Reliable sources are telling me the US recently shut down a massive arms shipment to the Republic of Georgia because the country was working with the Israelis on a strike against Iran.
My weapons and private security sources tell me that Georgian officials were stunned when the Obama administration halted the flight of a planeload (or several) of weapons, including small arms, helicopters and “heavy weapons.” Apparently, the shipment of US-made equipment was stopped by the White House, going around DoD and State, my sources tell me.
The reasons are twofold and admittedly speculative, since my sources are talking to the Georgian side who are perplexed. One, the Russians may have pressured the administration to halt the deal, preferring to sell the arms to the Georgians themselves — or NOT have the US sell the weapons to them. Second, and more controversial, apparently the Israelis have been in close negotiations with the Georgians to use airfields around Tbilisi as a hopping point for a strike against Iran’s nuclear capability. My sources say 3,000 Israeli advisors and military people are in Georgia right now.
If you look at a map, it’s a long route, but Israeli planes would have to fly over Turkey (which is a very close ally) and Georgia and a very small sliver of Russia to reach the Caspian, where it can fly unencombered to points in Iran. My back of the napkin/Google Earth calculation is that the trip would be a little over 2,000 miles from Jerusalem to Esfahan. How would Russian let Israeli planes fly over its territory on a trip to blow up Iranian reactors which Moscow has helped build? My sources aren’t sure, but maybe the diplomatic hassle of doing business with Iran is outweighed by an under the table agreement to buy Georgia’s arsenal through Russian companies and transport, thereby handing more control of Tbilisi’s affairs to Moscow.
More as it unfolds.
– Christian
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You've got to be kidding me. Let's just appease everybody that doesn't like what we do, that's a great idea. Appeasement has a strong track record of success.
President Obama apparrently wants a nuclear bomb in the hands of Iranian mad men.
Turkey would not submit to having Israeli warplanes fly through their airspace to attack Iran, no way. Turkey has been rebuffing Israel on several fronts and would under no circumstances allow this currently.
There seems to be no easy way to deal with Iran's nuclear program, even the Israelis themselves have said that airstrikes alone are not enough. I think a combination of sanctions, covert sabotage and fostering opposition inside Iran remains the best option(s).
Why would anyone think the Iranian opposition would welcome the CIA to help them depose their current government? Hmmm…my understanding is that the CIA's reputation with the Iranian people is fairly low to say the least.
Turkey "let" the Israelis overfly on the way and way back to Syria, to attack the ostensible "nuclear installation". They dropped their fuel tanks in the southern Turkish mountains. These were discovered the next day by locals and it was hushed up.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/syria/nuk…
Israel does what they want, and american taxpayers make it possible.
Why does Iran feel they need nukes anyway? Could it be that is the only means to guarantee national soverignty?
Whiny moral considerations have no place in international discourse.
Maybe because Israel has nukes.
I love the unintentional irony here. :)
My two cents:
- the Israel link sounds a bit too far-fetched by my taste. For one thing, such a large number of planes flying so far leaves a lot of room for things to go wrong. Plus the effectiveness of any raid is expected to be low, so it seems unlikely for Israel to attempt such a risky strategy for so little potential results.
- Russia supports Iran, letting Israel bomb it would be against their interests (and those of China). Letting Israeli airplanes pass through Russian air space uncontested would drive Iran away from Russia, into Chinese arms.
- more likely, the weapons ban was put in place because Russia doesn't like the US selling quality weapons to Georgia.
Has everyone forgtten the 'minor skirmish' Georgia engaged in…..not hard to figure out why Russia is opposed.
Yeah, Georgia foolishly responded to Russian taunts… Hopefully next time the US will equip and train them better.
Joe,
What 'whiny moral considerations' are you talking about?
That defending Israel is in the american interest. We as americans gain nothing from supporting israel. Now that the Saudi's, Jordanians, Kuwaits, et al understand the threat radical islam poses, what need have we of israel? Are they going to pay back all the loans we have advanced them? With interest?
Israel can take care of the Iranian problem, but since we now have a sympathetic Muslim as president, we are hindering them. The new US administration has time and again shown it's anti-Israel stance.
Also, we pull the Missile shield out of Poland to buddy up with Russia, now we stop a shipment to Georgia, again for Russian favor. Pretty scary stuff….
Check out the attached link on Obama"s Muslim experiances
Obama talks up his Muslim back ground
If you have doubts this may change your mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#…
Check out the attached link on Obama"s Muslim experiances
Obama talks up his Muslim back ground
If you have doubts this may change your mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#…
"Muslim as President" – Wrong
"..shown it's anti-Israeli stance…" – Wrong
"…pull the Missile shield out of Poland to buddy up with Russia…" – Wrong
Try again.
Obama talks up his Muslim back ground
If you have doubts this may change your mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#…
Obama talks up his Muslim back ground
If you have doubts this may change your mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#…
Go get into to your gun filled bunker then…We'll all be up here laughing at you.
Perhaps we shouldn't jump to conclusions until we hear the US' side of the story…
Another ally thrown under the bud, Taiwan is next so I read!
Man this Mr Obama is wimp!
Really, what did the last adminsitration do in eight years to stop Iran from going nuclear?
The answer is nothing….
It is so stupid for the Obama Administration to shut down that shipment. Georgia is a struggling country that faces off against the Russian Bear, they need all the help they can get.
Instead of hammering the President about doing nothing, maybe the president is just doing the right thing at this moment giving the signal that they are listening to the Russian objections. letting israel do the overt rearment, and the US the covert one. So by this the supplyroutes from Russia to Afganistan wil not be closed. Please remember that every action has consequences. And in these regions it's just like playing chess, you heve think ten steps ahead or lose….
Maybe the Israelis figured the amount time they'd be in Russian airspace at full throttle was negligible and they weren't going to bother to ask permission…
leave it to barry to screw over our America's allies and support barrys Communist and muslim fellow travelers. Jerimiah Wright would be proud of his little man-child…..
Wow, your dillusional dude. Or haven't you been watching the news. Obama has been more supportive of our enemies than our allies.
1. Sorry, but Obama is a Muslim.
2. Like our other allies, Obama has snubbed Netanyahu, and is forcing them to his time table on Iran. God knows what that means….
3. Umm… Yeah dude, he did, or didn't you get the memo? Obama tried to offer off-land based missile support, but the message was clear. Obama bowed out to Russia, and he will most likely do it again. Russia now wants our tech specs on the missile defence shield. Obama will probably give them up also.
maybe so that they can continue to say they are being unfairly persecuted by the rest of the world? This would allow the government to deflect any sort of internal problems(mostly economic, some social) from themselves onto external forces(the evil West).
what if were a “one way trip”? US and Iranian AD would be looking for a direct route, not over the black sea and over the Armenia/Azerbaijan, down the Caspian where not too many sophisticated RADARs are looking then terminal to wherever the crusie missiles need to go.
what if were a "one way trip"? US and Iranian AD would be looking for a direct route, not over the black sea and over the Armenia/Azerbaijan, down the Caspian where not too many sophisticated RADARs are looking then terminal to wherever the crusie missiles need to go.
No offense to your sources but this sounds a little conspiracy-theory-ish, especially the Russians-selling-arms-to-Georgia angle. Any other outlets carrying this story?
1. Obama is not a mulism.
2. It's a two way street. The US asked Israel to halt settlement construction but they didn't even blink and continued producing settlements. Also the US owes nothing to Israel. The fact that we give them $10B a year is ridiculous these days.
3. Obama removed the missiles from Poland, and replaced them with proven SM3 ship based interceptor missiles which more cost effective and mobile.
Obama talks up his Muslim back ground
If you have doubts this may change your mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#…
The US has been a stout supporter of Israel in the past and rightfully so. But lately, including the Bush years, we have been forcing them to again and again give up ground to Palestinians in the name of "Peace". Their will never be peace with extremists Muslim nations surrounding Israel that call for her destruction.
We need to either support Israel or get out of her way and stop crippling her.
Oh, and I think Barack Hussein Obama II is an Italian name. Doesn't sound Muslim at all….
What have we 'forced' the Israelis to do exactly? The answer is nothing…we've tried to exert pressure on them to slow and/or stop settlement activity and it has never happened. We get essentially nothing from Israel in return for the billions in foreign aid.
Oh wait, we do get something in return….they ruthlessly engage in espionage to steal from the United States and don't even try to pretend they don't, I get briefed on it. Look up Johnathan Pollard….look up the USS Liberty…plus they sold the Lavi technology WE financed to China. WAKE UP, THEY ARE ARE FRIENDS ONLY WHEN IT SUITS THEM!
Yeah, with friends like that who needs enemies.
I completely agree with that last sentence. The opportunity that was missed during the first of these rounds of civil unrest within Iran may have been the best we've had in a long time. This second opportunity is a gift, and we're fumbling it again. Unbelievable. We need operators and spooks on the ground, facilitating those students and young adults who are willing to put themselves on the line for their own freedom. The silence of the administration in support of their cause is deafening.
lol, okay. Israel is one of the few stable countries in the area. Israel is a leader in the military and computer technology field that we benefit immensely from.
Ever wonder who invented the modern UAV? You ever hear of Checkpoint software? God I hope the Government isn't who your getting briefed by, but if you are that would explain a lot…
I would rather have Israel as an ally then Obama's new allies…
…I will bless them who bless thee, and curse them that curse thee. As our policy towards Israel shifts, so our greatness as a nation diminish.
oh the brilliance of the banking/industrial powers….claiming to be Jews (or doing business to those who claim to be) but having no reflection of godliness….claiming to be descendants of Israel, but completely unproven…..providing the equipment to enact the holocaust….providing the gas to make the luftwaffe fly…..funneling nazi germany's funds through American banks (Sen Prescott Bush)….setting up the nation-state of "Israel" as a base to control resources in a region….allowing people to use the Bible to justify the hatred of a people God would love (the son's of Ishmael are sons of Abraham according to your Bible)…Israel is the dream home for the evil empire of financial giants…America is their minion Army, the new Irish cannon fodder for the new British Empire…..brilliantly evil and successful plan
What a crock of shit!
Loony tune biblical bullshit prophecies are a dime a dozen.
Go see a palm reader. You will be much better served.
Great, all sounds nice….so lets just give away the shop while they rob us blind. And I don't know where you get your info but it's well known that Israel is one of th emost agressive Countries targeting US technology and intelligence…..suggest you read up on that.
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htintel/20091021…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7361446.stm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24256527/
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/sep/03/nation/na…
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0496/…
http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0499/9904044.html
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/119324
Could you explain what route you were using? It doesn't make sense that coming out of Tbilisi you would fly over Russia at all. You could make it to Iran just going over Turkey to Iran (a bit longer than a straight line). But even a straight line out of Georgia puts you over Armenia or Azerbaijan (I don't Azerbaijan would be down with Israel going over them–but I also bet they wouldn't be able to do much to stop Israel. Armenia might be more amenable to the idea.
Anyhow, I agree it sounds pretty farfetched, but if even you take the Israeli link out of the cancelled shipment, it still makes me mad. Georgia is an ally and we already abandoned them once when they were invaded. Lets not do it again.
Georgian are trouble makers sooner or later will do something stupid again!!!
Seconding what Matt said.
Amen brother, Russia, Iran, and eventually Turkey all line up with the Ezekiel 38, 39 prophesy…
My idea is that IDF would fly over the Red Sea and around the Arabian Penninsula and approach Iran from the south. Any damaged aircraft would land at US airbases in Iraq or Georgia, with Georgian air defenses buffed up for a potential Iranian strike. But this route does seem about 2x the Entebbe one and I don't know if IDF have the aerial refuling resources….but who's to know if some (US) National Guard tankers happend to be in the area….
Another idea, any IDF planes landing in US bases in Iraq are quickly prepped for C-17 shipment back to Israel. Maybe others who are in the know can chime in whether a damaged F-15I or F-16I can be prepped quickly (within, say, 12 hours, by removing parts of wings and vert. stabilizer?) for transport within a C-17.
With all the support the Iranians gave to insurgents in Iraq, this idea doesn't seem too far fetched, IMHO.
Gog and Magog…I'm afraid you may be correct
with obama US is becoming a cowardice nation
*yes…increasing troop levels in Afghanistan (sarcasm)__*not yet pulling the troops out of Iraq (guaranteed no candidate not promising this would've gotten elected in 08)__*trying to enforce our environmental policies upon other nations__*taking the lead per the usual at the G8, G20, etc.__*trying to force a sovereign nation to not obtain weapons we ourselves possess____no…actually I see the exact same Imperialistic Fascism his predecessors have shown____two party system….garbagio__Republicrat (Neo-Fascist)__aka: two headed monster
Rather go back to Cheney&Co? Look how they f'd up almost EVERYTHING. Better check the record, there has been more strikes in PAK the past year, we are hitting them in Yemen, Somalia..the real problem is HERE, and in Europe..how do you deal with that? Stop letting them in. We are being OUTPOPULATED, and it will get worse..GOD help us..[the 1 we ALL worship] its just 1 group of people who are stuck in the year 1100AD…
Navy sailors like Stephen Colbert LOL
Let's not forget that our ally Israel continues to spy on us more than any other country besides China. What are friends for….
Let's be real about this. For the last I don't know 20 years what really has Israel done for us? I mean what have they done to benefit our nation directly. I mean they let us come to their cities as tourists. But I don't see that benefiting us as a nation. They gave us that one IDF pilot who was an astronaut but wait, he died when the Columbia broke up. Um……..have they paid us back any of the billions of dollars we have given them by chance? Just wondering. Did they help us out in Iraq or Afghanistan. Wait no, they just said Go America! and Good Luck! But that doesn't help too much when you really think about it. Oh well. But think about it what really has Israel done for the average American citizen. "They've been a strong and loyal ally!" Right…..Usually allies help each other actively. When was the last time a Israeli soldier and a American grunt or Marine were fighting side by side in the sandbox or the stan. When was the last time Israel gave us a piece of technology or innovation outside of the military realm that has been a gift to both our citizens and their economy.
In my honest opinion Israel just seems to be a Zionist, arrogant nation who goes about acting like the entire region is theirs. They're always out playing war and making trouble for themselves. They always get into some kind of trouble, never wanting to handle anything by TALKING. Talk damn't it works really. You are heard. Not every situation has to be handled with a M-16 or airstrike. Yes they have a right to defend themselves and I believe they should carry out that right but why waste OUR money on these little wars with your neighbors. We don't benefit from it, we just get pushed further into debt when you turn around and ask us for more money. Look at what Operation Cast Lead did…oh wait that was NOTHING. Status quo ante bellum. Nothing changed. Over 1000 people died but…nothing changed. If anything changed it was Israel looking more like an asshole to the rest of the world. It is good of us to have Israel as a friend, I repeat friend. But until they start doing something that will benefit us as a nation then they can be their own country and handle their own shit. Why should we give them over 8 billion dollars for them to buy weapons when we can't even keep our economy stable? Why don't we start worrying about our issues, American issues, and stop trying to be in everyone else's kool-aid.
But on the flip side I do say we help Georgia outside of massive arms deals. Give them small amounts of money to develop their infrastructure and economy with increments think of them as training wheels. They have to learn how to ride by themselves. We can't baby them. As long as they keep their mouth shut, let go of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and act friendly the big bad bear won't mess with them and we can have the big bear as our friend. Which is a very good deal.
The Cold War is over folks enough with the hostility or uneasiness towards Russia. Russia is one of the fastest growing nations in the world (BRIC), its high time we became friends with them and take advantage of a mutual friendship and all the benefits it entails. Same goes for India, China, and Brazil yes Brazil. Folks we got to stop going about the world acting like the policeman we have to stop giving developing countries so much money, either they do it themselves or they craft a friendship with a neighbor who can actually afford to help them. We need to get ourselves in line before we worry about anyone else. I'm not saying reduce our national security to swiss cheese or bring back our forces stationed around the globe, but we do need to reduce it a bit or become more cost effective. An example of this is scrapping products we don't need, a good current example would be the JSF which in my honest opinion is a humongous clusterfuck. Just give it up. Make something new, high quality and relatively cheap. Something that can be massed produced quickly, something like the F-16 of the 21st century.
Every point you made in that comment sounds like pure stupidity to me, go back and read it you’ll see.
For those not in the know, what Israel “does” for the US is promote freedom, capitalism and democracy in the region instead of religious despotism. They didn’t join in the Iraq war with us for the obvious reasons, they are fighting their own defensive wars with the Iran proxies and any involvement in Iraq would draw fire from all the Palestinian sympathizers and make the entire effort to “win” impossible.
Woohoo capitalism, freedom, democracy! Please, what else? Winning is whatever you define it as. So what if they have sympathizers? Face it man every nation has sympathizers for the enemy. We have them especially. So….come on talk to me. Explain your point more in depth please.
I'm looking forward to this troop withdrawl in Iraq the less troops we have there and the more money we save from that the better. If we can't win in Afghanistan throw in the towel, there is no point in continuing to slosh through a quagmire, losing American lives, and wasting tons of money. Again the more money we keep in our pockets the better.
As a country we need to focus now on innovation and becoming an economical and intellectual superpower rather than a military one. We need to change the way our children our educated. Our children need to be the leaders of the world in innovation and intellect. Let's see 4.0 GPA as an average across the board for all our young future leaders. Teach them to strive, failure is not an option, fall down get back up, give them second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth chances and so on and so forth. If they fail we fail and we cannot afford that. If we could put a man on the moon and a flag on top of Mount Suribachi then damn't we can be the leaders of the world like we were. We need to or else we are done. We can't afford to bicker amongst ourselves we need to work together at whatever the cost. If you look at our challengers they are not slowing down, they are not worried about dealings in a land 5,000 miles from home. All they are concerned about is being number one. They want our spot. They can't have it. We can't let them have it. We need a revolution. Not one of iron, cold steel and blood, but one of the mind. We need to change how we are thinking. We need to look forward. Because that is where we are headed. We are in a race so put the blinders on, lean forward and run like hell.
-God Bless America.
Just FYI to DDD. Turkey-Georgia-Azerbaijan and Iran-Russia-Armenia are the two so-called "iron triangles" of Caucus alliances. Armenia would have a lot more beef with allowing an Israeli over-flight than Azerbaijan would. Don't comment on regional politics if you don't know nuthin' about them.
That would go for a lot of posters on here.
Actually, I do know a bit. I happen to know Armenia is a heavily Christian country whereas Azerbaijan is heavily Muslim. I would expect Armenia to be happy to do something Azerbaijan would not like as they have participated in a great deal of Armenian persecution over past centuries (the enemy of my enemy is my friend). And I was saying, of the two, I would expect Azerbaijan to have more trouble with Israel overflying–since they would be aligned toward Iran. And while I know Armenia is no lover of Israel, they would, I would expect have LESS of a problem with an Israeli overflight. Probably still would not be down with it. Shades of dislike, but a relevant point, I think.
Don't comment on other people's comments if you don't know "Nuthin'" about what they are saying. Lets keep it civil.
Israel cannot and won't fly over Turkey; the diplomatic relation is different after the invitation of Hezbollah to Turkey. However, Georgia may become a refueling base and a launch pad for Israel Air Force before returning. Could the relations between Georgia be based on its ancestors of Jewish Khazar?
Israel is our friend!
Israel takes our money, and whines for more.
Israel is our ally!
Israel bombed, torpedoed, and staffed the the USS Liberty killing dozens of US Navy sailors.
Is Israel a friend?
Or is Israel a parasitic leach?
neither…."Israel" the fake Jewish nation is the creation of the Rothschild banking empire and their "friends"
Georgia launched a premeditated attack on a civilian population. Russia responded, Georgia lost.
End of story.
If Russia was not expecting a "premeditated" attack, how did they get so much armor through a single pass that quickly? Something smells fishy to me…
This is most likely nothing to do with Israel. It's much more likely to be the result of a behind-the-scenes deal between the US and Russia wherein the US stops supplying arms to Georgia in return for Russia's support in the upcoming UN Security Council vote for more sanctions against Iran.
Sources say? Any confirmation? This makes it a gossip..
We let Israel do what they want we have to pay them to stay out of war?Doesnt make sense any more.And if we stop funding them they get arms and the rest.Maybe China will supplie them now they look as the leading nation in alot of things except human rights!
I find the Israel strike theory a little far-fetched but if there are indeed 3000 israeiles in Gerogria, then something is definitely afoot. The Russians (i.e Putin, the only man that matters in Russia foreign policy) hate, hate, hate, HATE the Georgians and will never sell any arms to them until their government changes radically. It's like the US selling weapons to Chavez or Ahmadinejad. Interesting development all around.
Russians help the Persians with nuke reactors, they will have a bomb soon, and will use it. Why did we halt arms to Georgia? Alotta theories, but I really don't think the Israeli's have enough planes, ordnance, to really hurt them with 1 strike. Western intel agencies should be helping the opposition, no matter wat. REGIME CHANGE can be precipitated with help. We are gonna blow this oppurtunity, and IF there is to be a strike, it has to involve hundreds of planes, maybe even low yield nuclear weapons. YES, there it is..how are you gonna get DEEP enough to inflict the damage needed? The MOP? Maybe. Believe this, they are not gonna take that lying down..hope 4 regime change, its the last straw..
Obama can't help himself. Despite his overtures, I suspect he truly desires that Iran obtain nuclear weapons. In a matter of months, I suspect Venezuela and Cuba will also obtain nuclear weapons via Iran.
what's wrong with that?
Obama is doing everything in his power to sell out the USA. He is bowing down to china and russia every chance he get's. Anyone with half a brain knows this and we should be very afraid of the sellout Obummer is doing every day. Thanks DUMBOCRAT'S. Here's more of the change you wanted.
I have been waiting for the other shoe to drop. What was the price Obama paid Russia for opening the supply routes to the Stan? First, the missile shield of Europe is canceled. (Supposedly we will deploy land-based SM-3s in the future, right after the Israeli/Iran peace treaty) Now arms shipments to Georgia is stopped. Maybe Georgia will join Taiwan in the Club-of-US-Allies-Dumped-For-Political-Expediency. I don't believe Obama is Muslim. These days he seems to be bowing toward Moscow and Beijing.
Russia, it's clear now, will never be a firend or ally to the United States. And by never I mean as long as any of us is alive. I don't want to explain why, just take it as empirical truth. Just like existence of dark matter. China may some day become like Japan vis-a-vis the US (hopefully without us having to nuke a few of their cities). Russia will always be confrontational. Everything that has to do with foreign policy needs to take that fact into consideration.
It's entirely possible that Georgian arms help was traded for the supply transit for Afghanistan. If so, fine. We need that transit more than we need semi-crazy authoritarian rusophobic pin-head in charge of a small inconsequential nation in a middle of nowhere. Without the US help that regime will fold and hopefully somebody who knows how to live within their political means gets elected. God forbid they do join NATO.
Generally speaking the best solution would be to evacuate both Israel and Taiwan to the US. We will get several millions very educated and culutred people and save immeasurable amounts of money and grief going out into future forever. Which might happen anyway. does anyonre really think that the US will go to war with China over Taiwan? Or vice versa. Eventually Taiwan will join China on its own, and all the money we spent protecting it will be wasted. And while we are at it, do you think South Korea is ready to protect itself already? They are an economical giant and the North is a sickly gnat, buy and build your own weapons for your own soldiers. China will not pour troops in like the last time. If Seoul gets nuked, we can nuke something in the North out of sympathy, but for crying out loud take 60,000 troops out of there.
Obama talks up his Muslim back ground
If you have doubts this may change your mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#…
What happened to our fearless leaders December 31, 2009 deadline ?? I think it may be in the same basket as C-Span.
To the naysayers against Israel echoing the Judean people's front in Life of Brian, "What has Israel ever done for us?" start checking how many of US military weapons systems are reliant on Israeli tech.
As to taking your money, typical that you don't get that the Aid is conditional on Israel using it to purchase US military equipment e.g. F-16's, APC's, uniforms, kitbags and yes crummy M16's and M-4's instead of the superior Tavor bullpup.
Thanks to Israel's current PM Netanyahu the Tavor could be produced because many parts are made in the US using the Aid. Israel supports the US economy and provides all this advanced mil-tech that they develop and what do they get for it? Bleeding heart liberals, and bigots ignorant of who their allies are.
Perhaps Israel should decide to close the valve and let the US fend for themselves. Israel won't because we don't treat our friends as shabbilly as we get treated. Yes, I said we. I'm a 15 year veteran IDF infantry reservist who when he isn't fighting terror works in Israeli hi-tech.
Dear Jonny;
The USS Liberty? See Israel.
Palestinian repression. See Israel.
Israel Uber Alles? See Ashkenazi from Minsk Russia.
To hell with Israel, and the sooner the better!
I believe that the USA will get along very well without a Zionist parasite.
The parasite however keeps telling the host how it is dependent on the parasite.
Shalom!
Ok what? Um what Israeli technology do we use that helps the US economy? The only Israeli thing I got out of your post was the Tavor. Parts made in america…..so what? Work on Israeli hi-tech huh? Right.
Turkey WILL allow them to fly over – if the right palms are greased. After all, the Syrian got the hell out of their way when the first Iraqi SCUDs hit Israel and they launched their "Ready" birds – which carry nukes. The turks could use this to get European Jewsih help in getting them entry to the EU for one thing.
And, if the Israelis actually DO have 3000 IAF ground support folks in Georgia already – they already have negotiated agreements by Turkey, Russai and Azerbajan. Perhaps THAT is why this shipment was cancelled – could very well be a Russian demand the Israelis brokered. After all – that gives them the air power reach they need to take out Iranian Nuke facilities and SHAHAB-3 sites in Iran with PGMs. Avoiding nuclear war in the Middle East in exchange for cancelling US weapons sales to Georgia – that's not a bad trade folks.
No matter what the current administration does and some people here say, Israel, like Britian, is one of our closest and respected friends. We deal with terror from afar, Israel deals with it every day. Israel also shares her technology with us and we mutually develop many weapon systems.
If anyone is interested in the hi-tech side of Israel, they should check out the book "Spies, Inc".
It is an awesome book on Israel and it's innovations. A quote from the back cover says, "When you're outgunned, when you're outnumbered 100 to 1, you have two choices: innovate and improvise. Or die."
God bless Israel.
You have obviously just drank a big glass of the US Government's ( support Israel ) brand of Kool Aid.
There are lots of Palestinians that don't agree with you.
Israel is an outlaw state that is supported by only one country.
Just why is that?
Wow… I didn't think Ahmadinejad posted on American sites! I know, you had to take a break from beating down your people and wanted to post online, that's cool. You probably get most of the bandwith now that you have blocked your people from using the web…
Let me guess, you really didn't say "to hell with Israel". Your Farsi to english translator was defective… You said "they must vanish from the front page of Time…."
Ahh… Your just upset that Israel is the chosen of God and your allies are a descendant from Abraham's servant girl. That whole favorite son thing has got you down… Don't worry, you keep demanding your nukes, you just might get them someday…
Everyone is ffixated on an aircraft strike. Israel has Jericho II IRBM's that can reach any point in Iran. A one kiloton nuke detonated at 300 feet below the surface will pretty well destroy any bunker known to God or man. Minimal radiation and collatral damage.
Iran is tugging on the wrong cape.
HAHAHAHAHA 15 year IDF reservist that works in the tech industry?
How about where Israel gets most of that technology it developed?
By stealing it from their great ally the USofA of course.
How does me handing someone MY money and then having them BUY something from me with MY money help me?
Learn economics, and not your hair brained theory economics either.
Israel is being shown for the scam that they are…
A "nation" set up to cause turmoil so that agendas could be furthered.
The IDF is tough when its shooting women in children i get it dont worry.
Israel is a leech on the American Nation… all members of AIPAC and any other lobbying group should be tried for treason against the American Government and People…
"Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto."
Thomas Jefferson
And
"An injured friend is the bitterest of foes."
Thomas Jefferson
So let Israel survive without AMERICAN money see how far it goes… see how long till it HAS to cozy up to China or Russia.
Let them cry, bitch, and moan like they always do… Pfftt Samson Option… USS LIBERTY…. And the Dancing Israelis… Pfft some friend and ally.