Comments on: Cancel Cyber Command http://defensetech.org/2010/03/08/cancel-cyber-command/ The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:05:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ptsfphttp://defensetech.org/2010/03/08/cancel-cyber-command/#comment-195609 Ptsfp Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:41:30 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6041#comment-195609 The British had a scary thought about cyberwar in a recent Timesonline article: "The threats and scenarios of cyberwar require some sideways thinking. British assessments conclude, for example, that the risk of a serious attack in this country is still lower than that of a flu pandemic — but that a flu pandemic would be a lot worse if combined with an attack on NHS computer systems involved in vaccine distribution." - <a href="http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article7053270.ece" target="_blank">http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech...</a> The combination of a natural disaster, epidemic, or military invasion with cyber attacks would be very disruptive indeed... Ptsfp cyberarms.wordpress.com The British had a scary thought about cyberwar in a recent Timesonline article:

“The threats and scenarios of cyberwar require some sideways thinking. British assessments conclude, for example, that the risk of a serious attack in this country is still lower than that of a flu pandemic — but that a flu pandemic would be a lot worse if combined with an attack on NHS computer systems involved in vaccine distribution.” — http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech…

The combination of a natural disaster, epidemic, or military invasion with cyber attacks would be very disruptive indeed…

Ptsfp
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]]> By: KevinInTachttp://defensetech.org/2010/03/08/cancel-cyber-command/#comment-195592 KevinInTac Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:34:36 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6041#comment-195592 I keep telling people if a computer is hooked to the Internet it can be hacked, sooner or later someone will do it. Don't care what kind of software, somebody will find a way around it or a hole in it, and then the nightmare begins. My computer is the heart of my Business and I use a simple system, Two computers one hooked to the net and one which is not. Anything from the secure machine is transferred via cd to the internet machine, no outside cds or software are loaded on the secure machine, no cds from the internet machine are ever loaded on the secure machine, no USB drives or Zip drives are allowed in the office. Hackers have toasted a couple of my internet computers, but after the first time it hasn't cost me any more business. I keep telling people if a computer is hooked to the Internet it can be hacked, sooner or later someone will do it. Don’t care what kind of software, somebody will find a way around it or a hole in it, and then the nightmare begins.
My computer is the heart of my Business and I use a simple system, Two computers one hooked to the net and one which is not. Anything from the secure machine is transferred via cd to the internet machine, no outside cds or software are loaded on the secure machine, no cds from the internet machine are ever loaded on the secure machine, no USB drives or Zip drives are allowed in the office. Hackers have toasted a couple of my internet computers, but after the first time it hasn’t cost me any more business.

]]> By: KevinInTachttp://defensetech.org/2010/03/08/cancel-cyber-command/#comment-195589 KevinInTac Wed, 10 Mar 2010 04:56:24 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6041#comment-195589 Where does Obama and crew find these people, a first year IT student would have more of a clue than Mr. Schmidt does. Lets see water as you mentioned, power grid, telecom systems, computer control systems for simply scads of industrial plants (chemical and oil refineries top the list for me, Bopal India ring any bells?), Automated Landing systems at airports, and the list go on right down to your laptop sitting on your desk. 10,000 little hackers with a good set of lets say Chinese Mil Spec hack software and let say they go after something soft like all the computer controlled traffic lights in major cities...... Even with a 1% rate of success it would be a major mess, and this clown thinks we are good to go on this and he doesn't see why anyone would even try! This so not funny, anyone for a cyber 9/11? Where does Obama and crew find these people, a first year IT student would have more of a clue than Mr. Schmidt does. Lets see water as you mentioned, power grid, telecom systems, computer control systems for simply scads of industrial plants (chemical and oil refineries top the list for me, Bopal India ring any bells?), Automated Landing systems at airports, and the list go on right down to your laptop sitting on your desk. 10,000 little hackers with a good set of lets say Chinese Mil Spec hack software and let say they go after something soft like all the computer controlled traffic lights in major cities.….. Even with a 1% rate of success it would be a major mess, and this clown thinks we are good to go on this and he doesn’t see why anyone would even try! This so not funny, anyone for a cyber 9/11?

]]> By: Sal Palmahttp://defensetech.org/2010/03/08/cancel-cyber-command/#comment-195582 Sal Palma Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:28:13 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6041#comment-195582 Mr. Schmidt's comments are cavalier at best and point more towards the uninformed. There is not a piece of intelligence, tactical, logistic and financial data that does not touch a TCP/IP network at some Mr. Schmidt should have spent some time chatting with the Cold War, ELINT, crowd to gain a better understanding for being at the receiving end of a CCCP barrage jamming session. The entire RF spectrum was denied. It was not a particularly sophisticated approach, but it was done at such power and frequency shifting that for all intents and purposes you were denied access to the spectrum. Today's military is increasingly net centric and command and control is at risk from cyber-attacks. Our National Security depends on a comprehensive strategy to preempt, detect and counter cyber-attacks. The problem is further amplified by the outsourcing of technology to cheap labor markets. You can rest assured that China, India and other industrialized nations are investing heavily in cyber countermeasures. Wake up Mr. Schmidt! Mr. Schmidt’s comments are cavalier at best and point more towards the uninformed. There is not a piece of intelligence, tactical, logistic and financial data that does not touch a TCP/IP network at some Mr. Schmidt should have spent some time chatting with the Cold War, ELINT, crowd to gain a better understanding for being at the receiving end of a CCCP barrage jamming session. The entire RF spectrum was denied. It was not a particularly sophisticated approach, but it was done at such power and frequency shifting that for all intents and purposes you were denied access to the spectrum.
Today’s military is increasingly net centric and command and control is at risk from cyber-attacks. Our National Security depends on a comprehensive strategy to preempt, detect and counter cyber-attacks. The problem is further amplified by the outsourcing of technology to cheap labor markets.
You can rest assured that China, India and other industrialized nations are investing heavily in cyber countermeasures.
Wake up Mr. Schmidt!

]]> By: Byron Skinnerhttp://defensetech.org/2010/03/08/cancel-cyber-command/#comment-195576 Byron Skinner Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:21:13 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6041#comment-195576 Good Morning Folks,To poster who questioned what agencies do what, it really doesn't matter. Cyber command is a Military Organization thus subject to the provision of the "Posse Comitatus Act" and follow up laws that restricts the Militaries ability to operate in the United States and its territories.The courts would have to assume that any non military group either Federal or non Federal would be operating under Military Jurisdiction. This of course would make any prosecution nearly impossible.Now we could go to a system like the UK has where a non judicial warrant can be issued as in the case of the UK by the Home Officer (HOW) which is not part of the judicial system and let the courts decide what selective evidence can or can't be used in a trial.It is of note that since 1909 and the enactment of this warrant that most people involved in violations of the "Official Secrets Act" engaging in espionage or attempted sabotage have not gone to trial, even during the two World Wars. Trials usually are reserved for issues that involve actual espionage, an event of sabotage, or the killing of a military or governmental official where, the death penalty was a factor.The max. penalty in the UK for this type of offense is 25 years but is very negotiable.ALLONS, Byron Skinner Good Morning Folks,

To poster who questioned what agencies do what, it really doesn’t matter. Cyber command is a Military Organization thus subject to the provision of the “Posse Comitatus Act” and follow up laws that restricts the Militaries ability to operate in the United States and its territories.

The courts would have to assume that any non military group either Federal or non Federal would be operating under Military Jurisdiction. This of course would make any prosecution nearly impossible.

Now we could go to a system like the UK has where a non judicial warrant can be issued as in the case of the UK by the Home Officer (HOW) which is not part of the judicial system and let the courts decide what selective evidence can or can’t be used in a trial.

It is of note that since 1909 and the enactment of this warrant that most people involved in violations of the “Official Secrets Act” engaging in espionage or attempted sabotage have not gone to trial, even during the two World Wars. Trials usually are reserved for issues that involve actual espionage, an event of sabotage, or the killing of a military or governmental official where, the death penalty was a factor.

The max. penalty in the UK for this type of offense is 25 years but is very negotiable.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

]]> By: Skysoldier592http://defensetech.org/2010/03/08/cancel-cyber-command/#comment-195574 Skysoldier592 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:56:21 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6041#comment-195574 who's watching "the watchers?" who’s watching “the watchers?”

]]> By: Robby Schimelpfeninghttp://defensetech.org/2010/03/08/cancel-cyber-command/#comment-195571 Robby Schimelpfening Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:20:42 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6041#comment-195571 Read the fine print. U.S. Cyber Command is not mandated to protect civilian infrastructure from cyber attack. It is designed to protect military networks from cyber attack. The only time Cyber Command would conceivably get involved in civilian network defense in the U.S. is AFTER some sort of Cyber Attack has taken place, and only at the request of civil authorities and authorized by the President or Secretary of Defense. It works the same way military involvement in Katrina did: military cannot act until civil authorities request help and it is authorized by SECDEF/President. If civil authorities never ask for help, or ask too late, the military can prepare all they want but they can't act. Read the fine print. U.S. Cyber Command is not mandated to protect civilian infrastructure from cyber attack. It is designed to protect military networks from cyber attack. The only time Cyber Command would conceivably get involved in civilian network defense in the U.S. is AFTER some sort of Cyber Attack has taken place, and only at the request of civil authorities and authorized by the President or Secretary of Defense. It works the same way military involvement in Katrina did: military cannot act until civil authorities request help and it is authorized by SECDEF/President. If civil authorities never ask for help, or ask too late, the military can prepare all they want but they can’t act.

]]> By: Patriot78http://defensetech.org/2010/03/08/cancel-cyber-command/#comment-195570 Patriot78 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:56:38 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6041#comment-195570 Thanks! Thanks!

]]> By: Ptsfphttp://defensetech.org/2010/03/08/cancel-cyber-command/#comment-195569 Ptsfp Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:46:17 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6041#comment-195569 I truly believe that it is a political statement. This is Obama's boy remember. When Obama came into office, the first thing that he did in the name of Political corrrectness was to kill the term "Global War on Terror". He claimed that we were not in a global war on terror and that the term rubbed some of our "allies" the wrong way. So he renamed it the "Overseas Contingency Operation" it is much less intimidating to terrorists, I mean certain allies... So in honor of Mr. Schmidt, we shall remove the term "Cyberwar" and rename it the "Internet Police Action", err, "Online correction of wayward youths", how about the Electronic Contingencty Operation, umm... I truly believe that it is a political statement. This is Obama’s boy remember. When Obama came into office, the first thing that he did in the name of Political corrrectness was to kill the term “Global War on Terror”.

He claimed that we were not in a global war on terror and that the term rubbed some of our “allies” the wrong way. So he renamed it the “Overseas Contingency Operation” it is much less intimidating to terrorists, I mean certain allies…

So in honor of Mr. Schmidt, we shall remove the term “Cyberwar” and rename it the “Internet Police Action”, err, “Online correction of wayward youths”, how about the Electronic Contingencty Operation, umm…

]]> By: someguyhttp://defensetech.org/2010/03/08/cancel-cyber-command/#comment-195568 someguy Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:42:42 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6041#comment-195568 Byron, it really helps if you know what agencies and organizations (including the military) do what. I mean, otherwise, you sound very official and in-the-know. Michael P, I'll say just this: a cyber war, just like a conventional one, doesn't need an exchange so much as it needs an aggressor and a victim. Byron, it really helps if you know what agencies and organizations (including the military) do what. I mean, otherwise, you sound very official and in-the-know.

Michael P, I’ll say just this: a cyber war, just like a conventional one, doesn’t need an exchange so much as it needs an aggressor and a victim.

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