Comments on: Sea Drones in the Works http://defensetech.org/2010/02/08/sea-drones-in-the-works/ The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security Sat, 26 May 2012 06:20:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ohwilleke http://defensetech.org/2010/02/08/sea-drones-in-the-works/#comment-194022 ohwilleke Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:15:20 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5622#comment-194022 Indeed, aircraft (even carrier based aircraft) could do a lot that we have ships do now. For example, Orions would make good alternatives to cruisers and destroys as ways to deploy cruise missiles. The advantage is particularly great if you have multiple regional wars going on in a fairly compressed time frame. An Orion is much easier to move from one theater of war to another on short notice than a ship. Indeed, aircraft (even carrier based aircraft) could do a lot that we have ships do now. For example, Orions would make good alternatives to cruisers and destroys as ways to deploy cruise missiles. The advantage is particularly great if you have multiple regional wars going on in a fairly compressed time frame. An Orion is much easier to move from one theater of war to another on short notice than a ship.

]]> By: Valcan http://defensetech.org/2010/02/08/sea-drones-in-the-works/#comment-193938 Valcan Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:43:01 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5622#comment-193938 LOL, Ok first wheres my flying car. You know the thing i was saw on tv they said i would have by 1995. With large surface ships my veiw is pretty much they will never be unmanned. One is because people would rather have them in the loop. Another is do you really want to offer china a run at hacking into a 9 billion (which is how much they would cost at a minimum just for a frigate) dollar ship. Also theres the fact as others have pointed out maintanence. We are nowhere near what would be needed to fix all the problems that go wrong on a ship. However, I can see them being used in other area's. Such as sub detection. Have a ship could be a upgraded cargo ship really its job is to service, deploy, operate, and monitor up to 10 to 15 small unmanned submarines. These would come equiped with sonar that can operate as a group. Maybe even be able to deploy hundreds of sonar arrays that can sit on the ocean floor and monitor traffic sending up the signal if they spot a sub or possible warship. Ships will continue to get smaller crew (which i know why everyone wants but i disagree with it for multiple reasons). But as for entirely unmanned. I just dont see. LOL,

Ok first wheres my flying car. You know the thing i was saw on tv they said i would have by 1995.

With large surface ships my veiw is pretty much they will never be unmanned. One is because people would rather have them in the loop. Another is do you really want to offer china a run at hacking into a 9 billion (which is how much they would cost at a minimum just for a frigate) dollar ship. Also theres the fact as others have pointed out maintanence. We are nowhere near what would be needed to fix all the problems that go wrong on a ship.

However, I can see them being used in other area’s. Such as sub detection. Have a ship could be a upgraded cargo ship really its job is to service, deploy, operate, and monitor up to 10 to 15 small unmanned submarines. These would come equiped with sonar that can operate as a group. Maybe even be able to deploy hundreds of sonar arrays that can sit on the ocean floor and monitor traffic sending up the signal if they spot a sub or possible warship.

Ships will continue to get smaller crew (which i know why everyone wants but i disagree with it for multiple reasons). But as for entirely unmanned. I just dont see.

]]> By: DualityOfMan http://defensetech.org/2010/02/08/sea-drones-in-the-works/#comment-193948 DualityOfMan Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:13:13 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5622#comment-193948 I thought this was going to be about drones launched from subs. Because of maintenance concerns, I doubt that unmanned ships will be here soon. The Soviet Alfa-class submarine had 30 crew and the 1990s Arsenal Ship proposal would have had 50 crew. That seems much more practical than unmanned ships. A possible exception would be small missile boats (like the Soviet Osa or the old American hydrofoil) that small and don't go very far. I thought this was going to be about drones launched from subs.
Because of maintenance concerns, I doubt that unmanned ships will be here soon.
The Soviet Alfa-class submarine had 30 crew and the 1990s Arsenal Ship proposal would have had 50 crew. That seems much more practical than unmanned ships.

A possible exception would be small missile boats (like the Soviet Osa or the old American hydrofoil) that small and don’t go very far.

]]> By: ohwilleke http://defensetech.org/2010/02/08/sea-drones-in-the-works/#comment-193946 ohwilleke Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:47:56 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5622#comment-193946 If it is possible to have a modified frigate run unmanned, why do the ordinary variety take hundreds of crew members? Why can one retrofit an exist frigate to run with a skeleton crew? Why does it take a ship this big to tail a submarine? I would think one would need something in the hundreds of tons, not the thousands of tons, for this assignment. If the modified frigate was to carry a full suite of cruise missiles, three inch guns and torpedoes of the original, it might need to be that big, but it isn't clear that the modified version is to have any major offensive armament. Why build a surface drone rather than a submarine drone for this mission? One of the problems with a drone is that it can be boarded. If it is possible to have a modified frigate run unmanned, why do the ordinary variety take hundreds of crew members? Why can one retrofit an exist frigate to run with a skeleton crew?

Why does it take a ship this big to tail a submarine? I would think one would need something in the hundreds of tons, not the thousands of tons, for this assignment. If the modified frigate was to carry a full suite of cruise missiles, three inch guns and torpedoes of the original, it might need to be that big, but it isn’t clear that the modified version is to have any major offensive armament.

Why build a surface drone rather than a submarine drone for this mission? One of the problems with a drone is that it can be boarded.

]]> By: DualityOfMan http://defensetech.org/2010/02/08/sea-drones-in-the-works/#comment-193943 DualityOfMan Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:38:44 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5622#comment-193943 Or launch (manned) airplanes. Or launch (manned) airplanes.

]]> By: Valcan http://defensetech.org/2010/02/08/sea-drones-in-the-works/#comment-193936 Valcan Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:24:02 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5622#comment-193936 Was that a jk or are you being sarcastic? Cause if not..... Was that a jk or are you being sarcastic? Cause if not.….

]]> By: anthony http://defensetech.org/2010/02/08/sea-drones-in-the-works/#comment-193928 anthony Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:55:47 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5622#comment-193928 Yep wars or disputes will be monitered from space as now. Yep wars or disputes will be monitered from space as now.

]]> By: Mark http://defensetech.org/2010/02/08/sea-drones-in-the-works/#comment-193897 Mark Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:08:15 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5622#comment-193897 I respectfully remind anyone with contract or signature authority that before funding such an effort, that they take a carefull read of Dr. Kurt Goedel's 'Incompleteness Theorm' and the corollary. Any Takers? I respectfully remind anyone with contract or signature authority that before funding such an effort, that they take a carefull read of Dr. Kurt Goedel’s ‘Incompleteness Theorm’ and the corollary. Any Takers?

]]> By: Kirk http://defensetech.org/2010/02/08/sea-drones-in-the-works/#comment-193896 Kirk Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:33:09 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5622#comment-193896 I remember a story I read a while back where mankind had built totally robotic armies. When it came time to fight armageddon and everything was laid waste, God came and took the robots to heaven to prove mans stupidity and arrogance. While I personally dont have a problem with robotic help, going to all robotic systems just makes it a big game to me. Oh, SkyNet anyone ? I remember a story I read a while back where mankind had built totally robotic armies. When it came time to fight armageddon and everything was laid waste, God came and took the robots to heaven to prove mans stupidity and arrogance.
While I personally dont have a problem with robotic help, going to all robotic systems just makes it a big game to me. Oh, SkyNet anyone ?

]]> By: roland http://defensetech.org/2010/02/08/sea-drones-in-the-works/#comment-193892 roland Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:40:14 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=5622#comment-193892 How about a drone sub-ship? With the ability to cruise the world and destroy enemy sub and ship. And has the capability as a ship and sub at the same time. And can destroy a rougue/ evil enemy on land. With all wizzle and bizzles. How about a drone sub-ship? With the ability to cruise the world and destroy enemy sub and ship. And has the capability as a ship and sub at the same time. And can destroy a rougue/ evil enemy on land. With all wizzle and bizzles.

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