Comments on: French SCARs?

By: try

try — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:26:13 +0000

Turkish troops prefer 7.62 G3 over 5.56 HK33.One of soldiers says that “In the mountain PKK terorists use dogs for alarming purpose.We need to kill that dog.I shoot six 5.56 round to that dog with my HK33 at close range.The dog still alive.We got mad.7.62 G3 still best”

By: john

john — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:50:54 +0000

The truth is that every regiment shoots an average 500 000 bullets in trainings before going to Afghanistan (800 000 for alpine hunters before deployement last and present winter). Where did your friend joined the frenchies?

By: Ryan

Ryan — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:37:14 +0000

Dear Zandor

I think you are missing my point, which was that the 7.62mm (referring to 7.62x51 NATO) is not as velocity dependant as the 5.56mm is. As it does not fragment like the 5.56mm does.

Other than greater penetration at closer ranges, the 7.62mm will still effectively yaw 180 degrees in soft tissue at 600m. I did, at one point, have photos of ballistic Gelatin blocks that were fired at out to 600m to show the effects of 3 different cartages 7.62x51, 7.62x39, and the 5.56x45.

All 3 cartages were FMJ only.

Have you any evidence to disprove my statement?

I bet you don’t.

By: Zandor

Zandor — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:34:14 +0000

Dear Big Daddy;

Just how many men have you shot at?
How many men have you hit?
How many men have you killed?

Answers the above questions.

0.
0.
0.

By: Zandor

Zandor — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:26:08 +0000

Dear Big Daddy;

Enemy soldiers in combat, contrary to all the movies you have watched, are not on drugs, nor are they chained to their machine guns.

Anymore than US soldiers are on drugs, and chained to their machine guns.

Combat involves lots of movement. Chained soldiers are not very mobile.

The entire story is an ” urban legend “.

What you are regurgitating is propaganda that you swallowed when you were a child.

Ciao,
Zandor

By: panfisher

panfisher — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:01:47 +0000

The muzzle velocity is about 3200 FPS. With the new propellants available probably more. The 7mm by 57mm was about 2700 fps with a 130 grain hornady boat tail spitzer bullet, with 4831 hodgen powder and would print one on top of the other at 100 metres. Old design but been very succesful and copied from necked down 06’s to a lot of weatherby calibers.

By: Big Daddy

Big Daddy — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:59:51 +0000

A man is tough to kill too. If he is on drugs and his adrenaline is going he will take a lot of rounds before he goes down.

If he’s screaming and yelling while shooting at you unless you make a head shot or hit some ganglia of nerves he might get close enough to even stick you with a bayonet or throw a grenade.

So I think the comparison is very good. Talk to anybody who has been in combat or law enforcement and ask them if they ever killed anybody with one shot that was in an agitated state. Yes maybe with an M-14 or Garand or a head shot, maybe center mass and a direct hit in the heart.

By: panfisher

panfisher — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:55:10 +0000

The 7mm is about .274 or .280. and with a good flash suppresing mussle brake. And a shock suppressor stock. Light, accurate, built on a titanium alloy M14 action, wow.

By: Panfisher

Panfisher — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:48:21 +0000

All things told about the venerable 22/223/5.56 projectile. In ideal conditions on the farm, asingle shot in the eye on a deer grazing would put him to sleep right then with no chase. A kill with a 30–30 he would run for approximately 3 seconds, at 40 plus miles per hour sprint until he ran out of blood for his pump to circulate. It would be a long tracking job to recover the meat. The 7mm by 57mm was a good deer gun with a 130 grain boat tail bullet. Good range and good ballistic co-efficient for average 100 to 300 metre distance. Deffinitely a man killer a that range.

By: Zandor

Zandor — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:39:33 +0000

Dear Jace;

A deer is far tougher to kill than is a human.

So please do not confuse ball bearings with grapes.