Comments on: A Thaw in the Cyber Cold War http://defensetech.org/2009/12/14/a-thaw-in-the-cyber-cold-war/ The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:24:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ptsfphttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/14/a-thaw-in-the-cyber-cold-war/#comment-190868 Ptsfp Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:03:26 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5202#comment-190868 S. Fisher, the book looks interesting. My only problem is that China doesn't really need cyber terrorism to bring down America. Because of the greed of American businessman, we are closing our manufacturing plants here and running them in China. This works well and good now that they are our "ally". But what if China changes it's mind and closes it's borders to America? They have a a large amount, if not majority, of our manufacturing expertise and technology. The Allies won WWII because they out produced the Axis powers. Kind of a scary thought... Ptsfp S. Fisher, the book looks interesting. My only problem is that China doesn’t really need cyber terrorism to bring down America.

Because of the greed of American businessman, we are closing our manufacturing plants here and running them in China. This works well and good now that they are our “ally”. But what if China changes it’s mind and closes it’s borders to America? They have a a large amount, if not majority, of our manufacturing expertise and technology.

The Allies won WWII because they out produced the Axis powers. Kind of a scary thought…

Ptsfp

]]> By: S. Fisherhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/14/a-thaw-in-the-cyber-cold-war/#comment-190631 S. Fisher Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:25:40 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5202#comment-190631 ...As far as "Where is China?" I suggest you read "Unrestricted Warfare" (ISBN 0-9716807-2-8) this might shed some light. That is if you truly wish to understand their wereabouts. …As far as “Where is China?” I suggest you read “Unrestricted Warfare” (ISBN 0–9716807-2–8) this might shed some light. That is if you truly wish to understand their wereabouts.

]]> By: Robhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/14/a-thaw-in-the-cyber-cold-war/#comment-190571 Rob Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:48:03 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5202#comment-190571 @Philo Not read about that but I've seen middle east billionaires buy loads of virtual currencies & items for various games they got addicted to. They bought & still buy off the average player, chinese farmers and the worse types of people on this planet. So many sites where you can buy accounts, virtual items, game currencies, cheats & even more sadly 1/2 are just either scams or methods to phish attack any who google or type thier site. Spam wars, advertising their illegal sites & 'offerings' occur daily on countless games & growing. Their sales only slow as a game dies out but replaced with many newer more popular games every month. International temptation for this is so high since almost noone has been punished for it. It's only going to get worse. @Philo Not read about that but I’ve seen middle east billionaires buy loads of virtual currencies & items for various games they got addicted to. They bought & still buy off the average player, chinese farmers and the worse types of people on this planet.

So many sites where you can buy accounts, virtual items, game currencies, cheats & even more sadly 1/2 are just either scams or methods to phish attack any who google or type thier site.

Spam wars, advertising their illegal sites & ‘offerings’ occur daily on countless games & growing.

Their sales only slow as a game dies out but replaced with many newer more popular games every month.

International temptation for this is so high since almost noone has been punished for it. It’s only going to get worse.

]]> By: Philohttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/14/a-thaw-in-the-cyber-cold-war/#comment-190564 Philo Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:07:40 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5202#comment-190564 @Rob: "I have tried various online games....account thieves & e-selling of the stolen virtual items." Did you catch the case last year of the guy who robbed the bank in some RPG game online and sold the "credits" in a zip drive, for several thousand dollars? An Australian guy I believe. The RPG company tried to take him to court, but the law laughed at them! @Rob:

“I have tried various online games.…account thieves & e-selling of the stolen virtual items.”

Did you catch the case last year of the guy who robbed the bank in some RPG game online and sold the “credits” in a zip drive, for several thousand dollars? An Australian guy I believe. The RPG company tried to take him to court, but the law laughed at them!

]]> By: Philohttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/14/a-thaw-in-the-cyber-cold-war/#comment-190561 Philo Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:04:33 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5202#comment-190561 Trust nothing the Russians have to say about this, (Or anything else). They will make much public and "official" noise and promises to drop an iron fist on any cyber-attacks from their country, while increasing funding to the criminal org's there who do the dirty work. China is quite because they want to dominate the world in the cyber-realm. Plus, they are not such good liars as the Russians. They would rather remain silent than lie about it. As always, the best defense is a good offense. America needs to get to and stay at the forefront of cyber technology. Speaking of which, what ever happened to the self-perpetuating nano-bots that DARPA was working on to defend American networks? Trust nothing the Russians have to say about this, (Or anything else). They will make much public and “official” noise and promises to drop an iron fist on any cyber-attacks from their country, while increasing funding to the criminal org’s there who do the dirty work.
China is quite because they want to dominate the world in the cyber-realm. Plus, they are not such good liars as the Russians. They would rather remain silent than lie about it.
As always, the best defense is a good offense. America needs to get to and stay at the forefront of cyber technology. Speaking of which, what ever happened to the self-perpetuating nano-bots that DARPA was working on to defend American networks?

]]> By: Robhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/14/a-thaw-in-the-cyber-cold-war/#comment-190519 Rob Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:47:20 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5202#comment-190519 Cyber warfare programs needs expanded greatly. In the past 10 years millions in cash and millions in personal information has been taken by cyber crooks. From online gaming, info on personal info such as name, location, family & friends, email and messenger user details, and banking. I have tried various online games & nearly all have an issue of hackers, account thieves & e-selling of the stolen virtual items. None ever get reported past the gaming host. None of the money is ever retrieved. These crooks live a life of a rich person & are not combatted at all. Game companies only ban accounts associated to the crooks IP and rarely take further actions. Cyber warfare programs needs expanded greatly. In the past 10 years millions in cash and millions in personal information has been taken by cyber crooks.

From online gaming, info on personal info such as name, location, family & friends, email and messenger user details, and banking.

I have tried various online games & nearly all have an issue of hackers, account thieves & e-selling of the stolen virtual items. None ever get reported past the gaming host. None of the money is ever retrieved. These crooks live a life of a rich person & are not combatted at all. Game companies only ban accounts associated to the crooks IP and rarely take further actions.

]]> By: Grumpyhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/14/a-thaw-in-the-cyber-cold-war/#comment-190516 Grumpy Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:12:37 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5202#comment-190516 Are we going back to "Mutual Assured Destruction"? Most people, even geeks, don't understand the complexity of this issue. There is an old saying, "A wise man knows that he knows not and a foolish man knows not that he knows not." This is the question for us. Which one are we? We should compare and contrast the two men. Both men don't know, the wise man knows it and the foolish man doesn't. Which one are we? Are we going back to “Mutual Assured Destruction”? Most people, even geeks, don’t understand the complexity of this issue. There is an old saying, “A wise man knows that he knows not and a foolish man knows not that he knows not.” This is the question for us. Which one are we? We should compare and contrast the two men. Both men don’t know, the wise man knows it and the foolish man doesn’t. Which one are we?

]]> By: Daniel O Buchholzhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/14/a-thaw-in-the-cyber-cold-war/#comment-190513 Daniel O Buchholz Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:04:09 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5202#comment-190513 In the un-attributable world of computers (where attacks aren't done by the government, but by "ultra-national/patriotic" hackers) all this is going to do is limit the USG's ability to respond. The USG (most of it) will abide by the rules and the foreign governments will snicker that they hobbled yet another technological advantage that they US could use and continue to do business as usual and plan for even greater scale attacks. This is a losing deal for the US. In the un-attributable world of computers (where attacks aren’t done by the government, but by “ultra-national/patriotic” hackers) all this is going to do is limit the USG’s ability to respond. The USG (most of it) will abide by the rules and the foreign governments will snicker that they hobbled yet another technological advantage that they US could use and continue to do business as usual and plan for even greater scale attacks. This is a losing deal for the US.

]]> By: Ryan Taylorhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/14/a-thaw-in-the-cyber-cold-war/#comment-190512 Ryan Taylor Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:10:03 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5202#comment-190512 I have said this before and I will say it again. Why do we need to network and connect our critical infrastructure to (or through rather) the internet? Is the convenience of having all of our critical infrastructure like, water, electricity, natrual gas, etc, accessible by networks worth the risk of them being so vulnerable? History has shown us that if someone creates a barrier or wall, that in time it will be overcome. What if we just avoid it all together by not allowing remote access to critical systems? Why can't a piece of criticial infrastructure like a hydro-electric dam for example, have a closed local network only? The network can be accessed by any PC on the network on site at the dam, but it has no ability to connect to outside networks (i.e. no internet access) I know other departments are at stake with this, such as the military and government in general, but why do we need to make CRITICAL civilian infrastructure so vulnerable? I have said this before and I will say it again. Why do we need to network and connect our critical infrastructure to (or through rather) the internet?

Is the convenience of having all of our critical infrastructure like, water, electricity, natrual gas, etc, accessible by networks worth the risk of them being so vulnerable?

History has shown us that if someone creates a barrier or wall, that in time it will be overcome. What if we just avoid it all together by not allowing remote access to critical systems?

Why can’t a piece of criticial infrastructure like a hydro-electric dam for example, have a closed local network only? The network can be accessed by any PC on the network on site at the dam, but it has no ability to connect to outside networks (i.e. no internet access)

I know other departments are at stake with this, such as the military and government in general, but why do we need to make CRITICAL civilian infrastructure so vulnerable?

]]> By: Nidihttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/14/a-thaw-in-the-cyber-cold-war/#comment-190511 Nidi Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:46:46 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5202#comment-190511 Where is China? They are sitting there having their 3rd and 4th departments of the PLA General Staff recruiting civilians such as academics and private sector technicians to work in conjunction with uniformed technicians to form units whose sole purpose is the discovery, development, and utilization of exploits in foreign networks. Why would they want to limit what could become a huge tool that can be used both tactically and strategically? Who wouldnt love to do the equivalent of an EMP attack on a nation without having to ever use a nuke? Where is China? They are sitting there having their 3rd and 4th departments of the PLA General Staff recruiting civilians such as academics and private sector technicians to work in conjunction with uniformed technicians to form units whose sole purpose is the discovery, development, and utilization of exploits in foreign networks.

Why would they want to limit what could become a huge tool that can be used both tactically and strategically? Who wouldnt love to do the equivalent of an EMP attack on a nation without having to ever use a nuke?

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