Comments on: Drone TV — The #1 Show in Iran, Afghanistan and Iraq http://defensetech.org/2009/12/17/drone-tv-the-1-show-in-iran-afghanistan-and-iraq/ The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:06:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: albydamhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/17/drone-tv-the-1-show-in-iran-afghanistan-and-iraq/#comment-202760 albydam Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:35:14 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5228#comment-202760 What happens when we are in a comms denied environment? UAVs go away and we are back to humans. What happens when we are in a comms denied environment? UAVs go away and we are back to humans.

]]> By: Jonhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/17/drone-tv-the-1-show-in-iran-afghanistan-and-iraq/#comment-191881 Jon Fri, 01 Jan 2010 02:39:17 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5228#comment-191881 Did I just see 'DLL'? Agree with the intended point, but if these drones are running any code under a Windows OS, then I would also focus attention at that frayed pile of cords, since it would very likely provide endless sources of 'entertainment' for foes. Did I just see ‘DLL’? Agree with the intended point, but if these drones are running any code under a Windows OS, then I would also focus attention at that frayed pile of cords, since it would very likely provide endless sources of ‘entertainment’ for foes.

]]> By: gsakhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/17/drone-tv-the-1-show-in-iran-afghanistan-and-iraq/#comment-191273 gsak Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:45:46 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5228#comment-191273 The point was that encryption is simple. Even something symmetric like c = b XOR a could have prevented this; say every drone has a password. Whether static object, dynamic, cut-and-paste from the internet source code, it doesn't matter. This problem, and the means to fix it, is a no-brainer over the time we've had. It sounds like we agree. The point was that encryption is simple. Even something symmetric like c = b XOR a could have prevented this; say every drone has a password. Whether static object, dynamic, cut-and-paste from the internet source code, it doesn’t matter. This problem, and the means to fix it, is a no-brainer over the time we’ve had. It sounds like we agree.

]]> By: L33Tsniperhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/17/drone-tv-the-1-show-in-iran-afghanistan-and-iraq/#comment-191260 L33Tsniper Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:38:54 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5228#comment-191260 AMEN brother!!!!!.....Why don't we force them to read (mabye like the RAND files) so they are a bit (no pun intended) more educated than my wife's chihuahua....the first and most important step is to admit there is a problem AMEN brother!!!!!.….Why don’t we force them to read (mabye like the RAND files) so they are a bit (no pun intended) more educated than my wife’s chihuahua.…the first and most important step is to admit there is a problem

]]> By: Ryan Taylorhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/17/drone-tv-the-1-show-in-iran-afghanistan-and-iraq/#comment-191154 Ryan Taylor Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:36:51 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5228#comment-191154 Were not just talking hellfire strikes though, we are talking hours of observation footage. If they were close enough to the target the drone was tracking they could have observed and recorded the entire session. From this they can extrapalate flight patterns used to observe stationary targets, and mobile targets, different visual modes and capabilities and so on. Dont underestimate what they can learn from this and put to use to fool our drones. There are always little low-tech tricks they will find to fool the operators and systems. This whole story is an example of them overcoming a sophisticated system with low tech devices and tactics. Were not just talking hellfire strikes though, we are talking hours of observation footage. If they were close enough to the target the drone was tracking they could have observed and recorded the entire session. From this they can extrapalate flight patterns used to observe stationary targets, and mobile targets, different visual modes and capabilities and so on. Dont underestimate what they can learn from this and put to use to fool our drones. There are always little low-tech tricks they will find to fool the operators and systems. This whole story is an example of them overcoming a sophisticated system with low tech devices and tactics.

]]> By: The Engineerhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/17/drone-tv-the-1-show-in-iran-afghanistan-and-iraq/#comment-191138 The Engineer Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:31:25 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5228#comment-191138 Also, note that the software has been around for 15+ years, I strongly suspect it's not written in a dot net language, it's probably not even object oriented, you need more that two lines of code and a dll. that said, in 15 years time even a worthless programmer should be able to fix it... Also, note that the software has been around for 15+ years, I strongly suspect it’s not written in a dot net language, it’s probably not even object oriented, you need more that two lines of code and a dll. that said, in 15 years time even a worthless programmer should be able to fix it…

]]> By: Kevinhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/17/drone-tv-the-1-show-in-iran-afghanistan-and-iraq/#comment-191126 Kevin Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:51:54 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5228#comment-191126 It's easy to encrypt on the drone. It's hard to modify several thousand ground and air terminals. It's terrifyingly hard to reliably do secure key distribution to several thousand ground and air terminals. It’s easy to encrypt on the drone. It’s hard to modify several thousand ground and air terminals. It’s terrifyingly hard to reliably do secure key distribution to several thousand ground and air terminals.

]]> By: Curtishttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/17/drone-tv-the-1-show-in-iran-afghanistan-and-iraq/#comment-191124 Curtis Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:03:26 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5228#comment-191124 They've intercepted the signals coming off the drone, how big of a leap is it to interfere or override with the command signals going to the drone? Asymmetric enemies do not have to rely on a slow and costly acquisitions system, getting the gear could be as simple as raiding the local radio shack or television station. While this is would certainly be a challenge to pull off in Afghanistan, due to the lack of radio shacks, television stations, or anything other then rocks, it wouldn't be a challenge should we have to fight another insurgency in an area with more stuff to steal. They’ve intercepted the signals coming off the drone, how big of a leap is it to interfere or override with the command signals going to the drone?

Asymmetric enemies do not have to rely on a slow and costly acquisitions system, getting the gear could be as simple as raiding the local radio shack or television station.

While this is would certainly be a challenge to pull off in Afghanistan, due to the lack of radio shacks, television stations, or anything other then rocks, it wouldn’t be a challenge should we have to fight another insurgency in an area with more stuff to steal.

]]> By: Colehttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/17/drone-tv-the-1-show-in-iran-afghanistan-and-iraq/#comment-191122 Cole Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:47:41 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5228#comment-191122 What kind of fool assumes the Pentagon is full of morons? From a Guardian article: "Air force Lieutenant General David Deptula, deputy chief of staff for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, said: "Any time you have a system that broadcasts information using omnidirectional signals, those are subject to listening and exploitation. One of the ways we deal with that is encrypting signals."" "When asked about the problem, a Pentagon spokesman, Lieutenant Colonel Mark Wright, indicated that it had been addressed. He said: "The department of defence constantly evaluates and seeks to improve the performance and security of our various ISR [intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance] systems. As we identify shortfalls, we correct them as part of a continuous process of seeking to improve capabilities and security."" What kind of fool assumes the Pentagon is full of morons?

From a Guardian article:

“Air force Lieutenant General David Deptula, deputy chief of staff for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, said: “Any time you have a system that broadcasts information using omnidirectional signals, those are subject to listening and exploitation. One of the ways we deal with that is encrypting signals.””

“When asked about the problem, a Pentagon spokesman, Lieutenant Colonel Mark Wright, indicated that it had been addressed. He said: “The department of defence constantly evaluates and seeks to improve the performance and security of our various ISR [intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance] systems. As we identify shortfalls, we correct them as part of a continuous process of seeking to improve capabilities and security.””

]]> By: B.Pricehttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/17/drone-tv-the-1-show-in-iran-afghanistan-and-iraq/#comment-191119 B.Price Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:05:02 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5228#comment-191119 Truer words. Truer words.

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