about them?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not get the F-117 ready.  I haven’t heard anything negative about them?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: freefallingbomb</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/17/vtol-jsf-arrives-at-pax-river/comment-page-1/#comment-188714</link> <dc:creator>freefallingbomb</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:15:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5013#comment-188714</guid> <description>Part II :
* USMC attempts to make a single seat (no dual seat F-35B&#039;s are even planned as I understand it - modern sims negate the need) F-35B into the electronic attack/warfare role to replace USMC EA-6B&#039;s (compared to USN EA-18G&#039;s) will prove fruitless and overly ridiculous prices
* USMC F-35B&#039;s cannot replace the USMC F/A-18D FAC(A) role and and it&#039;s two manned crew like the F/A-18F could
* RN F-35B&#039;s operating off a brand new British carrier (down to just one now it appears) with a ski jump will be a waste when they could have bought less expensive/more capable F-35C&#039;s and just installed catapults in their new carrier from the onset
* the last time the DOD went all in on a single airframe (F-4 Phantom) for the USAF, USN, and USMC it went so well that all three broke from the concept as soon as they could and designed and procured the F-15 Eagle, F-14 Tomcat, and F/A-18 Hornet
Dare I say - the Joint Suck Fighter?&quot; </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part II :</p><p>* USMC attempts to make a single seat (no dual seat F-35B’s are even planned as I understand it — modern sims negate the need) F-35B into the electronic attack/warfare role to replace USMC EA-6B’s (compared to USN EA-18G’s) will prove fruitless and overly ridiculous prices</p><p>* USMC F-35B’s cannot replace the USMC F/A-18D FAC(A) role and and it’s two manned crew like the F/A-18F could</p><p>* RN F-35B’s operating off a brand new British carrier (down to just one now it appears) with a ski jump will be a waste when they could have bought less expensive/more capable F-35C’s and just installed catapults in their new carrier from the onset</p><p>* the last time the DOD went all in on a single airframe (F-4 Phantom) for the USAF, USN, and USMC it went so well that all three broke from the concept as soon as they could and designed and procured the F-15 Eagle, F-14 Tomcat, and F/A-18 Hornet</p><p>Dare I say — the Joint Suck Fighter?”</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: freefallingbomb</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/11/17/vtol-jsf-arrives-at-pax-river/comment-page-1/#comment-188713</link> <dc:creator>freefallingbomb</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:14:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5013#comment-188713</guid> <description>Part I :
I think we&#039;re not the only ones on the Internet discussing all &quot;positive and&quot; negative aspects of the F-35 : I found these few, but well-informed and well-presented criticisms about the F-35 here on another Web-site and would like to share them with you:
&quot;Things that I do know:
* $135m F-35A&#039;s will not be able to replace 4,400 F-16&#039;s as of present that have been built, not when new F-16E/F&#039;s can still be had for around $50m and come with AESA and a GE F110-132 with 32.5k pounds of thrust
* the F-35A will not be able to replace the A-10 and it&#039;s Gatling gun/turbine engines in the CAS role
* USMC F-35B&#039;s replacing USMC F/A-18C&#039;s operating off of USN CVN&#039;s at higher costs/lower capabilities compared to the USN&#039;s F-35C&#039;s at less cost/greater capabilities will prove fruitless
(Continued) </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part I :</p><p>I think we’re not the only ones on the Internet discussing all “positive and” negative aspects of the F-35 : I found these few, but well-informed and well-presented criticisms about the F-35 here on another Web-site and would like to share them with you:</p><p>“Things that I do know:</p><p>* $135m F-35A’s will not be able to replace 4,400 F-16’s as of present that have been built, not when new F-16E/F’s can still be had for around $50m and come with AESA and a GE F110-132 with 32.5k pounds of thrust</p><p>* the F-35A will not be able to replace the A-10 and it’s Gatling gun/turbine engines in the CAS role</p><p>* USMC F-35B’s replacing USMC F/A-18C’s operating off of USN CVN’s at higher costs/lower capabilities compared to the USN’s F-35C’s at less cost/greater capabilities will prove fruitless</p><p>(Continued)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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