My ears perked up at this line last night in the president’s speech about Afghanistan. It’s one sentence that has potentially huge implications:
This is no idle danger; no hypothetical threat. In the last few months alone, we have apprehended extremists within our borders who were sent here from the border region of Afghanistan and Pakistan to commit new acts of terror.
Has anyone heard about these apprehensions? Who are the perpetrators and what were they planning? This is explosive news. Am I just missing something?
Surely this is not a reference to the Somali gangs rounded up here and in Canada. “Last few months,” “within our borders,” “sent here … to commit acts of terror.”
Whoa. I’ll do some digging but if any readers have some insight into this please let me know.
– Christian
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Im a new reader, look for the page 10 stories that seem to stay in the public eye for only ten minute or so, I remember reading that several weeks ago in and around northern illinois there were raids on "islamic businesses". The main one I remember was a meat processing plant for muslim kosher foods for Chicago. No arrest were reported but when NSA FBI and Homeland Security roll into a small 300 person town for 5 guys they're doing it on intel from somewhere.
your right about that i used to be in the navy and thats exactly how its done.
Najibullah Zazi, the CO man arrested this fall on suspicion of plotting an attack in NYC, is reported to have traveled to al-Qaeda training camps on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border during a trip to Pakistan in 2008.
Also, David Coleman Headley and Tahawwur Hussain Rana, two Chicago men, were arrested on suspicion of plotting to attack the offices of Jyllands Posten, the Dutch newspaper which printed the inflammatory Mohammed cartoons. Their indictment alleges they met with a senior al-Qaeda commander, Ilyas Kashmiri, during a trip to Pakistan. Their plot concerned Denmark and not the U.S.
"Sent here" seems to imply a non-citizen dispatched to infiltrate the United States, though it could just as well have been intended to mean "sent back here." Sent, also, does not necessarily mean "arrived" — it could apply to thwarted efforts heretofore unpublicized.
"……Jyllands Posten, the Dutch newspaper which printed the inflammatory Mohammed cartoons."
That's the DANISH newspaper Jyllands Posten, if you don't mind (scowls).
Regards & all,
Thomas L. Nielsen
Denmark (presently Luxembourg)
Yes, quite. Mixed up my European Ds for a moment there. Many thanks.
Yerwelcome :-)
Thomas L. Nielsen
Denmark (presently Luxembourg)
O said apprehended within our borders.
On Saturday the 21st of November, around three o’clock in the afternoon there was an investigation started at Fort Benning, Georgia it really wasn’t much just a box of 20 hollow point bullets, with a note, “The note said ‘tell the commanding general to call off all charges or there will be a re-enactment of Fort Hood,’ ” Now I know, that the president really did not like dealing with the Fort Hood massacre and that he would really prefer not to be bothered with any of this war stuff. But what about the rest of the media, The AJC was the only media who bothered to mention it… Now it could be absolutely nothing, just someone trying to keep things stirred up, or it could be a warning, a warning that any family member of a service person expects to have taken seriously. ____
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8318708.stm
Duh
reality test is we are well -entrenched with those engaged in inter-border terrorist activities..have been well-camouflaged as americans for long term & not necessarily 'muslim.' you guys are kept distracted by doing all our fighting overseas & supporting your families so you haven't been here to hear or see what they r actually doing.
Miss Anderson, are you saying that you are an entrenched terrorist, who is well camoflaged as an American?
Yes, terror is not limited to Islamic extremist. Remeber there are such things as Christian, Environmental, and Anarchy terror groups. Take the "Earth Liberation Front" attacks in the Northwest. Or the G20 protests in Pittsburg, those weren't excatly peaceful.
You have to search far and wide to find christian terrorism whereas Islamic terrorism is everywhere. Even in my quiet English town theres been Muslims chanting about killing and subduing non-muslims. I havent heard that from any other religion but Islam.
Stop talking rubbish. If there is such a thing as christian terrorism its not even a single percentage of what goes in the name of islam. Dont even try blaming the crusades on christian ideology when it was muslims themselves who provoked a response. Muslims were at war since islams conception. The crusades had a christian theme only because europe was majority christian. Some scholar you are.
The Pope ordered the first crusade, by the way.
"You have to search far and wide to find christian terrorism.."
Ever heard of Ireland Mr. quiet English town? That's not very far from you.
Our biggest threat, hands down now, is the "Muslim" terror groups. We are facing a determined enemy that bases its cause on "religious" teachings. They believe that the US and Israel are infidels that must be extrerminated to fulfill their faith.
This is a very dangerous enemy, and we have not responded as we should in fear of angering other Muslim nations. We have fought this war with both hands behind our back to appease Allied Muslim nations that behind the scenes hold to the same teachings of the extremists. Until there is a major shift in their belief system, we will be fighting this war for a very long time…
It is not allies we tie our hands for, but our own morals. "human rights" are our religion. We couldn't live with ourselves if we slaughtered people to the level that our art of war enables us. Yet that's what all empires have done over human history.
Regretably our morals (which this post neither praises nor condemns are also our greatest weakness. The modern West lacks the intestinal fortitude for empire.
Oh. Also, NO religion vouches for peace or violence. The leader of these religions is not actually on this realm *if he exists*. Christians, Muslims, Jews, all do according to their individual wants and interpretations of a 100th edition text.
A great example is the Lord's Resistance Army, in Uganda. A christian terror group who fights to instaure a christian theocracy. So are they terrorists or freedom fighters? They are fighting for liberation from a tyrant, but want to impose something more frightening. Also, they got some war-bling from Khartoum, so they implemented muslim tenets in their doctrine.
No political group can ever hope to speak for a divine concept. The idea is way over the line of false idolatry.
Many attrocoties have been commited in "The name of Christ" over the centuries. These have been commited by a twisting of the truth to cover up greed and ignorance. The Native American Indians were forced with conversion to Christianity or faced slaughter. Crusaders when they retook Jerusalem slaughtered Jews along with Muslims to "cleanse" the Holy Land.
These acts are attrocoties and are not commended in the Bible at all. Any Christian should know that Jerusalem belongs to the Jews, and that they are the elect of God. People twist the truth to their own gain.
But, the Muslim scriptures tell them to kill and destroy Jew and Christian. It tells them to take their posessions and make war against them and enslave them. This IS in their scriptures and it is what we call "extremists" are actually doing…
I don't disagree actually. I just meant that all of these groups do it "in the name of", but ironically can't possibly come close to "representing".
But yes, in the sense that religion is an earthly organization, such as catholicism or muslim "sects" (for lack of a better word in my vocabulary), we have to face the belligerence of their words and deeds.
A prescient clue, in my eyes, was the ridiculous reaction to the dutch cartoon some time ago. Or how islamic flag burning has been turned into a national sport (if we believe CNN and BBC). It just seems like, bluntly, nothing but Islam is sacred to these people.
In the meantime we protect their human rights more than our nationally prescribed citizen rights. I'm in Canada, and I am PISSED that some douchebags get to wear their daggers in our schools because they're religious artifacts, but my kid would be expulsed for less.
Oh yeah, and the next time I see a CF soldier or RCMP officer that "chooses" his turban over his unit headdress, im gonna flip.
not all muslims are terrorist. but almost all terrorists are muslim.
well.. that being said. islamic terrorism isn't the biggest theat facing the west from that front. it's the demographics.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/a…
The Canada and US hasn't felt this yet. But Europe certainly has. And will continue to do so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEXWjlgJ83E
A "Christian" terror group? Please. Considering terrorism is against the very tenants of the Christian religion, I would have to say you're talking out of your ass.
Terrorism is against the tenants of Islam as well.
There has been Christian and Jewish terrorism in America for decades. Ever heard of the "Jewish Defense League"? How about the KKK?
Yes terrorism is against the very tenants of Christian religion, so is war and violence, yet I recall this period where there seemed to have been a quite a few wars made in the name of Christ. Ever hear of Anti-Abortionist? They are against abortions because of their Christian faith. Remember when they blew up clinics and killed doctors to stop abortions? Thats called terrorism. Spare us the whole 'it said so in the Bible' stuff. Christians can be terrorist too. They're often called by a different more uplifting and cool name…Freedom Fighters.
Actually several groups were classified as "terrorist" or "extremist" groups by Homeland Security which among militia's and gun rights activist included some fundamentalist Christian groups. HS came under fire for including such a broad range of groups whose only crime was flexing their constitutional rights but one must consider how little of a stretch it would take before fundamentalist groups which have been known to commit hate crimes, commit crimes that could be classified as terrorist acts. Terror is a broad term, and a scary one to me for the fact that anyone can be deemed a terrorist if their government so sees it fit. Remember our nation was founded by a group of terrorist. King George's words, not mine.
See that where we would use the uplifting and cool name to describe those who founded this nation. You only refer to people you distrust and are at war with as terrorists.
LMAO. I love it.
I'll Specify:
I tend to prefer to only call a cause terrorism if its tenants allow for the indiscriminate murder of men, women and children with the only purpose of striking fear into the civilian populace. IE suicide bombers, Bin Laden, and Tim McVeigh. People who fight for their nations freedoms, or fight an asymmetric war because their enemy is far superior in combat tactics or ability I call freedom fighters.
But the latter can have a grey area, as all military operations do.
History written by the victors and the like.
You're full of it. Terror against the infidels is the very basic tenant of Islam. In the west, we're not as stupid as you think. Taqqiya doesn't work with the informed.
Sorry to spoil your statistics; App. half of the violent acts committed by terrorists groups have nothing to do with Islam. Basque nationalists, their Corsican equivalents, Maoists in India – the list goes on.
Even many Moslem terrorist organisations often do their dirty deeds for political rather religious reasons, like those intent on fighting for a Palestinean state and wiping Israel off the map.
Fine, I propose a corollary:
Most of the spectacular "kaboom" terror acts that get reported, are caused by Islamic groups. I am sure that the Colombian drug dealers in the '90s did more, or the various death squads in Africa that never make the news.
War and violence are not against the tenants of Christianity. Ever hear of St. Augustine's treatise of a "just war"? Your twisting of a faith you have no clue about is typical but not surprising.
Anti-abortionsts who kill abortionists because of their Christian faith? Oh, brother. You're grasping at straws. And did you see how the Christians danced in the streets after the abortionist was murdered like the Muslims danced in the streets after 9/11? See the fiery sermons where the preachers command their flocks to kill the abortionists like the imams command their followers to kill the sons of monkeys and pigs?
A Christian murdered his wife the other day because he caught her cheating on him; guess he was a "Christian terrorist" trying to terrorize all those adulterers in society.
You have this perverse idea that if a violent act is done by a Christian or under the auspices of Christianity, then the act is supported by Christianity and is inherently Christian in origin. A true example of philosophical masturbation.
Let me make this simple for you: Christianity forbids terrorism, Islam commands it.
I would love to live in your little world where Christians are the bad guys.
Oh please, who cares whether or not the scripture "supports" acts of violence made in the name of Christianity? The fact of the matter is that Christians have committed abhorrent acts of violence in the name of their faith, and that's it. I don't care if the Quran and Hadiths directly incite violence, if people can use Christianity to justify violence then the effect is the same. No one is saying that any act of violence committed by a Christian is inherently the fault of Christianity, but it is absolutely true that acts of violence made in the name of the faith are because of the faith. Islam, Judaism, Christianity, and many other faiths are all guilty of inciting violence and promoting backwardness, whether you like it or not. If performing some mental acrobatics makes you feel better about the faith mommy and daddy told you to believe in, by all means go ahead.
"In the West"? Dude, I've lived in Georgia and Tennessee for 23 years. Have you even studied Islam? Stop listening to what Rush Limbaugh says about Islam, and actually study it for yourself.
Have you forgotten about The Troubles? Protestant and Catholic TERROR groups killing each other, British army and police, as well as innocent Britons and Irish civilians.
Please, Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all teach the exact same things. All of the moral lessons are exactly the same, they just have a different primary messenger. You probably didn't even know that suicide bombing, one of the primary tools of terrorism, was invented by a JEWISH group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foiled_terro…
http://www.heritage.org/Research/HomelandSecurity…
"Terrorism is also against the very tenants of Islam as well."
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"Please, Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all teach the exact same things."
This is the very reason why we're in trouble. Ignorance amplified by arrogance. Try being informed rather than just opinionated.
Let's see. Could you please find me one passage in the New Testament where Christians are commanded to harm, terrorize, or otherwise harass non-believers? You're obviously a religious scholar with your broad and confident assertions, so you should be able to come up with one.
As for Islam, let's try a couple of these:
Surah 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. "
Surah 9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Surah 8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [i.e.non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone."
Surah 2:193 "Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers."
Surah 61:4 "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause."
Surah 4: 104 "And do not relent in pursuing the enemy."
Oh, and these are just the beginning. The real gems are in the Hadiths. All those wonderful quotes of beheading and butchering the infidels, rocks and trees crying out that Jews are behind them so come and kill the Jew. Yeah, I can see all those equivalents in the Christian Bible. Yup. Jesus was just commanding all his followers to butcher the unbelievers until they were all dead or believed, right?
God help us. If you represent the majority of Americans we're doomed.
There's a large number of terror related activities that can and do go on within US and other territorial borders. These include, but are not limited to, covert fundraising, observation and reconaissance using well established and, in some cases, prominent and well funded 'front' businesses, bank robberies and end-of-pipeline drug trafficking (fundraising again), purchase of illicit arms and equipment and associated manuals and so on. Especially in the case of terrorist organisations with large non-state actor and/or rogue state support, financial, logistic and intelligence support (all, by the by, much cruder than what we commonly associate those tags with, but effective nonetheless) tend to be run from clandestine outposts within target countries.
Oops. That was not meant to go here. My guess is whatever Obama referenced is classified or exaggerated.
How about in the old testament where "God" tells the Israelites to clear the land of all inhabitants? Why are you nitpicking to only the New Testament? You have to take the Bible as a whole. And if you count the hadiths, you have to count all the declarations of the popes who told people to go into the Middle East and kill every Muslim they could find, women and children alike. Oh, and when Crusaders did capture cities, they killed everyone, Muslim Christian or Jew, man woman or children.
But hey, you wanted Bible verses, here they are:
I will give to the LORD the first thing coming out of my house to greet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering." (Judges 11:29-40 NLT).
"On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you." (Kings 13:1-2 NLT).
Judges 21:10-24 NLT
Numbers 31:7-18 NLT
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NA)
Where are you getting your translations anyway? Surah 61:4, I would assume, is a reference to jihad. Jihad means "struggle" or "strife". The true meaning of this, not the literal translation, is to strive to convert others to Islam, to spread the religion. Most of the references to battle, well, have you seen how often Christian ideology references war?
And how do you argue that they do not teach the same things when all 3 religions have the same stories, the same prophets, and the same god?
Terrorism is also against the very tenants of Islam as well. That hasn't stopped them. I am sorry to say this, but if anyone is talking out of their ass, it is you.
sorry to nitpick, but the word is "tenets". just thought you might like to know :)
"Why are you nitpicking to only the New Testament? You have to take the Bible as a whole."
-Nitpicking to only the New Testament? Oh, gee, I don't know, maybe it's because it's called the New Covenant, i.e. the New Contract or Agreement which Christians live under. Counter to Islamic abrogation, Jesus said I've come not to abolish the law (Old Testament) but to fulfill it. The Old Testament or Contract was completed or fulfilled by Jesus' sacrifice and Christians now live under the New Covenant. The Old Testament is there for reference, guidance and history, but Christians do not live under the Old Testament or covenant.
"And if you count the hadiths, you have to count all the declarations of the Popes.."
-Huh? That's the most bizarre equivocation I've ever heard. The Koran points believers to the Hadiths and commands them to treat them as canon, which Muslims happily do; it's in the very fabric of their faith. But I've never seen anything in the Bible pointing anyone to the Roman Catholic church or its popes as an authority. So much for equivalency.
"Most of the references to battle, well, have you seen how often Christian ideology references war?"
-Please enlighten me where the "Christian ideology" references war.
"And how do you argue that they do not teach the same things when all 3 religions have the same stories, the same prophets, and the same god?"
-Christianity is the conclusion of Judaism's promises, so the God, the stories, and the prophets of both are the same. Islam is a perversion of the Judeo-Christian faith (Muhammed claimed the religious texts of the Jews and Christians were corrupted); the God worshipped by Muslims is diametrically opposite the Judeo-Christian god.
-Finally, let me ask you these simple questions. If the Pope declares something or a Crusader does something that goes against the teaching of the New Testament, do you think that declaration or action is somehow Christian in nature? Or do you think a Christian would consider it sinful and wrong? Do the Islamic holy books condone terror against non-believers? Does the Christian holy book condone terror? If so, show me where.
I was also going to say not all sects recognize the pope. The Catholics have the pope, eastern orthodox has someone else and the Church of England, still another person. So pinning stuff on "the pope" won't go far.
There is nothing in the original New Testament as a codified document obligating Christians to go kill Muslims. I am sure many religious philosophers had things to say, but you are free to agree/disagree with people; but the "word of god" is something else entirely.
Bring out Islam, where it's basically the old testament. Not until the equivalent of a new guy and his apostles come around and write a "new testament" for al-qu'ran can we say that the Qu'ran espouses EQUALITY /and/ peace for all mankind. Instead, it emphasizes peace as long as we all SUBMIT to Islam.
I totally agree that in the 14th century and stuff both religions were functionally equivalent and drenched themselves in blood. I won't spin that part of history.
However, Christian nations generally do not do what they used to do a long time ago. The Europe of the Crusades is now borderline atheist while the Middle East is still ready to pursue vengeance against something or something, like Israel, and because of American aid, America as well. And then because of America's various allies, a whole lot of other countries are on the "kill list".
The Christian Bible is not only the New Testament, it is the Old Testament as well. i cannot even count the number of times I've been to church and seen the preacher refer to books in the Old Testament. You cannot take only one half of the book.
Yes, that's right, I went to church. Grew up in the South, in Baptist churches. Hell, I even went to a Baptist university for my undergrad. The thing is, I dont generalize about people, and I also know that religious texts can be interpreted in a number of ways, depending on one's own political and ideological agenda. Most Muslims would never, ever think about killing someone. Just like most Christians would never think of it. However, there are people in both religions who interpret it for their own ends.
The last two quotes you retrieved from the bible have to do with laws that were enforced by the priests of the day. They were not commandments to the people reading the bible; they were iterations of the laws of that time (thousands of years ago).
The quotes from Surah are directed at the reader – they are meant to be followed and carried out by those who read and are devoted.
The Bible contains many illustrations of many violent and heinous acts, but it contains very, very few commandments to its reader to act in such a manner.
Do the religious texts of Islam primarily illustrate violence, or instruct?
By the way, I firmly believe that only extremism in religion causes violence. I do not condone the belief that Islam is a direct vessel to terrorism. I believe extremism is the path to terrorism.
Meanwhile, cryptoanarchy dreams its dreams of grandeur.
This doesn't seem that strange to me. Whenever a story like this comes out, I have the same reaction as Christian, and when I talk to my "insider" friends, the universal response that I get from them is "more stuff happens that you would think." They could just be blowing smoke up my ass, but I am willing to believe that there are still things that happen quietly in this country for a variety of reasons.
To me, the biggest thing is that President Obama would admit to such a thing. You'd think he could have left it out and the message would have been no different, but now he's on the record. THAT is interesting…
It's nonspecific, and if I recall correctly Bush was crowing that they'd stopped all kinds of terror stuff as well.
Then you know that most of the Old Testament scriptures of warfare are directed to Israel in the taking of the "Promised Land". After the taking of the promised land, they still fought battles with other nations, but it was in the taking of the promised land, where earlier nations worshiped demons, that God commanded to destroy every one of them so that the Israelites would not fall into demon worship.
The Muslims also have the Old Testament, so not including those scriptures in this argument is a mute point. Muslims are commanded by their faith, in the Koran, which came well after the Old Testament about 650 AD, to destroy non-Muslims. Also Muslim teaching about Allah plainly shows that Allah and the God of the Jews/Christians are clearly not the same.
Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
Does that sound like a commandment to destroy all Jews and Christians?
Very good Duality, but if you read 3 verses further in the Koran, you find:
[5:72] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah himself said, "O Children of Israel, you shall worship GOD; my Lord and your Lord." Anyone who sets up any idol beside GOD, GOD has forbidden Paradise for him, and his destiny is Hell. The wicked have no helpers.
[5:73] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution.
Hmm… Painful retribution, quite a contradition wouldn't you say? And in the same breath…
Contradiction is not exclusive to any religion. Get used to it.
lol… They could have at least waited to the next chapter to contradict what they said instead of the same paragraph…
I think that is why you have nations like Saudi Arabia, against terror, but also supporting it. They are confused because of contradictions like this. In one part of the paragraph the Jewish/ Christians are saved, and later in the same teaching they are pagans and need painful retribution….
Dang, I wasn't paying attention. Tenets. Thanks Chris.
Three or four years ago, there was a report from a Border Guard that groups of individual speaking some language unknown to the guard and not spanish were comiong across the mexican border and they all were dressed about the same.
The report was picked up by a California news person who reported it and was himself labeled a malcontent afterwards, I sure wish I could remember his name. The description he gave made be visualize people of Middleeastern descent of Arabic descent, right down to the clothing description and shoes.
Several people labeled thsi person who reported on this incident. a racist.
I'm not so sure anymore, having spent a couple of years working in Saudi Arabia, I think they were either Iranian or Hexbollah or Hamas.
We are imn danger thats is for sure.
Christian and others..
For sure you won't stay current on what our law enforcement agencies are doing re: counter-terrorism if you look only in the main stream media, with perhaps a brief mention on FOX News.
To find out what's been happening within our borders, check the following website periodically for all the news releases from Homeland Security:
http://www.nationalterroralert.com/
If our yellow bellied leader, and his attorney general, had any love for this nation, they would pull their heads from their asses, and secure our boarders with the military, National Gaurd, or simply let armed civilions do it. Any nation, who's boarders are pourous, is destined to suffer terrorism, or at the very least, it's identity.
Yeah, I can't wait to see an "armed civvie" accidentally shoot legitimate Mexican tourists, business associates, or government officials and fire off an international incident because some trigger-happy "Minuteman" didn't like the color of someone's skin. I agree with secure borders, but the situation needs to be handled correctly and fairly, which I think our "yellow-bellied" leader will probably handle more appropriately than some "cowboy" from TX with an isolationist attitude.
Sorry about my lousy spelling.. Nils
I agree with Jerry. It is time to shut down the border. Who knows how many terrorist come across the border along with illegals? Being politically correct and protecting America do not go together!
Nils—Obama + NG +armed civilians—Wow–you know damm=ned well he would rather depend on ACORN & SEIU TO GET THE JOB DONE-YA NS
So why doesn't Obama put U.S. troops back on the border to defend the USA?
Because he hates us nearly as much as terrorists do.
People, wake up. This country has had what would be considered "Terrorists" of one form or another for a very long time. The original Mafia, the Russian Mafia, the drug lords of South America, the "Iron Triangle" in Asia, etc., all, to one degree or another, have been "terrorists" against our great country. Now days all Americans need to be vigilant, but not paranoid in their everyday activities to help our Authorities catch this folks.
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Ok, this is what just kills me about the Islamic nations. On Friday, Taliban gunman attacked a Mosque in Pakistan, killing about 36 people and wounding 75, mostly children, according to CNN…. I checked a few online Muslim news agencies today and did not see anyting on the front pages.
If the Islamic nations are truly against terror, where is the international Muslim outcry against this?? A place of worship is attacked and kids are killed… And, just like when the terrorists attacked on 9/11, there was very little public outcry against the extremists.
But, if an American infantry squad chased terrorists into a Mosque and killed them, there would be one hell of an international uproar. Or if some Danish cartoonists make a few pictures…
remember McVey?
I have no doubt that there are terror operatives within America. 9/11 style attacks are not their way now. Most with those type of plannings are now dead or captured. I feel Alqueada saw it only brought more of us into 'muslim lands', exactly the opposite of which they fight for.
I expect a large attack only when either..
1. Alqueda &/or Taliban are at an end. As a last mass attack & it will be to damage as many major cities as we have. I'm sure of it.
2. If we get our way in Iraq, Isreal & Afghanistan. How so? If all 3 are permanent, become popular allies & religious/political differences are finally overcome, it means only 1 thing. The enemy has nothing left & nothing to lose. Desparation would set in.
Chance then they would try to destroy the planet starting with us :/
No politics, just facts.
I live in AZ and between the Border Patrol and DEA, there is a lot of hardware that is flying around keeping an eye on the border, to include AWACS callsign "Hammer" they will set up a nice box pattern and watch/report and track what is coming over the border. Fixed wing aircraft as well as helo's are tracked regularly, now we know that most of it is drug related, but here is a fact that dosent make the news, BP Agents are told(under threat from supervisors) NOT to talk about the fact that Chinese,Jordanians,Egyptians,Syrians,, you get the point, are also a regular group that is also apprehended out here in the desert.
It's like working the border back in the day in my LRS unit.
BD06, I think you've hit some of the nail squarely on the head…part of our border "problem" definitely stems from drug importation. Drugs which represent a symptom of our crumbling society.