Comments on: UPDATE: Shot Detection for the Individual http://defensetech.org/2009/12/10/shot-detection-for-the-individual/ The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security Sat, 26 May 2012 02:10:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: fenton http://defensetech.org/2009/12/10/shot-detection-for-the-individual/#comment-207218 fenton Sat, 24 Jul 2010 04:26:06 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5188#comment-207218 also i didnt go on one mission without a rucksack on. Try and figure out how to wear this thing and still carry your gear. also i didnt go on one mission without a rucksack on. Try and figure out how to wear this thing and still carry your gear.

]]> By: fenton http://defensetech.org/2009/12/10/shot-detection-for-the-individual/#comment-207217 fenton Sat, 24 Jul 2010 04:23:37 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5188#comment-207217 roger that. Thankfully i had a meeting with the engineers after our last deployment. One engineer actually teared up a bit when my team as well as several others had nothing but hate for ALL of their products during a recorded meeting. Thank you PEO for letting my voice be herd. roger that. Thankfully i had a meeting with the engineers after our last deployment. One engineer actually teared up a bit when my team as well as several others had nothing but hate for ALL of their products during a recorded meeting. Thank you PEO for letting my voice be herd.

]]> By: fenton http://defensetech.org/2009/12/10/shot-detection-for-the-individual/#comment-207216 fenton Sat, 24 Jul 2010 04:19:48 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5188#comment-207216 i used this system in afghanistan and it is quite possible the most useless piece of gear ive ever been issued. Tax payer money going to good use! This system works off of the sound a round makes as it travels through the air at supersonic speeds, the problem is 7.62 does stay supersonic for long and once it drops below the threshold and become subsonic the system cant detect it. So that guy 400 meters away that i can clearly see? yeah it will tell me where he is. But those pop shots from that sniper 1000 meters away? The heavy uncomfortable, bulky system has no idea anything even happened. i used this system in afghanistan and it is quite possible the most useless piece of gear ive ever been issued. Tax payer money going to good use! This system works off of the sound a round makes as it travels through the air at supersonic speeds, the problem is 7.62 does stay supersonic for long and once it drops below the threshold and become subsonic the system cant detect it. So that guy 400 meters away that i can clearly see? yeah it will tell me where he is. But those pop shots from that sniper 1000 meters away? The heavy uncomfortable, bulky system has no idea anything even happened.

]]> By: needless http://defensetech.org/2009/12/10/shot-detection-for-the-individual/#comment-195839 needless Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:25:39 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5188#comment-195839 Theoretically speaking: You are facing the enemy north and the rest of your known friendly units are south, east and west of you. The last thing you would remember is the alarm going off that those incoming deadly bullets that would end your young life are coming from south, east and west of you. Sad... Theoretically speaking: You are facing the enemy north and the rest of your known friendly units are south, east and west of you. The last thing you would remember is the alarm going off that those incoming deadly bullets that would end your young life are coming from south, east and west of you. Sad…

]]> By: btdt68 http://defensetech.org/2009/12/10/shot-detection-for-the-individual/#comment-193895 btdt68 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:22:32 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5188#comment-193895 I am at a total loss for words at the moment but I will try and see this thru.... If the shoe fits wear it.... 1. How ignorant is it of you to talk about equipment that OUR soldiers are wearing and in the same breath talk about the sensitive nature of said equipment? Are you so stupid as to believe that the ENEMY is not reading this same blog as well as thousands of others and reading your stupid comments and using each piece they obtain to create the LARGER picture? Just to let you know they do have internet capability!!!!! Get smart, make general comments but don't go into the the whats, how, techs and specifics, you are killing our soldiers by your ignorance. 2. If you never served or have never worn the system, enlighten me as to why you believe your opinion counts? Why are you creating scenarios that you yourself will never be engaged in? Before you talk about the system, wear it, you arm chair generals who have never seen combat other than on TV or video game talk the talk about how bad these systems are but are too afraid to get off you assess and support YOUR country,wear one and then see if it works by FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE, then get on this blog and then you have a right to open your useless mouth 3. The system is a TOOL people, it is nothing more than any other piece of equipment, it is never to replace only to increase. Obviously you can't seem to grasp that content. 4. Think before you write, the internet is worldwide and the information they obtain from blogs like these are damaging, so regardless if you agree or disagree those young men and women over there are heroes and should be supported by your words than cursed behind their backs, and every piece of equipment is not perfect but can be with INPUT to the manufacturers over secure lines not on the non secure, so figure out how to do it and keep our soldiers in the fight. I am at a total loss for words at the moment but I will try and see this thru.…

If the shoe fits wear it.…

1. How ignorant is it of you to talk about equipment that OUR soldiers are wearing and in the same breath talk about the sensitive nature of said equipment? Are you so stupid as to believe that the ENEMY is not reading this same blog as well as thousands of others and reading your stupid comments and using each piece they obtain to create the LARGER picture? Just to let you know they do have internet capability!!!!! Get smart, make general comments but don’t go into the the whats, how, techs and specifics, you are killing our soldiers by your ignorance.

2. If you never served or have never worn the system, enlighten me as to why you believe your opinion counts? Why are you creating scenarios that you yourself will never be engaged in? Before you talk about the system, wear it, you arm chair generals who have never seen combat other than on TV or video game talk the talk about how bad these systems are but are too afraid to get off you assess and support YOUR country,wear one and then see if it works by FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE, then get on this blog and then you have a right to open your useless mouth

3. The system is a TOOL people, it is nothing more than any other piece of equipment, it is never to replace only to increase. Obviously you can’t seem to grasp that content.

4. Think before you write, the internet is worldwide and the information they obtain from blogs like these are damaging, so regardless if you agree or disagree those young men and women over there are heroes and should be supported by your words than cursed behind their backs, and every piece of equipment is not perfect but can be with INPUT to the manufacturers over secure lines not on the non secure, so figure out how to do it and keep our soldiers in the fight.

]]> By: Zandor http://defensetech.org/2009/12/10/shot-detection-for-the-individual/#comment-190584 Zandor Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:01:56 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5188#comment-190584 Dear Sierra3; What is the definition of victory in Afghanistan? I can't remember. Dear Sierra3;

What is the definition of victory in Afghanistan?

I can’t remember.

]]> By: Charles http://defensetech.org/2009/12/10/shot-detection-for-the-individual/#comment-190562 Charles Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:08:00 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5188#comment-190562 LTB: Without pushing into the limits of OPSEC, when did you deploy with Boomerang? Is it possible that it may have been upgraded for better performance? LTB: Without pushing into the limits of OPSEC, when did you deploy with Boomerang? Is it possible that it may have been upgraded for better performance?

]]> By: LtB http://defensetech.org/2009/12/10/shot-detection-for-the-individual/#comment-190529 LtB Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:42:17 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5188#comment-190529 I've used the Boomerang (vehicle version of this) in Iraq. It was crap and constantly broke. I never saw it actually work. We hated them. Just another ridiculously expensive tool to "enhance force protection" that the Army/USMC will spend millions on and shove down the throat of the end-user with minimal combat testing. A la the Guardian Man-Pack ECM, RAID Tower, DragonVision, etc. Here's an idea: instead of buying tons of tech crap that doesn't work, we fund a civil affairs program that actually works. We suck again. I’ve used the Boomerang (vehicle version of this) in Iraq. It was crap and constantly broke. I never saw it actually work. We hated them.

Just another ridiculously expensive tool to “enhance force protection” that the Army/USMC will spend millions on and shove down the throat of the end-user with minimal combat testing. A la the Guardian Man-Pack ECM, RAID Tower, DragonVision, etc.

Here’s an idea: instead of buying tons of tech crap that doesn’t work, we fund a civil affairs program that actually works. We suck again.

]]> By: Sierra3 http://defensetech.org/2009/12/10/shot-detection-for-the-individual/#comment-190515 Sierra3 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:08:28 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5188#comment-190515 The ability to overwhelm the device with thousands of "signals' or incidents at once is a real consideration, and the unreal expectation that it will always be ready and reliable. Otherwise, my experience while fighting in Baghdad 2004, is that it really is damn hard to define the location of incoming fire, since so often it doesn't follow expectable patterns, it is important to know the general direction the shots came from. Case in point- My recon platoon was prepping for the first Iraqi elections at a major traffic circle connecting the nearest bridge to the Green zone past the Ministry of Defense- we were there for 3 days straight with no contact. But we all naturally used individual "hard targeting techniques"- meaning that we never stood still, and dipped in and out of both cover and concealment. The day after we left a Combat Engineer was shot and killed there, and fellow Engineers pinned down because a seemingly safe area had a sniper sneak in there and there were hundreds of good sniping locations. So had there been a cardinal direction and distance given, it is very likely that a 10' change in location would provide angular cover, and would have given my team something to deploy against for a counter-sniper mission. Urban centers provide great audible and visual concealment for shooters with its many layers and levels which make establishing visual Positive ID (PID) very challenging, but is absolutely required before engaging apartment buildings or other urban terrain. As for Mr. Zandor- all do respect, but victory is only unattainable when you run out of hope, and hope is based on availability of options and capabilities. There are solutions, but it requires adaptation and perseverance, and avoiding indiscriminate automatic weapons fire in response to precision enemy fire is a good place to start, and in full out ambush situations such as the bases in Afghanistan these systems can communicate to mortar teams to provide rapid protective fires. The ability to overwhelm the device with thousands of “signals’ or incidents at once is a real consideration, and the unreal expectation that it will always be ready and reliable. Otherwise, my experience while fighting in Baghdad 2004, is that it really is damn hard to define the location of incoming fire, since so often it doesn’t follow expectable patterns, it is important to know the general direction the shots came from.
Case in point– My recon platoon was prepping for the first Iraqi elections at a major traffic circle connecting the nearest bridge to the Green zone past the Ministry of Defense– we were there for 3 days straight with no contact. But we all naturally used individual “hard targeting techniques”- meaning that we never stood still, and dipped in and out of both cover and concealment. The day after we left a Combat Engineer was shot and killed there, and fellow Engineers pinned down because a seemingly safe area had a sniper sneak in there and there were hundreds of good sniping locations. So had there been a cardinal direction and distance given, it is very likely that a 10′ change in location would provide angular cover, and would have given my team something to deploy against for a counter-sniper mission. Urban centers provide great audible and visual concealment for shooters with its many layers and levels which make establishing visual Positive ID (PID) very challenging, but is absolutely required before engaging apartment buildings or other urban terrain.
As for Mr. Zandor– all do respect, but victory is only unattainable when you run out of hope, and hope is based on availability of options and capabilities. There are solutions, but it requires adaptation and perseverance, and avoiding indiscriminate automatic weapons fire in response to precision enemy fire is a good place to start, and in full out ambush situations such as the bases in Afghanistan these systems can communicate to mortar teams to provide rapid protective fires.

]]> By: Txzen http://defensetech.org/2009/12/10/shot-detection-for-the-individual/#comment-190489 Txzen Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:42:17 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5188#comment-190489 I thought it said that the direction would be told in the ear piece and then you can look down and get the distance and elevation with the display if and when you are covered from that direction. And say there is fire from multiple directions, you now know the exact location of one, where you can engage suppress or nuetralize and then you get pay attention to the next. Better than nothing especially if it can help distinguish the original sound from echos in urban environments or help point you to which tree in the tree line is live. I thought it said that the direction would be told in the ear piece and then you can look down and get the distance and elevation with the display if and when you are covered from that direction. And say there is fire from multiple directions, you now know the exact location of one, where you can engage suppress or nuetralize and then you get pay attention to the next. Better than nothing especially if it can help distinguish the original sound from echos in urban environments or help point you to which tree in the tree line is live.

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