I was on a conference call last week with JIEDDO commander Lt. Gen. Michael Oates, who discussed IED networks in Afghanistan, where IED attacks have doubled over the past year. While Oates was careful not to reveal much in the way of breaking news, he provided some interesting detail on the bomb networks in Afghanistan.
Bomb networks in Afghanistan differ somewhat from those in Iraq. Iraqi IED cells were largely funded by Saddam Hussein loyalists and sympathetic Sunnis in the Arab Gulf states. Bomb emplacers were the disenfranchised and the unemployed and most bombs were randomly placed. As an intelligence officer in Baghdad once told me, an emplacer would simply walk out his front door and drop a bomb onto the highway.
In Afghanistan, the networks have “almost a military-style organizational structure,” with top level direction of IED placement. Bomb emplacers follow directives from the “chain of command,” and the emplacers are usually trained fighters. “There’s a direction for where they should be emplaced, and the order is given and they’re emplaced,” he said.
I asked Oates about the Haqqani network, the military’s most lethal foe in Afghanistan; Bill Roggio of the long War Journal labels the Haqqani network “al Qaeda’s Afghan branch.” Oates said the Haqqani network was the “senior” Taliban faction operating in Afghanistan and it’s signature bomb is the “potassium chlorate-based homemade explosive.”
This cruder, more “homemade,” aspect is the big difference between IEDs in Afghanistan and those encountered in Iraq. Iraqi IEDs typically used military grade explosives and insurgents there widely used the explosively formed penetrator (EFP) shaped charge device. Afghan IEDs are much cruder devices, using commercially available fertilizer, potassium chlorate and ammonium nitrate, as accelerants. Triggering is typically rudimentary, mostly pressure plate or trip wires, with a few remotely detonated.
While Taliban IEDs are less sophisticated, because most roads are dirt, the insurgents are able to deep bury very large bombs that can destroy the most heavily armored vehicles with huge underbelly blasts. The lack of metallic components in those IEDs also makes them more difficult to detect. The military has been outfitting more vehicles with the simple, yet effective, mine roller.
One solution JIEDDO is trying out, is to set up telescoping poles with cameras on top to establish “persistent surveillance” on the more heavily trafficked dirty roads. The major obstacle to that effort is transportation, Oates said, getting the gear into Afghanistan and maintaining it. He said cameras mounted on blimps will also be used, as they were in Baghdad.
Oates is trying to beef up forensics inspection of the bombs themselves so as to track them back to specific bomb makers, an approach that proved effective in Iraq.
– Greg











{ 58 comments… read them below or add one }
Good piece. The only relevant point I would add is that steps are beig taken to cutt down the availability of potassiun chloride (which is all imported) See Wired's Danger Room for a recent article.
Potassium (Chlorate) not Chloride is a substitute for Potassium Nitrate (Salt Peter) which in conjunction with Sulfer and charcoal were the original ingrediants for "Black" Gun Powder.
Sgt.Mac,
My era of warfare was during the early 60's where just the sight of a Cobra
in the Air was a sence of relief on the ground. You'll pardon me as my memory is shot in the brain. I'm troubled by the fact, we have no F18's in the
Air. What the heck are we doing there? Do we not have Air Support? I truly
don't know our objective. But, it can't be to win. Or can it?
well sir as a marine currently deployed in afghanistan i can tell you that the sight of a cobra is still a big sign of relief. taliban are not stupid the know when air comes the they wont live if they shoot. air is always on call. f18s are not as big of a use as cobras are now because its so much harder to have a building blown up but air is deffinatly avalible
Sgt. Mac,
I’m a retired Marine of 27 years, come from the Infantry side of the house. As per your question if we have Air Support, your answer is yes and it is used significantly. One thing to keep in mind, this isn’t the place to discuss the denisty of the support available and whatever it may be, they can’t be Johnny on the Spot for each and every event; however, if the boys on the ground need them and they make the call. They will be there!
also sgt. the big issue over here in a chemical compound ANAL(aluminum nitrate and Aluminum powder) which is not out lawed in the provience of Helmand and is the main ingredient in most IEDs
The biggest problem is trying to prevent the materials from going to Haqqani Network which resides in Pakistan. They can get the materials in Pakistan and bring them across and pre-assemble the components before coming across to emplace them. I wonder if vibration sensors would be effective to detect possible emplacement on the roads.
That is hilarious, limit the availability of Potassium Chloride, the switch to Sodium Chloride should not be a difficult one. You have in effect solved nothing, the process is largely identical making Sodium Chloride to Sodium Chlorate.
Interestingly the complete roadway surveillance is what the Soviets attempted in their day. They used to remove/blow up a 100 mines/ieds every day.
And still lost.
Not so much because of ieds/mines but because of helicopter losses. But still, the fact remains…
Ironically, helicopters are still the weakest link in our effort as it was for the Soviets. If we were loosing helicopters at the rate the Russians did then we'd loose too.
Point being you can't dominate every aspect of warfare 100% pick your fights, and be willing to adjust. When IED's become ineffective lets hope they don't break out left over ADA, or break out RPG-29's.
The (at the time) Soviet Union poured countless resources into Afghanistan, and yes, still lost. Their loss was due to their treatment of non-combatants. If the Soviets found that ambushers came from a certain village, they brutally extracted revenge on that village – weather or not their victims had knowledge or culpability in the attack. In short order, the vast majority of Afghans turned on the Soviets; the rest as they say is history.
Yes, deterent measures are being taken, but I still think we can do more.
set up telescoping poles with cameras on top to establish “persistent surveillance” on the more heavily trafficked dirty roadsWith technoogy today and satillites. This seems primative compare to the technology we have today. How about satillites and GPS to monitor the main traffic roads from a safe command post.
There are too many IEDs exploding at will, and too many our troops are dying or crippled for life.
That all I have to say.
My son leaves in April or May for Afghanistan (3rd tour)
God Bless our troops
Simper Fidelis
May God bless and protect your son, and all our military personnel in harm's way.
For those wanting to support personnel, they may go to AdoptAPlatoon's website. They thoroughly check out those wanting to send packages, and we asked for the Marine platoon that deployed just before Christmas, 2009. My class of 14, in a private school, were sent the information for 20 Marines in Afghanistan. My students are so excited to be sending goodies and moral support to them.
My reason for chosing them is because I spent 10+ years as a Marine's wife during Vietnam. He had two tours over there, and I want these young protectors of our Freedom to be better treated than those fighters were. I sent packages to my husband, and of course he shared with his men. Our Marines today appreciate it as much as they did.
Semper Fi to all.
Bev
God love em.
I tried to re-up. The recruiting Seargent told me, he would be proud to sign me up. Apparently it had something to do with my age.(DOB:1947) I said,
"So what," my marker is coming up soon any damn way. I just assume die
for my country, than sit at home unemployable and wither on the vine.
Simper-Fi
Tell your son Thank you!
Semper Fi Devil-Dog!
Chris <–married 2 a Marine
Both of my sons are Marines. My older son is leaving for the 'stan same time as yours. The IED's are what scare me the most. Tell your son thank you for his service and be safe.
How about using Predator drones to just blow up the perps as they do their emplacements.
Yea, just have a couple patrol the road – at night if possible – mark and just watch where they go home then blow 'em up. If there is one Predator there should be 100 more (good way to get people working). 'til then, when they get orders for a mission a predator should be eyeing the trail.
That is very funny, cut down on Potassium Chloride. If the network is producing the Potassium Chlorate themselves, what is to prevent them from using Sodium Chloride to Produce Sodium Chlorate? The differences in manufacture are small and the end result is very similar. Reducing the availability of the base chlorides is useless.
God Bless our Troops! It is through the power of prayer, training and the strength provided by their mothers encouragement "packages" that they return home to us.
Yes, my son is in Afganistan. Serving in a route clearance unit with six months left. Our boys need your support and encouragement. They are still standing tall and looking good. Go ARMY!
very complex problem/difficult to solve…and eod cant fix everything…so-someone mentioned satillites??? talk about a tool we need to utilize more often…and, Derrick, thank you, your family, and most of all your dear son for his service to this great country of ours. America still has hero's-and your son is one of mine. Tell him an old salty jarhead said Semper Fi! Gods speed to get him home safe after this tour.
Good Lord! We really need more effective measures to PREVENT IEDs to be emplaced in the first place… How about using more of our Sniper teams to S&D these perps? Just an idea..
Semper Fi!
Because snipers don't have any better missions to do than "anti-IED". That's a lot of damn snipers.
I saw monster IED's in Iraq starting in about 2005. Roads that we had stopped patrolling for a significant period of time allowed the insurgents to place very large IED's under the asphalt. From what I understand they would take acetylene tanks and pack them with a high explosive perhaps even a plastic explosive like pe4, and then place them in the road so that you couldn't tell it was there. I saw one abrams tank totally messed up by one of these devices. The crew survived, but it was completely disabled and it nearly lifted the engine right out of the back end. I then saw a humvee destroyed by one where the biggest piece remaining was about the size of my leg. I also saw a AAV get flipped over and cut in half by one.
I think the best strategy was mentioned in the article. Use forensics to hunt down individual bomb makers….and kill them.
And who do you think gets the "Forensics"? The guys finging and digging up the IED's and patroling towns/ shit vills
I've got to wonder how many bad guys were reading and seeing articles like this in the news and our congress and finding out just how effective their IEDs are…in the battle of American public opinion. It was like night follows day. We uparmor the humvees in a huge rush making them less stable, slower, much heavier. Its all over the news and made for great political fodder almost daily and …our enemy does get the news and adjusts. So after all the money and effort nothing was really accomplished. Well, not entirely true. Now the IEDs take out the tanks too. I don't believe that any method will be 100% effective but figuring out ways to stop the bad guys before the devices get placed should take priority.
Of course they respond. But thinking that up-armoring Humvees doesn't help our forces is being disingenuous. Yes, they'll resort to bigger bombs, but bigger bombs take more resources to create, more work to place, more time, more money, etc. If they have to use 5 times as much explosive, that's 1/5th as many bombs as they can place.
There will never be a 100% effective method of waging war. Our enemies think and plan too. They have the benefit of seeing the US military operate out in the open. They have the benefit of not caring about civilian casualties. They will be able to score cheap kills against our soldiers. Regardless of how it happens, it will happen. What we can do is use our superior training and technology to minimize those losses. If they have to plant 100 IEDs to kill a single soldier, then it's not an effective tactic.
I spent some time with combat engineers of the 504th PIR during the Persian Gulf War. While rigging a brigade ammunition supply point for a million-pound explosion, I kept noticing Iraqis on bicycles coming in and stealing the U.S.-made 155-mm howitzer rounds stored in several warehouses on site (delivery date: July, 1990!).
If we had shot 'em on site, we could have saved more than a few IED victims 12-years later. But alas, the rules of engagement wouldn't allow it. Sorry, guys.
Rules Of Engagement infuriates me. After Murtha turned on the Marines, I see the politicians make us fight with one hand tied behind our back. That is the only similarity to Vietnam. Oh of course the news media man bites dog journalism. Upside down and backwards.
i heard recently that rules of engagement in Afghanistan forbid infantry night operations. If this is true, Charlie owns the night…again!
Look at the picture if I was their plt/sgt i'd be all over them. didn't anybody ever tell these fools to spread it out. If an IED does go off they're cooked.
At least you also noticed the obvious. I was route clearance in Afghanistan last year and I tel you I'd probably make all of those Soldiers write their own obituaries because what they are doing is incredibly stupid! Not only would I not be that close together I would also NEVER EVER be that close to a vehicle!! Their leader should be shot on site for attempted murder; manslaughter at the very least!! Most IED's are placed for vehicles utilizing pressure plates. They don't go off for 300-400lbs but a vehicle will set them off every last time!! Stupid I tell ya.
You have no idea…………..
They are walking in a field of IED'S.
The Squad Leader is in charge.
You must have been in the Army.
I say you are cooked.
It’d a pity that the 20 year olds returning to a year of surgery to have the dirt dug out of them followed by a lifetime of mental disability aren’t given the same enthusiastic support. Not as glorious I guess.
itis a
The only real solution to IEDs to modify the way we operate in Iraq and Afghanistan. We're so reactionary, and the way we think is reactionary; i.e. we are looking for solutions to clear roads. Get off the damn roads! Have patrols that don't focus primarily on road networks. Have patrol bases near where Afghans actually live. This war won't be won through FOBs, it will be won through the people who have a stake in the land – the Afghans. Live, work, and fight alongside them. Build critical infrastrucure that is of interest to them. Get them to buy into what you're trying to achieve. Deny the enemy the support of the people. This is the heart of counterinsurgency.
Stay off the roads! That is the SOP for the Poles in Afghanistan. They run cross country where they can. One of their LTs had to tow a disabled vehicle back to their FOB. He decided to use the road to gat back by sunset. The LT was the one killed when his vehicle ran over the IED.
Outstanding. You know how to win wars!
Never get in a land war in Asia. –Semper Fi GySgt Allen
The men can only do so much, we need to stop using hidesite and work on forsight to get the job done, take the politics out and leave the troops fight the fight. Lets not leave this one be another vietnam. served in oif 3 retired 26yrs. keep up the good work troops!
WOW FINALLY someone with common sense why did you retire?
only sad thing is we both know politics will never leave its only going to get worse.
i have a son over in afgh.now he will be in the states in june. i;am proud of my son for what hes doing. an proud of all the other marines over there.take no names. go marines
Get out of wheeled CrapMobiles and get off the roads and trails.. 14,000 M113 APCS sit in yards here in the US alone..
This in not rocket science.. It only requires our Generals pull their heads out of the behinds and start supporting front line troops with the right equipment.
Let the Taliban drag their stuff all over the countryside trying to figure the next route we will take to get somewhere..
One approach to spotting road mines is an old archaeological method: take still photos of the same area over a limited period of time, say every three-6 hours, esp. in the early morning. Surface disturbances often not visible to the eye can be seen by various spectrumed UAVs, blimps, etc. and transmitted in real time for printing and comparison.
They could also do same site photo overlays to try and detect these changes, looking for shadows, disturbances, etc.
I know that some sniper teams are often placed in high IED areas but more are needed.
And these damned stupid Rules of Engagement must be changed now. No more crap about the enemy having to have a visible weapon on them before you can take them out. If they are where they shouldn't be, blow them away.
the answer to that is you can't to many moveing parts they farm and there homes are made of dirt and they get it right from beside the road there lazy. We do watch there just to many place to watch there and ROE do change as are enemy changes
I'm enlisting in the Navy in July. We need more 'Riverine' SWCC teams, patrolling the rivers and keeping the bomb making supplies out of the hands of those that can make the bombs. Stop it at the source. Look for me in Afghanistan in 2011!
If you really want to win the war permanently, it will require commitment to win the war at all costs, because if you lose the war, it will be lost permanently and the enemy will have been committed to winning the war at all costs.
The placement of buried IED's should be childs play if the military satelittes camera images were scanned closer. there are military satelittes that can read the logo on a golf ball on the ground from their orbit. Using the U-2 is also another option but the manpower to keep those aircraft flying can be expensive. The satellites are already on station why not use them?
Problem is Satellites don't "Stay" on station, they orbit about 17,000 mph, and only go over the same piece of real estate every few days, also Satellite orbits are very predicable in their timing, so just don't plant a bomb when they are overhead. U2's are the way to go, then call in a Predator with a Hellfire missile.
Stop the UN organizations from providing fertilizer for "humanitarian purposes".
Consider not donating to causes that claim to be for agricultural advancement.
Back in the mid 80's we supplied the Iraqi Scientific community with Class 3 pathogens for "research" purposes. I was on the receiving end of that program in 90. I am still disabled from it.
The free world supports the saying, "there's a sucker born every minute"
There are numerous ways to "see" the ground, e.g., Archeologists use machines to see if the dirt has been disturbed, how deep, what configuration, hollow spaces. There might even be good information from those studying volcanos, doesn't some of that give off heat? I know there are laser heat sensors. Why isn't that technology being researched and applied here? In LE if no one reviews video or watches what a camera shows, e.g., in Vegas, the information is useless. Work smarter, not harder– Sorry, don't know what a M113 APCS is… Good Luck, Curtis–
I BELIEVE THAT USING LOOKDOWN RADAR EVEN ON THESE POTASSIUM CLORIDE TYPE- IED'S –THAT EVEN THESE BOMBS WILL SHOW UP ON A COMPUTER SCREEN SYSTEM THAT RETAINS THE GPS POSITION OF ALL THOSE FOUND PLUS BEING ABLE TO COMPARE ALL THE NEWLY PLANTED ONES. I HAVE READ PROOF OF THIS IN AN INTERESTING DOCUMENTED STORY I READ OF A SUCCESSFUL HUNT FOR AN ANCIENT CITY IN THE SAHARRA DESRET I BELIEVE. UNABLE TO LOCATE THE A LOST ANCIENT CITY MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE- THE RESEARCHER TURNED TO ONE OF HIS CLOSE FRIENDS FOR ASSISTANCE; WHO WAS A HIGHER-UP OFFICIAL OF NASA. HE REQUESTED HIS HELP IN USING- LOOK DOWN RADAR— OFF THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION.- WHICH THEY DID; AND FOUND NOT ONLY THE CITY'S LOCATION BUT ALSO THE LOAST ANCIENT ROADS LEADING TO AND AWAY FROM IT DEEP UNDER THE SAND .
( PART 2) LOOKDOWN RADAR SYSTEM TO LOCATE IED'S USING EVEN POTASSIUM CLORATE-AMMONIA FERTERLIZERS.) IN FACT NASA WAS ABLE TO TELL HIM HE WAS GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION ALSO. HE TURNED AROUND AND TRAVELED IN THE OPPOSITE DIRCTION AND SUCCESSFULLY LOCATED THE HIDDEN LOST CITY MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE; AND VERIFIED IT AFTER DIGGING DOWN THROUGH 2 OTHER LATER CITIES BULT OVER IT ON THE SHIFTING SANDS AND FOUND THE SPECIAL PURPLE POTTERY OF THAT ERA ONLY USED IN THAT CITY. COULD ANY MILITARY PERSONEL READING THIS MESSAGE PLEASE PASS THIS COMPLETE 2 PART MESSAGE ON TO THE PENTEGON OFFICIALS FOR REVIEW AND TESTING TO PROVE IT'S WORTH–IF IT IS RESEARCHED AND DEVELOPED–IT COULD SAVE MANY OF OUR SERVICEMEN'S LIVES. THANK-YOU
Should a service member do something like this:
Pentagon-Please use your military satellites for your ongoing military campaign. You know those satellites can do really neat things. I realize you may already know this since you developed these capabilities, but someone on a message board seems to think you have forgotten. Anyway, it should be really easy. Afghanistan is not that big and there should be a few hundred thousand analysts bored out of their minds who could stare at radar imagery all day.
I think everyone is getting into this fantasy world were thongs are just like the movies. Yes all these satellites and drones are available but do you think the government waste their time on IEDS and regular grunts? It's most used for special ops and such where bigger issues may lay. Yeah it's sad to say that the ones that always die are the basic infantrymen but that's because in reality there are bigger things to worry about. And as far as these machines for detecting disturbed ground and all that, do you really think we use those? And if we did the people that know how to use them are the civilians that make them, and do you think they want to deploy to a combat country? And if yes then they would have to send someone to every patrol base all over the country. The best resource we have a infantry marines or soldiers is the raven which is a thermal scanning plan that you can hear flying above you and most impotently you EYES. There's almost no way around iEDS because as we adapt so do they