Comments on: Top Secret Brit Laptop Stolen http://defensetech.org/2009/12/18/top-secret-brit-laptop-stolen/ The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:24:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Richhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/18/top-secret-brit-laptop-stolen/#comment-198040 Rich Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:24:04 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5246#comment-198040 "I know their must be a lot more cases like this one in the U.S but it gose unreported." It would help if you had a one single shredd of evidence to back up your accusations instead of just a hunch. “I know their must be a lot more cases like this one in the U.S but it gose unreported.”

It would help if you had a one single shredd of evidence to back up your accusations instead of just a hunch.

]]> By: Richhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/18/top-secret-brit-laptop-stolen/#comment-198038 Rich Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:21:45 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5246#comment-198038 "Well I guess they can say good bye to getting the source code for the F-35 now." I would damn well hope that we don't get it, and that's coming from a UK citizen! We cannot be trusted with anything anymore and our MOD is a f**kin joke. I wouldn't mind betting we're selling off data in a shady manner either to get funds for nu labour, after all our NHS has been seliing off our medicine that was meant to go to our people to foreign nations to make a fast buck! And don't even mention the gold selling fiasco... We are a completely broken nation. “Well I guess they can say good bye to getting the source code for the F-35 now.”

I would damn well hope that we don’t get it, and that’s coming from a UK citizen!
We cannot be trusted with anything anymore and our MOD is a f**kin joke.

I wouldn’t mind betting we’re selling off data in a shady manner either to get funds for nu labour, after all our NHS has been seliing off our medicine that was meant to go to our people to foreign nations to make a fast buck!
And don’t even mention the gold selling fiasco…

We are a completely broken nation.

]]> By: Robhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/18/top-secret-brit-laptop-stolen/#comment-191535 Rob Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:36:05 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5246#comment-191535 On Wednesday before Christmas all servers at my job were disrupted for a short time. Never have seen them all go down at same time. I come home and read Blackberry was also down for a period. Today I now read <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/12/24/cnet.ddos.attack/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/12/24/cnet.ddos.atta...</a> Unrelated but noticed in some of the popular mingames on myspace & facebook lately have people trying to get your name.. like to add as friend & neighbor to the game. Meanwhile in Online gaming, extortion & corruptions continue unabated. The spam machine rolls on, only hindered by some filters but continuously flooding the internet I can google or wiki most any information anyone would need to know about our strategies, troop placements, & tactics. Yet there is so little information available in areas our enemies exist. I would think with our community of techno geeks much of this would been resolved long ago... On Wednesday before Christmas all servers at my job were disrupted for a short time. Never have seen them all go down at same time.

I come home and read Blackberry was also down for a period.

Today I now read

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/12/24/cnet.ddos.atta…

Unrelated but noticed in some of the popular mingames on myspace & facebook lately have people trying to get your name.. like to add as friend & neighbor to the game.

Meanwhile in Online gaming, extortion & corruptions continue unabated.

The spam machine rolls on, only hindered by some filters but continuously flooding the internet

I can google or wiki most any information anyone would need to know about our strategies, troop placements, & tactics.

Yet there is so little information available in areas our enemies exist.

I would think with our community of techno geeks much of this would been resolved long ago…

]]> By: Steinerhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/18/top-secret-brit-laptop-stolen/#comment-191474 Steiner Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:37:11 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5246#comment-191474 No, recent history has taught us that the MOD will just pay 1,000,000% more and the US will fix it. No, recent history has taught us that the MOD will just pay 1,000,000% more and the US will fix it.

]]> By: Brian Bhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/18/top-secret-brit-laptop-stolen/#comment-191410 Brian B Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:38:27 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5246#comment-191410 Is it prudent security advise to suggest that the MoD equip "classified" lap­tops with GPS and have them phone home? In my experience such systems operate on proprietary networks run by the MOD. As such having them beacon might constitute a breach of policy and having a trusted communications link is may work in private industry, it is not the best security practice for defense and government related organizations, at least with nattional security related information systems. By the by, your facts are interesting, but it would be helpful if you cited your sources rather than expecting us to take you at your word. Is it prudent security advise to suggest that the MoD equip “classified” lap­tops with GPS and have them phone home? In my experience such systems operate on proprietary networks run by the MOD. As such having them beacon might constitute a breach of policy and having a trusted communications link is may work in private industry, it is not the best security practice for defense and government related organizations, at least with nattional security related information systems.

By the by, your facts are interesting, but it would be helpful if you cited your sources rather than expecting us to take you at your word.

]]> By: J. Alexanderhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/18/top-secret-brit-laptop-stolen/#comment-191359 J. Alexander Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:13:50 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5246#comment-191359 In today's defense sector, knowledge often equals power. It's scary to hear that the lives of service men and women could be at risk because data about them has been compromised. -J. Alexander DefensePlacements <a href="http://www.defenseplacements.com" target="_blank">http://www.defenseplacements.com</a> In today’s defense sector, knowledge often equals power. It’s scary to hear that the lives of service men and women could be at risk because data about them has been compromised.

–J. Alexander
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http://www.defenseplacements.com

]]> By: hooiyewlimhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/18/top-secret-brit-laptop-stolen/#comment-191331 hooiyewlim Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:08:07 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5246#comment-191331 you know they should separate the secret data. example . data for project A. all the data should separate to atleast 4 part give to 4 person to save in laptop. incase one is stolen then the other 3 is safe you know they should separate the secret data.
example .
data for project A.
all the data should separate to atleast 4 part give to 4 person to save in laptop.
incase one is stolen then the other 3 is safe

]]> By: AggyTaterhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/18/top-secret-brit-laptop-stolen/#comment-191291 AggyTater Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:16:05 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5246#comment-191291 Right on! Hit 'em again, Osher! Right on!
Hit ‘em again, Osher!

]]> By: Osher Doctorowhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/18/top-secret-brit-laptop-stolen/#comment-191277 Osher Doctorow Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:39:16 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5246#comment-191277 The habit of blaming the U.K., which by the way is our best Ally (born yesterday newbies don't know that - maybe a Military history test should be required for Military Service), is ridiculous. Take a look at WWII. Every European nation except the U.K., and Russia capitulated to Hitler, and Russia (then part of the USSR) was a Frankenstein. Churchill persuaded Roosevelt to help in the European War. Then look at the subsequent Wars. Which European nation took on Afghanistan and Iraq when all the lily-livered "Allies" chickened out? The U.K. They also are way more Strategically oriented than us, and they are way more Inventive than us in physics, mathematics, etc. And they didn't elect a No-Military-Service CIC during Wartime - about the Dumbest action in world history. Osher Doctorow The habit of blaming the U.K., which by the way is our best Ally (born yesterday newbies don’t know that — maybe a Military history test should be required for Military Service), is ridiculous. Take a look at WWII. Every European nation except the U.K., and Russia capitulated to Hitler, and Russia (then part of the USSR) was a Frankenstein. Churchill persuaded Roosevelt to help in the European War. Then look at the subsequent Wars. Which European nation took on Afghanistan and Iraq when all the lily-livered “Allies” chickened out? The U.K. They also are way more Strategically oriented than us, and they are way more Inventive than us in physics, mathematics, etc. And they didn’t elect a No-Military-Service CIC during Wartime — about the Dumbest action in world history.

Osher Doctorow

]]> By: Nikhttp://defensetech.org/2009/12/18/top-secret-brit-laptop-stolen/#comment-191275 Nik Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:24:34 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5246#comment-191275 The likelihood is that the laptop was stolen along with the crypto token, but the report doesn't state if the passphrase was also compromised. There are no in-service MOD approved laptop crypto solutions that do not require a passphrase. This doesn't make the loss trivial by any means but does reduce the risk of a serious breach (assuming the passphrase wasn't on a Post-It of course!) As for the headline "facts", where does the 1 in 10 laptops stolen figure come from? Let me guess, a company that sells laptop security products. Since a number of high profile laptop and USB losses MOD have conducted extensive audits of such devices and the losses, while not insignifcant, are orders of magnitude lower -- 130 out of 35,000 in 2007 (<a href="http://www.mod.uk/nr/rdonlyres/3e756d20-e762-4fc1-bab0-08c68fdc2383/0/burton_review_rpt20080430.pdf)." target="_blank">http://www.mod.uk/nr/rdonlyres/3e756d20-e762-4fc1...</a> I suspect similar figures apply to other defence (and defense ;) organisations. As for F-35 source code, so be it, I guess you'll have to fix it yourselves then :-) The likelihood is that the laptop was stolen along with the crypto token, but the report doesn’t state if the passphrase was also compromised. There are no in-service MOD approved laptop crypto solutions that do not require a passphrase. This doesn’t make the loss trivial by any means but does reduce the risk of a serious breach (assuming the passphrase wasn’t on a Post-It of course!)

As for the headline “facts”, where does the 1 in 10 laptops stolen figure come from? Let me guess, a company that sells laptop security products. Since a number of high profile laptop and USB losses MOD have conducted extensive audits of such devices and the losses, while not insignifcant, are orders of magnitude lower — 130 out of 35,000 in 2007 (http://www.mod.uk/nr/rdonlyres/3e756d20-e762-4fc1… I suspect similar figures apply to other defence (and defense ;) organisations.

As for F-35 source code, so be it, I guess you’ll have to fix it yourselves then :-)

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