Comments on: Brits Getting into the 7.62 vs 5.56 debate http://defensetech.org/2010/01/08/brits-getting-into-the-7-62-vs-5-56-debate/ The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security Sat, 26 May 2012 06:20:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Monster Beats Cheap http://defensetech.org/2010/01/08/brits-getting-into-the-7-62-vs-5-56-debate/#comment-273195 Monster Beats Cheap Mon, 21 May 2012 16:59:30 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5377#comment-273195 Normally, your content is really the top on this subject renown field. When i remain in your own findings which will thirstily wait for your updates. Basically expression thanks won't be adequate, on your fantastic lucidity into your publishing. Let me right away ****** any rss feed to keep privy of the up-dates. Reliable job and much good results in your own organization business! Normally, your content is really the top on this subject renown field. When i remain in your own findings which will thirstily wait for your updates. Basically expression thanks won’t be adequate, on your fantastic lucidity into your publishing. Let me right away ****** any rss feed to keep privy of the up-dates. Reliable job and much good results in your own organization business!

]]> By: ct man http://defensetech.org/2010/01/08/brits-getting-into-the-7-62-vs-5-56-debate/#comment-267649 ct man Sun, 15 Apr 2012 21:44:28 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5377#comment-267649 i have ar15 in 556 new from factory just ordered same in 762 x39 have shot this round in sks loved it but like ar platform better state law here no aks so hope to find out soon which 1 favorite i have ar15 in 556 new from factory just ordered same in 762 x39 have shot this round in sks loved it but like ar platform better state law here no aks so hope to find out soon which 1 favorite

]]> By: Glenn Southerland http://defensetech.org/2010/01/08/brits-getting-into-the-7-62-vs-5-56-debate/#comment-260935 Glenn Southerland Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:46:52 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5377#comment-260935 The 7.62 NATO round is larger than the AK-47's 7.62X39mm round though. it just means it is a bigger round. its not really the size of the round that matters its how much power its carrying behind it. Up the grain in 5.56mm and put a hollow-point tip on it this round will have just as much power as the 7.62. The 5.56mm carries much more speed than the 7.62mm which leads to greater risk of over penetration. When the round goes through the body its not doing as much damage as it would have if it were to lodge itself in the person, this is why the 7.62 is a great choice becuase with the 7.62mm even if the round penetrates the target and goes through and through the round will leave a much larver exit wound meaning much more tissue and nerve damage than the 5.56mm round would do. The 5.56 has its benefits but in terrain such as Afghanistan the 7.62 NATO round would reighn superior. As for the 7.62X39mm being shot out of the AK it is not the best round. If the round were placed in another weapon such as a PTR-91KF series this round would do much better making it a superior choice over the AK. Its not always the round, sometimes its the gun shooting it. The 7.62 NATO round is larger than the AK-47’s 7.62X39mm round though. it just means it is a bigger round. its not really the size of the round that matters its how much power its carrying behind it. Up the grain in 5.56mm and put a hollow-point tip on it this round will have just as much power as the 7.62. The 5.56mm carries much more speed than the 7.62mm which leads to greater risk of over penetration. When the round goes through the body its not doing as much damage as it would have if it were to lodge itself in the person, this is why the 7.62 is a great choice becuase with the 7.62mm even if the round penetrates the target and goes through and through the round will leave a much larver exit wound meaning much more tissue and nerve damage than the 5.56mm round would do. The 5.56 has its benefits but in terrain such as Afghanistan the 7.62 NATO round would reighn superior. As for the 7.62X39mm being shot out of the AK it is not the best round. If the round were placed in another weapon such as a PTR-91KF series this round would do much better making it a superior choice over the AK. Its not always the round, sometimes its the gun shooting it.

]]> By: PMI http://defensetech.org/2010/01/08/brits-getting-into-the-7-62-vs-5-56-debate/#comment-245916 PMI Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:06:21 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5377#comment-245916 Damnit I should pay more attention to the age of some of these threads. Damnit I should pay more attention to the age of some of these threads.

]]> By: PMI http://defensetech.org/2010/01/08/brits-getting-into-the-7-62-vs-5-56-debate/#comment-245915 PMI Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:05:17 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5377#comment-245915 Beyond 200 yards 5.56x45 retains more energy than 7.62x39 due to the superior ballistic coefficient. Beyond 200 yards 5.56x45 retains more energy than 7.62x39 due to the superior ballistic coefficient.

]]> By: Tvaroh http://defensetech.org/2010/01/08/brits-getting-into-the-7-62-vs-5-56-debate/#comment-245906 Tvaroh Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:21:10 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5377#comment-245906 L129A1 a good idea, why? 7.62 mm vs. 5.56 mm = 7.62 winner !!!!!!!!!!!!! DMG + range + accuracy + look cool. : D bullpup design (SA80) is unreliable, difficult, ugly, weak, and they range! + DMG is the shit! : D L129A1 is a great idea! In battle is better!! L129A1 a good idea, why?
7.62 mm vs. 5.56 mm = 7.62 winner !!!!!!!!!!!!!
DMG + range + accuracy + look cool.
: D
bullpup design (SA80) is unreliable, difficult, ugly, weak, and they range! + DMG is the shit!
: D
L129A1 is a great idea! In battle is better!!

]]> By: Samuel Dighan http://defensetech.org/2010/01/08/brits-getting-into-the-7-62-vs-5-56-debate/#comment-225146 Samuel Dighan Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:57:59 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5377#comment-225146 The 5.56 is to rifles and carbines what the 9mm is to handguns. Most LE have concluded 40 S&W to be superior to 9mm. The handgun debate is now on 45 ACP (stopping power) versus 40 S&W (capacity + power). Regarding rifle rounds, I'd choose the 7.62x51 (.308) or x39 any day over 5.56 (.223) for a LE or home defence situation. If I had to worry about providing suppressing fire, weapon control while full-auto, AND humping around a full load for an entire day, 5.56 MIGHT win. Army support logistics would need completely re-evaluated for squads w/ 7.62. Right now might not be a good time for that. However providing 7.62 (distance) and 12 gauge shotgun (house-to-house) to our troops would be optimal. The right tool for the right job every time is what they deserve, but improvise/adapt/overcome is the reality. The 5.56 is to rifles and carbines what the 9mm is to handguns. Most LE have concluded 40 S&W to be superior to 9mm. The handgun debate is now on 45 ACP (stopping power) versus 40 S&W (capacity + power).

Regarding rifle rounds, I’d choose the 7.62x51 (.308) or x39 any day over 5.56 (.223) for a LE or home defence situation. If I had to worry about providing suppressing fire, weapon control while full-auto, AND humping around a full load for an entire day, 5.56 MIGHT win.

Army support logistics would need completely re-evaluated for squads w/ 7.62. Right now might not be a good time for that. However providing 7.62 (distance) and 12 gauge shotgun (house-to-house) to our troops would be optimal. The right tool for the right job every time is what they deserve, but improvise/adapt/overcome is the reality.

]]> By: mark http://defensetech.org/2010/01/08/brits-getting-into-the-7-62-vs-5-56-debate/#comment-206929 mark Tue, 20 Jul 2010 02:48:58 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5377#comment-206929 GRENDEL! Sorry. the SA 80 is anecdotally effective at circa 500, 550 metres. The most accurate basic service rifle going, i belive. Thoughts this side of the pond include something like 7mm with extra power charge, maybe even 6.5mm with extra charge. Who knows. Most british procurement involves looking long, lovingly and hard at what works: then choosing the **** option. GRENDEL!
Sorry. the SA 80 is anecdotally effective at circa 500, 550 metres. The most accurate basic service rifle going, i belive.
Thoughts this side of the pond include something like 7mm with extra power charge, maybe even 6.5mm with extra charge.
Who knows. Most british procurement involves looking long, lovingly and hard at what works: then choosing the **** option.

]]> By: jay http://defensetech.org/2010/01/08/brits-getting-into-the-7-62-vs-5-56-debate/#comment-201029 jay Wed, 19 May 2010 22:48:35 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5377#comment-201029 The person that wrote the article is a bit confused I think. QUOTE: "It means insurgents – who use 7.62mm ammunition for their AK47s – back off and shoot at British troops from greater distances." The 7.62x39(ak round)is not going out distance the 5.56 and be used as some kind of standoff sniper rifle. The AK has many strengths and is certainly well known for is reliability and durability but it has never been been an accurate flat shooting sniper like rifle. The 7.62x51(.308) like the L1A1, M14, or G3 will out distance the 5.56(especially with a 20" barrel), but the 7.62x39(ak round) is not the same as the 7.62x51 The person that wrote the article is a bit confused I think.
QUOTE: “It means insurgents – who use 7.62mm ammunition for their AK47s – back off and shoot at British troops from greater distances.”

The 7.62x39(ak round)is not going out distance the 5.56 and be used as some kind of standoff sniper rifle. The AK has many strengths and is certainly well known for is reliability and durability but it has never been been an accurate flat shooting sniper like rifle.
The 7.62x51(.308) like the L1A1, M14, or G3 will out distance the 5.56(especially with a 20″ barrel), but the 7.62x39(ak round) is not the same as the 7.62x51

]]> By: death http://defensetech.org/2010/01/08/brits-getting-into-the-7-62-vs-5-56-debate/#comment-197801 death Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:10:30 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5377#comment-197801 Everyone hates the 5.56x45mm but what about the, 7.62x39 Does ANYONE know why NOBODY complns about it? BECAUSE THERE ALL DEAD! Everyone hates the 5.56x45mm but what about the, 7.62x39 Does ANYONE know why NOBODY complns about it? BECAUSE THERE ALL DEAD!

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