<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: H&amp;K Wins Infantry Automatic Rifle Competition — Or Does It?</title> <atom:link href="http://defensetech.org/2009/12/03/hk-wins-infantry-automatic-rifle-competition-or-does-it/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/12/03/hk-wins-infantry-automatic-rifle-competition-or-does-it/</link> <description>The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:06:43 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Mark Copland</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/12/03/hk-wins-infantry-automatic-rifle-competition-or-does-it/#comment-223331</link> <dc:creator>Mark Copland</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:17:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5123#comment-223331</guid> <description>No,from what i&#039;ve heard,it&#039;s meant to replace the SAW,so they say </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No,from what i’ve heard,it’s meant to replace the SAW,so they say</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: check it out</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/12/03/hk-wins-infantry-automatic-rifle-competition-or-does-it/#comment-212300</link> <dc:creator>check it out</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:16:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5123#comment-212300</guid> <description>I think some of this stuff may have been copied, it&#039;s scattered across the internet and various peoples websites, unless you&#039;re the original author? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some of this stuff may have been copied, it’s scattered across the internet and various peoples websites, unless you’re the original author?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: trent</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/12/03/hk-wins-infantry-automatic-rifle-competition-or-does-it/#comment-195310</link> <dc:creator>trent</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:53:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5123#comment-195310</guid> <description>I hope we buy American uppers and not those european stuff! Buy Colt, Ruger or one of the msaller US manufactures and ditch FN and HK. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope we buy American uppers and not those european stuff! Buy Colt, Ruger or one of the msaller US manufactures and ditch FN and HK.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Risky</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/12/03/hk-wins-infantry-automatic-rifle-competition-or-does-it/#comment-192939</link> <dc:creator>Risky</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:44:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5123#comment-192939</guid> <description>I guess the idea is more maneuver and less fire?  I can attest that in some places (Iraq) the enemy isn&#039;t in one place long enough to suppress... and with your fire team built around the SAW, you move at his pace.  However, I can imagine in other places (Afghanistan) where you are engaging hostiles sometimes in the open at max ranges, you probably would want a heavy steady belt fed beast. Just remember that they&#039;re only talking of moving the 249&#039;s out of the fire teams ... and that in the end, company commanders will still have discretion as to what squads use what rifles.  Its just another option. Though I get the feeling you&#039;re gonna see more and more Sergeants Major and Colonels walking around like the cool kids on the block with these things than you&#039;re gonna see lanky 18 year old squad automatic gunners with them... </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the idea is more maneuver and less fire?  I can attest that in some places (Iraq) the enemy isn’t in one place long enough to suppress… and with your fire team built around the SAW, you move at his pace.  However, I can imagine in other places (Afghanistan) where you are engaging hostiles sometimes in the open at max ranges, you probably would want a heavy steady belt fed beast.</p><p>Just remember that they’re only talking of moving the 249’s out of the fire teams … and that in the end, company commanders will still have discretion as to what squads use what rifles.  Its just another option.</p><p>Though I get the feeling you’re gonna see more and more Sergeants Major and Colonels walking around like the cool kids on the block with these things than you’re gonna see lanky 18 year old squad automatic gunners with them…</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SSgt V.</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/12/03/hk-wins-infantry-automatic-rifle-competition-or-does-it/#comment-191569</link> <dc:creator>SSgt V.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:07:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5123#comment-191569</guid> <description>I have never understood the reasoning behind the Infantry Automatic Rifle (IAR). Now that I&#039;ve just finished reading the article discussing the Commandant&#039;s own concerns regarding the IAR in the 28 December 2009 issue, I am even more confused. IF the Commandant is not convinced that the IAR is a good replacement for the M249 SAW then WHY is the Marine Corps Systems Command still testing and on track to purchase this weapon in 2010? Not having been in an infantry battalion since 1994, I won&#039;t pretend to be an expert on the debate between the technical aspects of the IAR versus the SAW (weight, length, ease of field cleaning, immediate action, etc.) Although, the mini SAW used by the army comes to mind when debating mobility. However, I do have a couple of concerns regarding what the IAR brings to the tactical fight. First, where is the suppressive fire? Basic fire and maneuver requires suppressive fire. A 30 round magazine does not give suppressive fire, no matter how fast the magazine exchange. I would expect that the average magazine exchange on the M-16A2 during rifle qualifications is below 1-2 seconds. A reasonable pace in a training environment but not so good in combat. Second, the Automatic Riflemen&#039;s basic ammo loadout. The SAW gunner is typically carrying three 200 round belts with the SAW versus 12 - 18 30 round magazines with the IAR, 600 rounds versus 360 - 540. Three belts are easier to carry than 12 - 18 magazines. I guess I&#039;m not convinced that a magazine fed rifle will provide the fire power that we need in the current fight. Are we going to change our tactics to field a weapon? Sounds like putting the cart before the horse. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never understood the reasoning behind the Infantry Automatic Rifle (IAR). Now that I’ve just finished reading the article discussing the Commandant’s own concerns regarding the IAR in the 28 December 2009 issue, I am even more confused. IF the Commandant is not convinced that the IAR is a good replacement for the M249 SAW then WHY is the Marine Corps Systems Command still testing and on track to purchase this weapon in 2010? Not having been in an infantry battalion since 1994, I won’t pretend to be an expert on the debate between the technical aspects of the IAR versus the SAW (weight, length, ease of field cleaning, immediate action, etc.) Although, the mini SAW used by the army comes to mind when debating mobility. However, I do have a couple of concerns regarding what the IAR brings to the tactical fight. First, where is the suppressive fire? Basic fire and maneuver requires suppressive fire. A 30 round magazine does not give suppressive fire, no matter how fast the magazine exchange. I would expect that the average magazine exchange on the M-16A2 during rifle qualifications is below 1–2 seconds. A reasonable pace in a training environment but not so good in combat. Second, the Automatic Riflemen’s basic ammo loadout. The SAW gunner is typically carrying three 200 round belts with the SAW versus 12 — 18 30 round magazines with the IAR, 600 rounds versus 360 — 540. Three belts are easier to carry than 12 — 18 magazines.</p><p>I guess I’m not convinced that a magazine fed rifle will provide the fire power that we need in the current fight. Are we going to change our tactics to field a weapon? Sounds like putting the cart before the horse.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: WarScientist</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/12/03/hk-wins-infantry-automatic-rifle-competition-or-does-it/#comment-190224</link> <dc:creator>WarScientist</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:56:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5123#comment-190224</guid> <description>Drum mags. Easy, problem solved. Next problem please.... </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drum mags.</p><p>Easy, problem solved.</p><p>Next problem please.…</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joe</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/12/03/hk-wins-infantry-automatic-rifle-competition-or-does-it/#comment-190226</link> <dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:14:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5123#comment-190226</guid> <description>The link doesn&#039;t seem to work.Is the IAR intended as a 1-for-1 swap for the SAW?Grenade launchers aren&#039;t a volume of fire weapon - if anything they&#039;re the reverse; getting other section members close enough to  put grenades into trenches/over walls/through windows is generally the point of suppressing fire. If you can do that without having to hand-throw the grenade, so much the better....Ideally, an infantry unit needs four things;1) The ability to generate sustained suppressive fire with a weapon that&#039;s powerful enough to be threatening. That means either multiple full automatic capable rifles with drum mags or a number of light support weapons issued at section or fire team level.If replacing a single SAW with multiple automatic rifles per section, I can fully understand - it distributes your ability to generate fire, which makes it less of an issue if the support weapon is jammed, damaged, or lying next to the corpse of its former operator. A one-for-one replacement with a less capable weapon makes less sense to me. As noted, drum magazines might help - the problem is that if generating suppressive fire a 30 round mag won&#039;t last long enough for anyone to take advantage of it.2) The ability to fire precise shots to actually drop a target - something suppressive fire is very unlikely to do (unless firing something extremely potent that can punch though the walls, like a genuine HMG). This used to be the job of &#039;squad marksman&#039; types but more and more a decent optical sight has become standard issue and the more this trend continues, the better, as with (1); if everyone or nearly everyone in the squad can play machine-gunner or sniper as required, you are significantly more flexible in a surprise situation compared to a world war two model of nine grunts and two competent marksmen.3) The ability to punt fragmentation and/or thermobaric grenades into cover; underslung grenade launchers mean less proximity required and less exposure to use them and hence less risk.4) The ability to accurately mark a point or target for someone else - which means anything from smoke to laser designators (especially the latter for air or artillery precision munitions, given the seeming dislike airforces have for a low-and-slow with guns).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link doesn’t seem to work.</p><p>Is the IAR intended as a 1-for-1 swap for the SAW?</p><p>Grenade launchers aren’t a volume of fire weapon — if anything they’re the reverse; getting other section members close enough to  put grenades into trenches/over walls/through windows is generally the point of suppressing fire. If you can do that without having to hand-throw the grenade, so much the better.…</p><p>Ideally, an infantry unit needs four things;</p><p>1) The ability to generate sustained suppressive fire with a weapon that’s powerful enough to be threatening. That means either multiple full automatic capable rifles with drum mags or a number of light support weapons issued at section or fire team level.</p><p>If replacing a single SAW with multiple automatic rifles per section, I can fully understand — it distributes your ability to generate fire, which makes it less of an issue if the support weapon is jammed, damaged, or lying next to the corpse of its former operator. A one-for-one replacement with a less capable weapon makes less sense to me. As noted, drum magazines might help — the problem is that if generating suppressive fire a 30 round mag won’t last long enough for anyone to take advantage of it.</p><p>2) The ability to fire precise shots to actually drop a target — something suppressive fire is very unlikely to do (unless firing something extremely potent that can punch though the walls, like a genuine HMG). This used to be the job of ‘squad marksman’ types but more and more a decent optical sight has become standard issue and the more this trend continues, the better, as with (1); if everyone or nearly everyone in the squad can play machine-gunner or sniper as required, you are significantly more flexible in a surprise situation compared to a world war two model of nine grunts and two competent marksmen.</p><p>3) The ability to punt fragmentation and/or thermobaric grenades into cover; underslung grenade launchers mean less proximity required and less exposure to use them and hence less risk.</p><p>4) The ability to accurately mark a point or target for someone else — which means anything from smoke to laser designators (especially the latter for air or artillery precision munitions, given the seeming dislike airforces have for a low-and-slow with guns).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: WarScientist</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/12/03/hk-wins-infantry-automatic-rifle-competition-or-does-it/#comment-190225</link> <dc:creator>WarScientist</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:59:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5123#comment-190225</guid> <description>Drum mags. Easy, problem solved. Next.... </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drum mags.</p><p>Easy, problem solved.</p><p>Next.…</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Big Daddy</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/12/03/hk-wins-infantry-automatic-rifle-competition-or-does-it/#comment-189995</link> <dc:creator>Big Daddy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:49:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5123#comment-189995</guid> <description>Interesting little article I found about a subject similar to this. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.army-technology.com/features/feature59727/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.army-technology.com/features/feature59...&lt;/a&gt; Basically in a REAL firefight you cannot beat volume when talking about suppressing enemy fire. I n WWII the German squad was hard to beat because it centered around their MMG the MG34 or 42, the USA having Garands helped. Anybody who knows infantry tactics knows the only way to move is to suppress enemy fire. The best way to do that is to throw a large volume of rounds at the target. Then move before they return fire. I think the idea of these new grenade launchers are to do just that. But adding those and taking away the LMG for an IAR is one step a head, 2 steps back. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting little article I found about a subject similar to this. <a href="http://www.army-technology.com/features/feature59727/" rel="nofollow">http://www.army-technology.com/features/feature59…</a></p><p>Basically in a REAL firefight you cannot beat volume when talking about suppressing enemy fire. I n WWII the German squad was hard to beat because it centered around their MMG the MG34 or 42, the USA having Garands helped. Anybody who knows infantry tactics knows the only way to move is to suppress enemy fire. The best way to do that is to throw a large volume of rounds at the target. Then move before they return fire.</p><p>I think the idea of these new grenade launchers are to do just that. But adding those and taking away the LMG for an IAR is one step a head, 2 steps back.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: pleuris</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2009/12/03/hk-wins-infantry-automatic-rifle-competition-or-does-it/#comment-189999</link> <dc:creator>pleuris</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:18:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://defensetech.org/?p=5123#comment-189999</guid> <description>I read about iit a few years ago. but a can&#039;t find the article o the net. so I stand corrected, because i cannot follow up my claims </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read about iit a few years ago. but a can’t find the article o the net. so I stand corrected, because i cannot follow up my claims</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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