Comments on: NLOS-LS Missile Fail Could Impact Navy’s LCS http://defensetech.org/2010/03/18/nlos-ls-fail-could-impact-navys-lcs/ The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:06:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dr. Jameshttp://defensetech.org/2010/03/18/nlos-ls-fail-could-impact-navys-lcs/#comment-200814 Dr. James Sun, 16 May 2010 09:30:00 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6216#comment-200814 Want my vote? Truncate the LCS to around 20 vessels. Use them for ASW and mine warfare. Then build about two dozen frigates like German f-125's, maybe replace one of the RAM launchers with a second 5" gun, and attach them to the amphibious groups to provide fire support. Btw...give them the Oto Melara Vulcano round, and you'll have a gun with the range of the NLOS with 20m accuracy. And to fill out that sixty ship goal? I think Gates is right about this, the US Navy could use a couple dozen corvettes or gun boats to chase pirates with. Want my vote? Truncate the LCS to around 20 vessels. Use them for ASW and mine warfare. Then build about two dozen frigates like German f-125’s, maybe replace one of the RAM launchers with a second 5″ gun, and attach them to the amphibious groups to provide fire support. Btw…give them the Oto Melara Vulcano round, and you’ll have a gun with the range of the NLOS with 20m accuracy. And to fill out that sixty ship goal? I think Gates is right about this, the US Navy could use a couple dozen corvettes or gun boats to chase pirates with.

]]> By: rolandhttp://defensetech.org/2010/03/18/nlos-ls-fail-could-impact-navys-lcs/#comment-198801 roland Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:27:10 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6216#comment-198801 This should come in the ordered packagew/o the additional cost. This should come in the ordered packagew/o the additional cost.

]]> By: William Culverhttp://defensetech.org/2010/03/18/nlos-ls-fail-could-impact-navys-lcs/#comment-198588 William Culver Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:33:13 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6216#comment-198588 The NLOS PAM missile is a flawed concept, which was originally designed to use automatic optical pattern recognition for target acquisition, identification and homing is a failure against ground targets in a cluttered environment. It would work somewwhat better at targets in the ocean. Fiber guided missiles, that pay out a very thin optical fiber from a spool on the fiber allow a human operator to find, identify and decide at which point to hit the target. They are very reliable and have been available for twenty years and are used by several countries. see: EFOGM and SPIKE -LR The NLOS PAM missile is a flawed concept, which was originally designed to use automatic optical pattern recognition for target acquisition, identification and homing is a failure against ground targets in a cluttered environment. It would work somewwhat better at targets in the ocean. Fiber guided missiles, that pay out a very thin optical fiber from a spool on the fiber allow a human operator to find, identify and decide at which point to hit the target. They are very reliable and have been available for twenty years and are used by several countries. see: EFOGM and SPIKE –LR

]]> By: oneyehttp://defensetech.org/2010/03/18/nlos-ls-fail-could-impact-navys-lcs/#comment-196508 oneye Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:33:26 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6216#comment-196508 While Guided MLRS and ATACMS are fine weapon systems, they don't have the capability to engage moving targets. That capability is vital to the LCS. While Guided MLRS and ATACMS are fine weapon systems, they don’t have the capability to engage moving targets. That capability is vital to the LCS.

]]> By: Ranger-12http://defensetech.org/2010/03/18/nlos-ls-fail-could-impact-navys-lcs/#comment-196228 Ranger-12 Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:19:00 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6216#comment-196228 So let's get off out fat butts and find out what the problem is and fix it. that is all it takes. now that we have that problem solved when will the next test firing be. So let’s get off out fat butts and find out what the problem is and fix it. that is all it takes. now that we have that problem solved when will the next test firing be.

]]> By: Dark_Sentryhttp://defensetech.org/2010/03/18/nlos-ls-fail-could-impact-navys-lcs/#comment-196226 Dark_Sentry Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:08:29 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6216#comment-196226 The General Dynamics LCS was superior in design but Lockheed Martin bid lower (though their cost is greater now due to "accidental" underbidding) It was a tri-hull, making it in all likelihood faster than the Lockheed design but it isn't know or released, all classified, but in the civilian sector, tri-hulls are faster. The General Dynamics LCS was superior in design but Lockheed Martin bid lower (though their cost is greater now due to “accidental” underbidding) It was a tri-hull, making it in all likelihood faster than the Lockheed design but it isn’t know or released, all classified, but in the civilian sector, tri-hulls are faster.

]]> By: Shipbuilderhttp://defensetech.org/2010/03/18/nlos-ls-fail-could-impact-navys-lcs/#comment-196224 Shipbuilder Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:39:04 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6216#comment-196224 The GD/Austal version is still in play. GD severed their relationship with Austal in order to bid for the second round of ships, hoping to build them in Bath. The GD/Austal version is still in play. GD severed their relationship with Austal in order to bid for the second round of ships, hoping to build them in Bath.

]]> By: STemplarhttp://defensetech.org/2010/03/18/nlos-ls-fail-could-impact-navys-lcs/#comment-196214 STemplar Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:59:05 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6216#comment-196214 I'm sure they will solve NLOS's issues as well. Everyone focuses on the fast boat thing with Iran in the Persian Gulf as the benchmark for whether the class is worthwhile. I still say at the point Iran makes any stupid moves, we will cluster bomb the @#$% out of every Iranian port up and down the Persian Gulf. It will be a quick one sided fight. From what I've read the ASW package just might be very good, and we certainly need it. I’m sure they will solve NLOS’s issues as well. Everyone focuses on the fast boat thing with Iran in the Persian Gulf as the benchmark for whether the class is worthwhile. I still say at the point Iran makes any stupid moves, we will cluster bomb the @#$% out of every Iranian port up and down the Persian Gulf. It will be a quick one sided fight.

From what I’ve read the ASW package just might be very good, and we certainly need it.

]]> By: drmhttp://defensetech.org/2010/03/18/nlos-ls-fail-could-impact-navys-lcs/#comment-196213 drm Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:51:22 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6216#comment-196213 So there is your Affordable Weapon. Apparently the price drops to $50k in quantities. So there is your Affordable Weapon. Apparently the price drops to $50k in quantities.

]]> By: WillyPetehttp://defensetech.org/2010/03/18/nlos-ls-fail-could-impact-navys-lcs/#comment-196199 WillyPete Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:57:41 +0000 http://defensetech.org/?p=6216#comment-196199 Couldn't they just buy something like the Israeli Spike ER (or any equivalent system) off the rack, to replace this thing? Couldn’t they just buy something like the Israeli Spike ER (or any equivalent system) off the rack, to replace this thing?

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